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Hi.  I had dinner with the American Ambassador (Ukraine) and some peace core volunteers recently and the topic of "Bride Hunters" came up and what was interesting was that the Ambassador made specific mention of Jack Bragg.  It seems that they receive many complaints about the dating agencies in general and Jack Bragg in particular.

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

"Currently living n Ukraine. Have been here now since May 2001. Love Ukrainian Women .. they are great but there is a lot of false statements out there and many if not all the dating agencies are ripping off their clients"

I have not read any of the many responses below but will jump in with my response with the understanding that it may be redundant.

Above in quotes is your description of your involvement in your profile per your words. You already have your opinion about the industry. There is nothing wrong with that. We all know that there are agencies that are not ethical.

However, humans once they have an idea about something can be prone to hearing mainly information that supports their claim. I am not saying you are doing this. One simply looks to what one has seen in general in the world we live in to try and get an idea about what an individual and their actions mean.

In making such a statement about someone you are by responsibility of your action now obligated to provide more information to support this or you should not have said anything.

This is why many decide to be silent as they do not want to be bothered with the responsibility of having to do this.

So, I either complement you or I say shame on you based upon what you do next here.

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

tell us more about the dinner?  Are you "buds"?

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

...or is it a classified secret?

... in response to Once again...the name of the American am..., posted by tfcrew on Mar 17, 2003

actually, the name of the US Ambassador to Ukraine is such a highly classified piece of information, that it is hidden in public view on the internet: http://www.usemb.kiev.ua/amb_eng.html Obviously, Anton can't be bothered to put easily obtainable facts into his posts.

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

Hey Antonua, hope you will stay around awhile. You could probably help a lot of guys coming to Kharkov. You could be a great asset to many here with your help and experience. I think I like you already. You know the "right" people!

In my defense Antonua, if I may make a few comments.

{Let's see here, you say}.......Currently living n Ukraine. Have been here now since May 2001 and you say you have lived in Ukraine now for around 18 months . {....Well, which is it, 22 months or 18 months?}

Had dinner with some peace core volunteers recently and the topic of "Bride Hunters" came up ........{DAMN! I keep trying to tell those yo-yo's it's "peace corp", not "piece corp"!}

the American Ambassador made specific mention of Jack Bragg......... {What! No Sadam Hussian!,...No Bin Ladin? ...No cow claire!}

the Ambassador it seems receives many complaints about the dating agencies in general and Jack Bragg in particular............ {Oh Yea, these dating agencies rank  right up there with the selling of F-16's, un-tapped oil reserves and Iraq}

I am just conveying what was less then 5 minutes of conversation...(...HEY, no mention of Sadam or Ladin and I ONLY GET 5 MINUTES!!)

Huys... ... The subject of Americans in Ukraine came up and apart from NGO's, Government and corporate executives the only tousits that visit Ukraine were either ex-pats paying a return visit, religous freaks or "bride hunters".....{OK, This I take exception too! Your putting religious freaks in front of bride hunters!}......{ and oh yea, guys is spelled with a "g", not an "h"}.

We discussed the impact of the the dating agencies, the lies and deceit. This comes as no surprise. I understand that the embassy is looking at tightening up proceedures and will undertake a joint review of all dating agencies working in and out of Ukraine......{uh-oh, if this is true it might be bad news for the scam agencies!}

......{Poka to ya'll also Antonua}

... in response to (*/*), posted by Jack on Mar 16, 2003

..but maybe there is a "Piece Core" !!?
A new elite fraternity of macho men banqueting around Europe discussing/evaluating foreign dating agencies.
;)

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

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Earlier this afternoon, I did call Jack and asked him, why he had not respond to the post,
he told me that, he was very busy today and would check on these posts later on.
Perhaps as Dan suggested it is the post of a troll,
if it is so,  it is a very cheap way to make a joke, somehow.

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

troll. I can't believe anyone fell for it.

... in response to Obvious, posted by WmGo on Mar 16, 2003

Yea, he screwed up by posting to Jacks post yesterday and waits until today to post about something that was suppose to happen recently???? Why the delay?
Mike

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

Bit short of some decent company was he?

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

Huys...  I am just conveying what was less then 5 minutes of conversation...

The subject of Americans in Ukraine came up and apart from NGO's, Government and corporate executives  the only tousits that visit Ukraine were either ex-pats paying a return visit, religous freaks or "bride hunters".

We discussed the impact of the the dating agencies, the lies and deceit.

The ambassadors advisor mentioned that they had a number of complaints, imparticular from a guy based in Australia contected with the Australian Government.

The advisor mentioned that they regually monitor this site.

This comes as no surprise..  I understand that the embassy is looking at tightening up proceedures and will undertake a joint review of all dating agencies working in and out of Ukraine.

