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Title: Francois Voltaire Post by: Cold Warrior on March 18, 2003, 05:00:00 AM The reason for a kinder, gentler board is the observance of the maxim by Voltaire.
Francois Voltaire Title: Re: Francois Voltaire Post by: micha1 on March 19, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Francois Voltaire, posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 18, 2003
Yes Voltaire was really something in his time and would still be today. Mainly because he led an anti-clerical bourgeois group. In his times, you did need "family jewels" to do this. Title: Francois M. A. Voltaire's 'maxims' held... Post by: BURKE89 on March 19, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Francois Voltaire, posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 18, 2003
[This message has been edited by BURKE89] little sway, unless: Frenchmen, who held property, in 1789, deserved to die. He certainly inspired... well, a different vision in '89, than our vision - in '76. Your "Chilean" comments cleared all doubt upon: which side of the "cold-war" you were on. So, march on... Title: To be or not be Post by: Cold Warrior on March 19, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Francois M. A. Voltaire's 'maxims' held..., posted by BURKE89 on Mar 19, 2003
[This message has been edited by Cold Warrior] Truth is I am on standby for the Gulf,expecting to be flown over anytime. Philosophical and political rhetoric means little to me when I could be coming back in a body bag. I'm no hero and when the fighting starts 99% of us will be shaking like leaves inspite of our firepower. The soldier who says he has no fear is either reckless or a liar. The brave is a man who inspite of his fear, stands and fights, the coward turns and run. Title: You missed the... Post by: BURKE89 on March 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to To be or not be, posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 19, 2003
point, however (I stand by our soldiers -yourself included), I was referring to: "Chile in '73," and your inference to the "dictator." Yes, evil Augusto (who, btw, saved the finest country in our southern hemisphere - from a complete Communist assault/destruction). History, 'tis all, Vaughn Title: Re: You missed the... Post by: Cold Warrior on March 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to You missed the..., posted by BURKE89 on Mar 21, 2003
Burke, about Chile, I am totally against communism and against Fidel Castro’s attempt during the past 40 years to export his revolution. Even though I supported the US backed attempts to restore democracy in S.America e.g. Nicaragua and Panama. I cannot condone Pinochet actions in Chile nor those of the Argentinean Military. What perhaps began as a justified fight against communism soon detiorated into using the same means as their enemies. I am talking about indiscriminate arrests, torture, murder, desaparecidos and basically a totalitarian state. Precisely the things we were trying to prevent in the first case. During the Cold war the US foreign policy was to stop communism at all cost. This gave us some unlikely ‘allies’ like Suharto of Indonesia, the Shah of Iran etc, we turned a blind eye to these despots. Much of the anti –Americanism around the world today is partially the result of this action. How can we justify ourselves when our ‘allies’ act worse than our enemies?
Title: Keep safe, C.W. Post by: BURKE89 on March 22, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: You missed the..., posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 21, 2003
Honesty counts! Perhaps, we will have to agree to disagree. At least, in regard to post '73 Chile. You're correct on the blind despot angle, however (people around the world hate us, why?). My anti-communism has been tempered by the betrayl of former allies: Taiwan, S.A., Chile.. (the talented lads). I can only draw conclusions from my own experiences in S.A. & Chile -in the mid to late 80's; well-governed (few machine-guns on the steet), stuningly beautiful, clean, safe, prosperous, pristine lands... to '93 in S.A.. Therefore, I saw a very different world, than the '60 Minutes' version Americans are accustomed to. Head-up Patriot- (Odd factoid: General Lebed's (Russian patriot,IMHO) Western favorite - prior to his 'helicopter death.' Well, it was Augusto Pino... PS. Don't look over Pinochet's recent treatment in Europe; at least, in comparison to the 'martyr's' (Allende) complete destruction of his own 'Soviet' nation (When the military finally acted... Chile was down to three days of food - subsistence). Well, I was 9 at the time, but I don't recall the CBS story... of the Chillean middle-class hunger/murder lust, that the 'martyr' - slid by the censors. Funny thing... FOX/Murdoch never speak of such... matters. America First- Once again: Keep safe! Vaughn Title: Re: Glad to hear you're still alive and kickin... Post by: Alfred on March 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: You missed the..., posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 21, 2003
We will be thinking about you and hoping for the best. Title: Re: To be or not be Post by: Zink on March 19, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to To be or not be, posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 19, 2003
I've got a hunch that you're more than a pfc. Take care of yourself over there. And even more importantly take care of the boys under you. What they need now is an officer that will fight smart and do his best for them. Title: Re: To be or not be Post by: don1 on March 19, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to To be or not be, posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 19, 2003
CW , Keep your head down and watch your six . Be careful . You're in our thoughts . Godspeed and God bless . Don Title: Re: To be or not be Post by: williethesheik on March 19, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to To be or not be, posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 19, 2003
Coldwarrior be safe , be sound, be alert, it will keep you alive. At least they are letting you guys win. in 70 we didn't have that luxury In our prayers Bill Title: To Be Post by: WmGo on March 19, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to To be or not be, posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 19, 2003
ColdBro, I am glad you shared that. Now I know to be praying for your safey. And I will. Be strong. Be brave. God bless and Godspeed. John 3:16 WmGO Title: Thank Guys.... Post by: Cold Warrior on March 19, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to To be or not be, posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 19, 2003
[This message has been edited by Cold Warrior] Just remember the 250,000 guys and gals over there. I heading out, keep glued to your TV tonight around 1:00am GMT. Like my grandfather used to say in WW2 - Praise GOD and pass the ammo. Title: Re: To be or not be Post by: CS767 on March 19, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to To be or not be, posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 19, 2003
Thanks for being there for me and countless others.I will say a prayer for your well being also.My freedom directly relates to what you are doing.I support you and your service to our country.Thank you! cs Title: Re: To be or not be Post by: DanM on March 19, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to To be or not be, posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 19, 2003
You will be in all of our thoughts. Like Chris said, thank you. You have my deepest respect and appreciation. Title: THANK YOU!!! Post by: ChrisNJ on March 19, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to To be or not be, posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 19, 2003
I really can't thank you enough for your service to our country. Keep your head down and remember your training. Take Care, Title: Re: To be or not be Post by: micha1 on March 19, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to To be or not be, posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 19, 2003
This morning, it was laughing, because of LP's post "In what", then you brought me back to realities with your post. I can't say to you that I am taking the rosary and will pray for you, but if you do go, please trust that will all of whatever is good in me, I will hope that you come back safely and have a chance to follow your dreams, while having a good trip doing it. Title: Hmmmmm - Well, It Remains That SOMEONE(s) . . . Post by: Dan on March 18, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Francois Voltaire, posted by Cold Warrior on Mar 18, 2003
Who was/were present here a few short weeks ago is/are now absent - and the board has taken on a noticably more valuable and civil tone. I doubt it's a coincidence. FWIW - Dan |