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Title: Other Board Challenge Post by: Bobby Orr on April 29, 2003, 04:00:00 AM I frequently read and post on another FSU board. That particular board is run differently than this board. The format is different. Many of the posters are the same for both boards. Anyway, the guy who runs the other board gave a poster whom I know gives credible information on this board a challenge - the next thing you know there was some support for the individual who regularly posts on this board. I thought, hmm.... this is interesting, there is alot of support for the individual who had the challenge thrown at him.......lets see how he responds. What happened? The threads were deleted, no response ever occurred. The next thing I know, I heard the guy who regularly posts on this board ran from the challenge. I would like to know what the response would have been? Maybe that individual could respond on this board???
Title: Re: Other Board Challenge Post by: Patrick on May 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Other Board Challenge, posted by Bobby Orr on Apr 29, 2003
Spencer from rwguide.com has registered and can rebut any accusations if he wishes. I've also removed rwguide.com from the spam list so the URL may be posted. It was originally placed there soon after they started up when somebody used this board to recruit for the new one. I prefer to keep forum squabbles contained to the forum they originate on, but since there seems to be accusations flying against Spencer, I'll make an acception and allow at least some dialogue as long as things don't get out of hand. Title: Re: Re: Other Board Challenge Post by: Spencer on May 03, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Other Board Challenge, posted by Patrick on May 2, 2003
I appreciate the opportunity to post here. Hopefully this situation is cleared up, but in the event it persists, I will make a detailed post regarding the events surrounding it. I will also send you traffic through my site in the form of link placements, as my appreciation for the removal of the URL block. Best Regards, Spencer Title: Sad to see this stuff continue... Post by: squirecam on May 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Other Board Challenge, posted by Bobby Orr on Apr 29, 2003
Sadly, this kind of stuff never ceases on this board. There is no "protection" of any agency on the RWG. And those posters who frequent the board know this. I myself have started and continued criticisms of these so called protected agencies, such as LTP. Any assertion to the contrary is clearly not true. And it is sad that you Jack are promoting this. You and I have always had a decent relationship in the past, and I have had no problem recommending your agency to RWG posters. I now wonder whether I should reconsider that recommendation, considering that in bashing RWG and the moderators of RWG, you are bashing me. And I dont appreciate it. Squirecam Title: And you were expecting...? Post by: MarkInTx on May 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Sad to see this stuff continue..., posted by squirecam on May 1, 2003
Hey Squirecam, I appreciate your post, and sentiments, but you are wasting your time. P-L is Jack Bragg's playground, and a marketing tool for FirstDream. Everyone knows that. I don't know why... but it is undeniably true. Sadly, he can say and do whatever he wants here. There are some good guys on here. There is some good advice given. But over all, the board is tainted, and has been for some time... When certain banned people are allowed back (multiple times) while others are not... when one agency is allowed to pimp his services, while all others are run off... when despicable personal attacks against women are watched mutely by the masses... you have to realize that you are not posting in a fair forum. And any attempt to bring any sense of fairness is wasted here... Title: Mute Masses are watched mutely by the masses are watched mutely by the masses Post by: Scaught on May 03, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to And you were expecting...?, posted by MarkInTx on May 2, 2003
Hi Mark: You wrote: "...despicable personal attacks against women I think this must be about the thing between you and LP about whether he met your wife or not. I see you still feel bad about this regarding people who didn't get involved. Maybe I am speaking for some of us when I say that (1) we didn't like reading any of this, (2) it seemed like you two could have written about this privately if you had wanted to, and (3) that how can we take sides when we had no involvement? How do I know if he met your wife? I wish it could have been handled privately and/or not brought up by LP in the first place. Title: Re: Mute Masses are watched mutely by the masses are watched mutely by the masses Post by: MarkInTx on May 10, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Mute Masses are watched mutely by the m..., posted by Scaught on May 3, 2003
You know what... I agree with practically everything you said, Scaught. Except... when a man calls a woman a c*nt... I think common decency should at least call for some sort of protest... don't you? But, other than that, I completely agree... Hope things are going well with you... Title: Re: Are watched mutely by the masses Post by: Scaught on May 11, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Mute Masses are watched mutely by t..., posted by MarkInTx on May 10, 2003
Hello Mark: I hope things are going great for you and your wife. I missed the swear word. That kind of language clearly should never have been used. I hope he apologized for that. My sitcheeashun is that our 129f has been approved and we are waiting for Warsaw to handle her of-169 and schedule a medical exam, then an interview. I hope it won't take more than three months because she'd like to study at the local college, and they start up around August 20th. Thank you for your kind wishes! Title: Lol, to paraphrase: Post by: LP on May 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to And you were expecting...?, posted by MarkInTx on May 2, 2003
..."that was no lady, that was your wife." Undeniably true? Thats pretty funny, coming from the master of deniability himself. Title: Helloooooooooooooooo Patrick Post by: Jack on May 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to And you were expecting...?, posted by MarkInTx on May 2, 2003
Patrick, I hope you will reinforce your previous warning given to myself and xxxxxxxxxxx. I have not replied to or mentioned dickhead by name (ooppps, guess I just did). He has continued too, and has on many occassions, violated your warning. This is what you told the board and I on January 17th,..... ************************************************************ Jack and MarkInTx warning The next one of you to reply to the other, or mention the other in any post will be banned for a week.