I am just the messenger..

For those that care the web master can publish my IP address..  80.92.224.3

Poka

... in response to Re: Interesting conversation - don't sho..., posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

your statements are: thought-provoking, at the very least.

You must be an prominent Ukranian citizen to attend such functions, as you do. Please, do tell; if only, for our simple 'edification.'

Regards, 'a semi-fascinated neutral'.

... in response to Re: Interesting conversation - don't sho..., posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

nt

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

I was also there at the same table when the ambassador made these remarks. I remember there was a hush in the room as the ambassador declined his favorite champagne and his gorgeous, blue-eyed, young Ukrainian "assistant" bent over, revealing a long line of firm cleavage which probably led down close to her belly button, to pour His Ambassadorship a frosty Heineken.

Obviously admiring her god-given graces with a lingering, vertical eye-sweep, down, then up, His Ambassadorship said, "Those damn marriage agencies suck-- they really do. Let me tell you. Because of people like Jack Bragg, who is very successful in helping the fine young women of this country find happiness with foreign men-- thus helping to create a freakin' exodus of fine foxes, well, it pisses me off as there has been a sharp decline in both eye candy and hand pudding for yours truly. The sooner we shut down those bride by mail travesties, the better I say!"

There was a silence, then a few of the more inebriated started tapping their champagne glasses with their tiny sugar spoons to tinker approval. When the chiming grew louder, I felt I must join in, and did. I started playing footsy with the personal assistant, then filled out the paperwork for her visa while we fed each other dessert, and... well, one thing led to another later. I must be discreet when talking about my future wife.

So Antonua was right... the ambassador did complain about JB.

... in response to Antonua is absolutely right!!! Dream seq..., posted by Scaught on Mar 16, 2003

Someone has read way too many smut magazines! It's funny how being single and lonely can make ya have a good hand grip and have you talking like a XXX novel.
Mike

... in response to Re: Antonua is absolutely right!!! Dream..., posted by Mike on Mar 16, 2003

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Mike:

I had no idea my words would make you hard!!!

I hope you used your favorite grip-- and didn't gum up the keyboard this time!

... in response to What's a "smut" magazine and w..., posted by Scaught on Mar 16, 2003

I wasn't aware that one could gum up the keypad. (must be one of those things you learn from your mistakes) In my younger days I did clog the tub up a few times. As for your writing it did bring back old memories of being 14 and reading dirty magazines, but those days have long sense past and it takes real things to get me hard that being things like my wife, and perhaps the smell of gunpowder. As for clueless. (ha ha) Get a grip!
Mike - who always met his ladies on his own.

... in response to Antonua is absolutely right!!! Dream seq..., posted by Scaught on Mar 16, 2003

An USA ambassador would not have use the language that you describe in your post.
It is quite easy for you, Mr. Undisclose all the way, to say.....
Why, what's  your interest of stirring s**t, today.
Just remember to  to stir it, you have to stand over it
and smell it,  hence the smell of your post.

... in response to Re: Antonua is absolutely right!!! Dream..., posted by micha1 on Mar 16, 2003

lil' Micky: however, 'Scaught's' previous trip-reports... et al. Well, they mantain or, shall we say... purport a difficult concept: Honesty.

Quell the... or at least, the Allende agit-prop, eh?

Vaughn

... in response to Sorry..., posted by BURKE89 on Mar 16, 2003

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Right on brother!

... in response to Re: Antonua is absolutely right!!! Dream..., posted by micha1 on Mar 16, 2003

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He also mixed his --going to's-- with a liberal sprinkling of --gonnas-- (about a 70/30 mix) to show he hasn't yet lost touch with the people. I found this switch of linguistic patterns at first endearing, but then I couldn't help but sense a whiff of pandering calculation.

I thought you were there, too, at the audience with, as you say, "His Most High, Way Up There, Mightiest Super Human Holy of Holies, Grand Ambassador to the Place the Vast Majority of Americans Never Heard Of", Micha, but you unfortunately had gone to the toilet (agiter du meurde, no doubt, as you say) when these words were spoken.

Scaught

... in response to "... eye candy and hand pudding...&..., posted by Scaught on Mar 16, 2003

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No calculation.  You are pretty good with words behind the undisclosed.
Don't you know about projection.
In french we say,  "tu raisonnes  comme un tambour."

... in response to Re: "... eye candy and hand pudding..., posted by micha1 on Mar 16, 2003

Rat-ta-ta-tat!

... in response to Re: "... eye candy and hand pudding..., posted by micha1 on Mar 16, 2003

English must not be your native language or you would understand that Scaught is blatantly telling a joke.

