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Finally went to check out Brighton Beach,New York this past weekend with my wife (it's actually Coney Island,part of Brooklyn,N.Y.).

Wow!!!Felt like I was in Moscow or someplace comprible!!!Thousands of beautiful Russian,Ukrainien,etc.ladies walking around wagging their beautiful thin barely clothed bra-less bodies...Have to say,they put American woman to "shame" appearence-wise...Maybe it's their diets or hardworking ethnics but guaranteed...Once there,you'll definitely realise you are not in just another American city but rather someplace very,very different and off the American beaten path...

Everybody there is Russian (Actually mostly Jewish/Russian...),most all there speak primarily Russian and English except for the old timers because they don't "have" to learn English to live there and all the store signs are in both Russian and English.Anything you could imagine from Russia or it's former C.I.S. parts could be found right there in the many,many stores and "outdoor bazzar-type" markets there.Brighton Beach Ave.is pretty long stretch and the whole island (Coney island) around Brighton Beach area is predominantly Russian.

Although New York has a flavor all it's own,this area is the closest thing I have ever seen to Russia right here in America.I really didn't have time to mingle and speak with the locals because I was with the wife and little 18 month old but I'd bet a night out in town for a single guy would probably prove to be quite interesting...I don't know what percentage of the people are permanent residents and what percentage are just visiting but I'd put the total russian population there at well over 100,000.I found it quite fasinating...

My wife went around the shops and markets and stocked up on buckwheat,books,Russian video-movies and some other things that are not quite so available here in USA.She said that things there definetly were not very cheap and she found everything comprible to American prices...The place is really not geared for tourism...We found only 1 old run-down expensive hotel unless you want to backtrack 20 miles or so toward the airports.However,resturants and night-clubs were plentiful and abundant for all international cultures...

All in all....Very interesting place to visit.My best guess is that an American man looking to meet a Russian/Ukrainien lady that speaks english would be very,very good there...I'd reccomend it to anyone interested in learning something about Russian people or wishing to meet one fine lady...

... in response to Brighton Beach(Coney Island)N.Y.=Lit'l R..., posted by RickM on Jul 22, 2003

Next time email me before you go.  If I am around I'll show you around etc.  I live 10 minutes from Brighton.

... in response to Re: Brighton Beach(Coney Island)N.Y.=Lit..., posted by Bobby Orr on Jul 22, 2003

Absolutely...I'll probably head down again before summer is up.Where are you College Point?

... in response to Re: Re: Brighton Beach(Coney Island)N.Y...., posted by RickM on Jul 23, 2003

Sheepshed Bay

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Brighton Beach(Coney Island)..., posted by hockeybrain on Jul 23, 2003

Wow!Very small world...I saw the signs and know exactly where that is...I'll certainly keep in touch and look forward to hooking up next time down there...Thanks!

... in response to Re: Brighton Beach(Coney Island)N.Y.=Lit..., posted by Bobby Orr on Jul 22, 2003

so what is your take on it?

... in response to Re: Re: Brighton Beach(Coney Island)N.Y...., posted by thesearch on Jul 22, 2003

Closest thing to Russia in America is right on.  My Russian teacher insists I go down there and hang out to meet Russian girls etc.  I just get so busy at work and in my life.  As far as most being Jewish - a good deal are, but a tremendous amount of Russians who were not Jewish said they were just to get out.  Another percent had jewish blood and used it to get out ie. one grandfather or great grandfather /  greatgrandmother etc.  So, the area really has a Russian flavor and not an Israeli flavor.

... in response to Brighton Beach(Coney Island)N.Y.=Lit'l R..., posted by RickM on Jul 22, 2003

and take a stroll down to the waters edge.  There are some real beauties down there, but they're outnumbered by the extra-large ones.  4 to 1.

... in response to Next time step off the boardwalk..., posted by ChrisNJ on Jul 22, 2003

Wow, do I agree!  In fact, I was there this past Sunday afternoon (we had some dinner with my ex and my stepson) at Tatiana's on the boardwalk.  Except for a few very young stunners, most of the women were fat.  Lots of really fat men too.  Even my ex-wife was making some comments about it.

Much better looking women down at Long Beach Island last week!

... in response to Re: Next time step off the boardwalk..., posted by Jersey Mike on Jul 22, 2003

n/t

... in response to I Love LBI...n/t, posted by ChrisNJ on Jul 22, 2003

Next time you guys are in LBI, drop me a line and I'll buy you a beer at Kubel's. My friends and I rent a place there every Summer.

... in response to Re: I Love LBI...n/t, posted by Mark A on Jul 22, 2003

Next time you guys are in LBI, drop me a line and I'll buy you a beer at Kubel's. My friends and I rent a place there every Summer from Memorial Day through Labor Day.

Here are some photos I took last Summer:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/marka136/lbi.html

... in response to Brighton Beach(Coney Island)N.Y.=Lit'l R..., posted by RickM on Jul 22, 2003

It is quite a place for sure!!