Patrick I am sure I am speaking for many, certainly for myself, when I ask you to please keep this warning and condition in effect. As you can probably tell a majority of his contributions are negative in nature to the board and many of it's particapants. I am sure you have noticed how peaceful and polite the board has become Patrick when a certain instigator does not give us his daily dose of wisdom that changes weekly. Talk about newby's being confused, not wanting to post! I am sure many newby's do not know what to think when they see an individual who is Planet Love's second all time leading poster one day advise the board, and I quote " Believe in true love -- be careful of who you marry -- love her like it's never going to end AND GET A PRENUP SIGNED!!!!". He strongly advises everyone to get a pre-nuptial, except when it comes to him! Or how one week this individual advises that a person must write many, visit many to be successful and then after writing one, visiting one and marrying one, now this is without doubt the most successful way of doing things. How he threatens that once after his bride get's to America he will never post anymore in hopes people will beg him to stay (and no one does) and than does quite the opposite by posting even more, which wouldn't be so bad except for the constant flip-flop of advice and opinions and mis-stating of facts and statistics which do not exist in his hopes of proving his method the best way. How he advises newby's that, and I quote " I know there has been much discussion on whether you should expect sex when going to visit your FSU girlfriend. I would say that A) a true gentleman never expects sex – no matter what continent he is on" and then loads up on viagra himself, wonder why!!!! And as far as how long a guy should wait until getting married during the 90 day K-1 period, and again I quote on 12-05-01 " In other words... use the three months to really decide if you BOTH will be happy here, together" and on 11-23-01 "Three months isn't very long, as you said Tootsie. And yet, many people don't even bother using the three months they are given." And then marries with-in the first 10 days himself!!! Come on, when can anyone take this guys advice when he does not even practice what he preaches? Can you say 'clueless'? It seems almost all the advice he gives turns out just the opposite for him. Don't have sex, get to know the woman before marriage, write many ladies-visit many, only meet nice women, etc One of the few things boy blunder has ever said that makes any sense was on 10-18-02 when he said the following " I mention these because it has made me face one fact I would rather ignore: The Internet is a good source for information... but it is an equally good source for mis-information." Yes, I think we can all agree with that. And look at the source of the greatest mis-information. Title: Wake up and smell the coffee! Post by: Bobby Orr on May 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Sad to see this stuff continue..., posted by squirecam on May 1, 2003
You clearly are barking up the wrong tree. If I were you I would talk to Jack to learn the truth prior to making unfounded accusations. I do not believe anyone is saying anything negative about you. I respect your opinion because, like I, you have been there done that through some of the same agencies - funny that our opinions about these agencies happen to be very similar..........maybe you should just just admit that you need to get informed on this one? Title: Re: Wake up and smell the coffee! Post by: squirecam on May 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Wake up and smell the coffee!, posted by Bobby Orr on May 1, 2003
Hockey, I moderate the scams section. That's right. Me. I get a copy of each and every post to those 2 sections. If Jack had posted a scam to either of those sections, I'd know about it. And it would not have been deleted by me either. Or, I would have asked Spencer why the posts were deleted. So either he never posted them, or they were not posted in the scams section, because they certainly were not deleted under my watch. Squirecam Title: As if sections are orderly! Post by: Bobby Orr on May 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Wake up and smell the coffee!, posted by squirecam on May 2, 2003
Do you really think every section sticks to the original topic - or do you think it is possible that a thread may change direction somewhere after it started. I know that threads change, as do you if you think about it. So......talk with Jack to find out the truth. You are starting to make me laugh because you are revealing how unimformed you are on this topic. Title: Why not post the response for him. Post by: Bobby Orr on May 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to As if sections are orderly!, posted by Bobby Orr on May 2, 2003
I think it would be nice if you retreive his response for him and post it directly on your "scam" section. What will you do after it is yanked within six hours?? Title: I know! Post by: Jack on April 29, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Other Board Challenge, posted by Bobby Orr on Apr 29, 2003
I know who you are talking about Bobby Orr! Spencer wrote me last week, asked if I would like to come onto his board and prove my statements I had made to Burke on a Planet Love post earlier during the week. Spencer said he would start a new thread titled Jack Bragg and he would allow me to reply. Well, what really happened was Spencer started a thread about me, starting ranting and raving, making several slanderous and erroneous remarks and made the following statement,...."Jack, I invite you to come on here and make good with 'proof' on your accusations." Ok, great, no problem. So I write a response proving my remarks to Burke, I go to sign in on the SRG (Spencer Russian Guide, formerly RWG) and am restricted from posting. I write Spencer an e-mail last Friday and told him I am restricted from posting my reply on the SRG. As of today, some 5 days later, no reply from Spencer. Today, when he was asked about Jack's response to his earlier tirade, he simply replied Jack had nothing to say. He is misleading the poster he was replying to as well as the other members of the SRG. Jack does have something to say, would like to respond to Spencer's post, but is unable too. I think Spencer changed his mind Bobby Orr. Hopefully Spencer will honor his earlier public invitation. Just as Spencer has the respect not to air his dirty laundry on Patrick's superb Russian discussion board, I also respect's Patrick's board and would rather respond to Spencer directly on the SRG. Title: Bobby, Jack & MarkinTk: Post by: BURKE89 on May 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to I know!, posted by Jack on Apr 29, 2003
Would either of you be so kind, as to give me the essence of Spencer's comments on the subject? If only, to keep 'hip' on the subject! A simple man... who hasn't the time to log on. *smile* Title: Re: Bobby, Jack & MarkinTk: Post by: MarkInTx on May 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Bobby, Jack & MarkinTk:, posted by BURKE89 on May 1, 2003
I'd be happy to... but I am trying to adhere to Patrick's request that things from other boards not be posted here. Drop me an email, and I will send you Spencer's rather long and rather impressive letter which details the situation with clarity and which leaves little room for argument (which is why there was none)... You really do need to get an account there, Burke... I'm sure you'll like it. (Many have departed here in favor of it...) The posters are more civil, no one gets away with "spin" and the information given seems to be a lot more useful... IMHO... Title: Grow Up Mark - AND . . . Post by: Dan on May 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Bobby, Jack & MarkinTk:, posted by MarkInTx on May 2, 2003
Stay over on that other board that you've grown so fond of. Why are you here now? Recruiting? - Dan Title: Re: Grow Up Mark - AND . . . Post by: MarkInTx on May 10, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Grow Up Mark - AND . . ., posted by Dan on May 2, 2003
Nope... not recruiting. I didn't start the thread, Dan... Merely setting the record straight when I saw "Spin and Slander" at work again. Title: Re: Bobby, Jack Post by: Jack on May 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Bobby, Jack & MarkinTk:, posted by BURKE89 on May 1, 2003
Burke, out of respect of Patricks board I think dirty laundry from elsewhere should not clutter his public forum. I am writing a response to Spencer and will send you a copy of my reply to your e-mail. Title: SRG, good one. Post by: Mr Robert on April 30, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to I know!, posted by Jack on Apr 29, 2003
Jack, I think you hit the nail on the head, the Spencer Russian Guide, very good :) Most the regular posters on 'SPG' know what's going on. It's the new posters and newby's who do not understand what is really happening. Whenever something negative is said of any of the paying sponsor's, the negative remarks are quickly removed. When Spencer is questioned about the removal it is because of a recent upgrade change or the original poster decided to delete it. Title: Re: SRG, good one. Post by: squirecam on May 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to SRG, good one., posted by Mr Robert on Apr 30, 2003
Mr. Robert, I see you joined this fine forum in April 2003. So, obviously, you have been around so long that you know all about RWG, dont you? Please, tell me what name you post under at RWG, and when exactly you joined. Was it, pray tell, in April of 2003??? It is this nonsense that is not allowed on RWG. Likely, you have never been there and thus do not know how much valuable informaation there is there. You are right though. "Most the regular posters on 'RWG' do know what's going on." Unlike you. Squirecam Title: Thank God! Post by: MarkInTx on May 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to SRG, good one., posted by Mr Robert on Apr 30, 2003