""My best guess is that an American man looking to meet a Russian/Ukrainien lady that speaks english would be very,very good there...I'd reccomend it to anyone interested in learning something about Russian people or wishing to meet one fine lady... """

Didn't you notice that there was NOT much of an age difference between couples, though? Under 30 year olds. The chances of some guy in his 40's hooking up with any fine ladies in their mid 20's is silm to none. Those girls already know their way around, if you know what I mean :)

... in response to Re: Brighton Beach(Coney Island)N.Y.=Lit..., posted by JR on Jul 22, 2003

Is "every" guy looking for arm-candy and a 20 year "younger" difference???I got to agree...I don't think it will happen so easily "inside" USA...

Although,I do find the domestic "family" nature and committment of a RW to far outweigh AW in general...RW are definitely family oriented people...

I'm sure there are all different types if you look...
That's why it is so important to meet them in their home enviroment and meet their families to learn what kind of upbringing they have...Probably 99% of the way they live and act reflects on what they learned growing up...I suppose that applys "even" if they are "now" living in USA.People don't change very much after they pass teens...

In fact,I even saw some "older" ladies that I would not of thought twice about...Maybe they were the part that were  new or recent arrivals ??? Slim,very shapely,made-up like they were going to an event...Very "exotic" and un-American looking...

... in response to Re: Re: Brighton Beach(Coney Island)N.Y...., posted by RickM on Jul 23, 2003

Rick,
This post is not meant as a slam on Russian women (or foreign-born women from any country for that matter), but my personal experiences and observations have been that there is often a strong change in attitudes in the women after their arrivals.  My soon-to-be ex-wife comes from a small, very conservative republic of the FSU, and comes from a very solid famiy background.  I have no doubt that she is a very good and decent person at heart.  But she has definately changed for the worse after living here - she became much more materialistic and, candidly, she went a little wild with the temptations and freedoms afforded her here.  Almost like a second adolescence.  We have reconciled into a big brother/little sister friendship type of relationship now, but I am certain that we would have been great together if we were not living in this culture.  And because I met her here, I had the opportunity to get to know her much better and longer than the typical "MOB" long-distance courtship.  (BTW, there is 13 years age difference, and my ex is quite beautiful - which was largely the source of the problems.)

I know several other men who have married foreign-born ladies and have similar experiences.  Although I continue to find the exotic beauty and cultural differences of these ladies extremely attractive, I now believe that the adjustment problems that may arise after her arrival cannot be predicted with any degree of certainty.

... in response to Re: Americanization, posted by Jersey Mike on Jul 23, 2003

So sorry to learn that things didn't work out...
Wouldn't it be nice if we "all" could predict the future...

I'm in year 2 of my marraige to former FSU gal and it is almost 15 year diffeence...
Has had it's moments...I'd be lying if I said no....But for the most part,her personal family values don't seem to allow for family failure...At least while the little one is still so young (18 months old)...Maybe that has been the common bond...Many,many,many RW post they dream about happy family life...
I wonder how many guys realise how importantly that fits into their equations ???

As for materialistic with my wife...It took about 1 year for her to begin to understand everyone here is not millionaires and that money does not grow on trees...
I said "NO" to a lot of things spending-wise right from the very beginning...Now,I tell her she knows how to spend well but I'm waiting to see her learn how to earn as well...She does not have a credit card because she has no way to earn and pay the bill...If she doesn't keep the "FREE" $30,000.00 car made available to her use clean,she will hear about it from me...I tell her if "SHE" was out working for it she'd take care of it for certain...Believe me,she ask for very little other than necessity and she is just as happy in a dollar store as she is in JC Penny...She buys only what she needs and likes having a stash for a rainy day...That seems to be one thing she learned and likes because I don't think it was a possibility in her previous life...

Finally,I gotta say this...She always knows the door swings both-ways for "both" of us...We get out of this marraige what we put into it...I think I'd survive starting over again a hell of a lot easier than she would...Hopefully,it will never come to that...She takes good care of her self and our love seems to be growing...If anything,it would be ME with my American born attitude of "nothing is never good enough"...The all American disease....

... in response to Re: Brighton Beach(Coney Island)N.Y.=Lit..., posted by JR on Jul 22, 2003

If you read re-read your post you have to ask -- well that being the case relative to age difference, how many of these women who come over here on the ticket of an older man are going to someday look around and wonder why they are with an old fart when other women less attractive then they are with handsome young prosperous guys?

... in response to Re: Re: Brighton Beach(Coney Island)N.Y...., posted by thesearch on Jul 22, 2003

Doc, you are 100% correct.

I just didn't want to start a flame thread again. I tried to say in a nice way what I was really thinking. "the only way some of you old farts are going to get a fine looking mid 20's year old is to go overseas an prey on them, not going to happen here"

... in response to Re: Brighton Beach(Coney Island)N.Y.=Lit..., posted by JR on Jul 22, 2003

to support this, I would venture to say that MOST of them are already AMERICANIZED.  It only takes a year in most cases.

But I'll try anyway.  It's less than 30 miles for me.

... in response to Although I have nothing scientific..., posted by ChrisNJ on Jul 22, 2003

Gee...
Think about it...
Could "YOU" ever become Russianized or Ukrainized ???
I think some humanistic instincs of these ladies are developed over 16 or perhaps 20 years of their lives...

Sure...Some things will change but I don't think much will over-all.Try putting the shoe on the other foot...What's the old saying ???Can't teach an old dog new tricks ???Think about it...