Yes... thank God we have Landscaper -- er, I mean Jack -- to lead the way in showing us integrity and honesty! The last true crusader left to protect us all from dishonest agencies! What a guy! Title: Why is your every appearance here a negative Mark? Post by: Yeahbaby on May 03, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Thank God!, posted by MarkInTx on May 1, 2003
The only time I ever see you post here now is to take a shot at Jack or someone else here and to say that this other board is so superior. I am assuming that it is because of this Spencers heavy-handed censoring that you must come here to vent. He rides that board like a dictator in my opinion. If anyone so much as sneezes, they find that their privileges have disappeared along with every post they ever made! There is rarely any rebuttal, argument or basis for explanation, they are just gone. Patrick here uses much less censorship and the people here like it. People can actually have conversations here and disagreement without waking up to find that they have been removed from the board for it! And I would have to agree with Dan, that since your departure, things have been about 98% more civil, calm and relaxed. Why the need to come back here and start the garbage again? If you are so happy in sugarland, why the continual need to keep coming back to ding people? Why not just move on with your life and new board and be done with it? Later, Title: Re: Why is your every appearance here a negative Mark? Post by: MarkInTx on May 10, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Why is your every appearance here a nega..., posted by Yeahbaby on May 3, 2003
Hmmm... why wouldn't I want to post good things... like stories of my wife, and our great life experiences here... Wow... gee... I wonder... After my wife was called a b**tch, wh**e, and even a c*nt... after we faced threats (real and imagined) and had men trying to find her email address so they could flood her with hate mail... Wonder why I don't post "good" things any more? The good things that happen in my life no one on here really wants to hear... and you know that. There are a lot of guys hoping that my wife leaves me, and takes me for everything. (Sorry, btw, things are better now than ever...) As for the "constant negative" aspects of my posts... I really was just responding to what I saw as an unfair and untruthful shot at Spencer. BTW, I would similarly defend Patrick if someone on RWG took a shot at him. So... you see my defense as negative, but the accusation was...? Also interesting that you complain about censorship on RWG... were *you* ever censored there? It seemed to me that everyone let you correct some slander aimed at you, and that you were always treated fairly... Just from what I read... Title: Re: Re: Why is your every appearance here a negative Mark? Post by: Yeahbaby on May 10, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Why is your every appearance here a ..., posted by MarkInTx on May 10, 2003
Let's be just a little logical here- If I were on a board and my wife were called all these names (I sure didn't see any of the names you mention) I would have to ask myself, "is this the place I really want to spend my time"? It doesn't matter if it is right or wrong, I just wouldn't want to be there. If nobody wants to "hear the good things in your life", I guess you would have to ask yourself why? I always see people here happy for others, congratulating others etc.. Why would they not be so quick to do so with you Mark? You might want to ask yourself that question.. Regarding how I as treated- I went there to defend myself from someone who claimed to be me. I was banned by Spencer before I even got there because "he didn't want any trouble" LOL! I finally got permission to post and then my thread was quickly put in some obscure area nobody visits in about one day! And there have been many others here who have spoken of worse experiences there through the heavy handed censoring. Do I care? Not really, I just don't go there because I don't like it. I don't like the censoring, I think the knowledge base here is superior and I like the format here, the way the continual thread works instead of posting topics etc.. I like to see all the responses at once. Oscar Title: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... Post by: BURKE89 on May 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Why is your every appearance her..., posted by Yeahbaby on May 10, 2003
Despite all, you just lost that one: 116 to 84. Are you banned, Oscar? Mark was, rather, fair on that issue; you, however, were not.
V. Title: Re: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... Post by: Yeahbaby on May 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....., posted by BURKE89 on May 14, 2003
Sorry Burke, but more than a few here have felt Mark comes here only to take shots at people. That's what I feel as well so I said as much. I came in on the middle of this debate but I don't see you dinging anyone else for the same comments... No, I am not banned anywhere. I changed my email so I thought I had to change handles as well.. Oscar Title: Re: Thank G*d! Post by: NW Jim on May 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Thank God!, posted by MarkInTx on May 1, 2003
Suggest you pull that log out of your own eye and start practicing what you claim to believe. Forgiveness as I recall is one of the central tenets of Christianity. Since your wife is a recent arrival I'm sure you and she have many insights and experiences that you be helpful for other guys who will be going through the transition. Let's keep it positive. Title: What a SHAMEFUL Waste of Energy . . . Post by: Dan on May 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Thank God!, posted by MarkInTx on May 1, 2003
Haven't you got anything at all better to do than to visit here and try to cause rancor? Mark, you are a talented guy - with far too much to offer to persist in this childish behavior. Grow up. - Dan Title: Hellooooooooooooo Patrick! Post by: Jack on May 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to What a SHAMEFUL Waste of Energy . . ., posted by Dan on May 1, 2003
Patrick, I hope you will reinforce your previous warning given to myself and xxxxxxxxxxx. I have not replied to or mentioned dickhead by name (ooppps, guess I just did). He has continued too, and has on many occassions, violated your warning. This is what you told the board and I on January 17th,..... ************************************************************ Jack and MarkInTx warning The next one of you to reply to the other, or mention the other in any post will be banned for a week.
Patrick I am sure I am speaking for many, certainly for myself, when I ask you to please keep this warning and condition in effect. As you can probably tell his only contributions to our board is one of dissention. I am sure you have noticed how peaceful and polite the board has become Patrick when a certain instigator does not give us his daily dose of wisdom that changes weekly. Talk about newby's being confused, not wanting to post! I am sure many newby's do not know what to think when they see an individual who is Planet Love's second all time leading poster one day advise the board, and I quote " Believe in true love -- be careful of who you marry -- love her like it's never going to end AND GET A PRENUP SIGNED!!!!". He strongly advises everyone to get a pre-nuptial, except when it comes to him! Or how one week this individual advises that a person must write many, visit many to be successful and then after writing one, visiting one and marrying one, now this is without doubt the most successful way of doing things. How he threatens that once after his bride get's to America he will never post anymore in hopes people will beg him to stay (and no one does) and than does quite the opposite by posting even more, which wouldn't be so bad except for the constant flip-flop of advice and opinions and mis-stating of facts and statistics which do not exist in his hopes of proving his method the best way. How he advises newby's that, and I quote " I know there has been much discussion on whether you should expect sex when going to visit your FSU girlfriend. I would say that A) a true gentleman never expects sex – no matter what continent he is on" and then loads up on viagra himself, wonder why!!!! And as far as how long a guy should wait until getting married during the 90 day K-1 period, and again I quote on 12-05-01 " In other words... use the three months to really decide if you BOTH will be happy here, together" and on 11-23-01 "Three months isn't very long, as you said Tootsie. And yet, many people don't even bother using the three months they are given." And then marries with-in the first 10 days himself!!! Come on, when can anyone take this guys advice when he does not even practice what he preaches? Can you say 'clueless'? One of the few things boy blunder has ever said that makes any sense was on 10-18-02 when he said the following " I mention these because it has made me face one fact I would rather ignore: The Internet is a good source for information... but it is an equally good source for mis-information." Yes, I think we can all agree with that. And look at the source of the greatest mis-information. Title: (*/*) Post by: Jack on April 30, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to SRG, good one., posted by Mr Robert on Apr 30, 2003
Mr. Robert, I can assure you that the post's I made on the SRG board detailing scams we had encountered were not removed by me! Scams reported by agencies who are not advertisors remain, they are no problem. Just scams that are reported by the advertisors, and I will only speak in my case here, no one else's, but the scams I reported which were committed by the monthly paying advertisors of the SRG were, for some reason, deleted. In Patrick's case I think he runs his boards with the thought of his boards being helpful, to offer good advice and to warn others, especially newby's, about suspect and scam agencies. To shield from public view, to purposely not disclose scams or allow for the discussion of scam activites by certain agencies because of a vested interest is just wrong. |