... in response to Re: Re: "... eye candy and hand pud..., posted by lswote on Mar 16, 2003

Thank you Iswrote:

Micha has an excuse. The others who didn't get it-- well, you just have to wonder if they'll ever achieve their grandest and most impossible dream: To move from the cash register to the grill.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: "... eye candy and hand..., posted by Scaught on Mar 16, 2003

Thanks,  lesson learn I sincerely hope.
Perhaps the chip has fallen or will fall from my shoulder.
Things are so ambivalent at this time.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: "... eye candy and ..., posted by micha1 on Mar 16, 2003

To quote a French proverb that originated in Maine:

"Scaught should be careful when stirring bowel movements -- they might splash to and fro, and all may stink."

Some nuance may possibly be lost in my translation.

I am just p/o'ed that the guys I taught in Cambridge have such cushy jobs now (Shambassador Two You-Crane). I don't fly jets like LP. I am not a famous Globetrotter, like Meadowlark Lemon. I don't live in a cool place like Montreal, either. I don't grow delectable tomatoes in greenhouses and I can't wow you with tales of living in a trailer with my supermodel FSU wife. I'm just an average, ordinary guy hanging out here, just a lousy college professor.

Or am I actually "channeling" LP??? I'd better call Art Bell -- I don't want to talk to George Noory again. I don't know about you, but I get the jitters when he greets me by inquiring about the condition of my prostate ("Do you have urgency, hesitancy, a diminished sex drive..."). But since that's the traditional greeting of his culture, I humor him.

Hey, I love Montreal. I've been there three times. My first Ukrainian girlfriend, whom I met in the States, moved there about a year ago. It's funny that I think of her now-- when I wrote the part in the dream sequence about how the Shambassador looked his personal assistant up and down slowly, I was actually describing how one of the top linguists in the world (and very well-connected to Washington) looked her up and down, when she was with me at a party after a conference he sponsored. It looked like he was literally salivating, licking his chops at her perfect curves, blonde hair, blue eyes and perfect complexion, and readying himself to pounce upon her. I told her afterwards, and she had a good chuckle.

Mike (not Micha)-- man, I apologize if you are getting hard again. I promise to stop this sexy stuff. Remember, aim away from the keyboard. Aim   A W A Y  from the keyboard. Okay? (If not: Illegal use of the 5th appendage-- 20 yard penalty! And after your other stupid moves, I'd say you have to punt your old keyboard and get your arse down to Radio Hack for a new one.)

... in response to (Long..) "eye candy and hand puddin..., posted by Scaught on Mar 17, 2003

...nicely done. Not too shabby for a "lousy college professor." ;-)

... in response to (Long..) "eye candy and hand puddin..., posted by Scaught on Mar 17, 2003

Ya know it takes a different part of your brain to write then it does to speak. I suspect you are way over loaded on one side and have very little or nothing at all on the other. I'm thinking a guy like you would most likely spend a great deal of cash to find someone to talk a lady into your arms. Yes I'm getting hard again but it's not from your use of words but instead the hot wife I met in Russia while there on my own.(who by the way was a profesor and uses all parts of her brain)As for my aim, the only aiming I do I learned in Beirut and Grenada. I suspect you're trying to draw me into a war of words and this may be caused by sexual frustration on your part. Keep writing your words of wit with the sexual overtones, it's actually amusing, although it reaks of a mind consumed with fantasy sex and you're using this board as a release.
Mike

... in response to Re: (Long..) "eye candy and hand pu..., posted by Mike on Mar 17, 2003

Michael:

Good luck with those flashbacks and holding on to that professor.

Just so you know, all the professors I know in the FSU, bar none, think military people and police are genuine card-carry retards. I don't think so. I am just telling you what I know. That you would react as you did to something clearly a joke and done with hardly a thought or care really reveals something about yourself. Just what that is-- well, maybe you'll deal with it before it's too late. I don't want to even speculate.

As for your assessment of me, your feeble powers of perception have let you down once more. You shouldn't project your frustrated sexuality and one-dimensionality (as you write) on others.

Pining away with loneliness, and wishing I could be all I can be, like Mikey,

Scaught

P.S. We have one thing in common-- we found our women on our own. That makes us both REAL special, doesn't it? I guess because I defended Jack, you think I must be his customer. You are nothing but clueless! I hope your mother will take your computer away from you.

... in response to Re: Re: (Long..) "eye candy and han..., posted by Scaught on Mar 17, 2003

Scaught,
I saw you attack a post before scrolling down the list and realizing Jacks attacker was full of crap. I assumed you were the typicle "lets kill the guy for posting because I can" type of person, and for that reason I felt you could use a taist of the same.(this happens way too much here) I admit I was wrong, but you tagged me in 2 post that screamed for my reply. I know I could twist any post you write and push your buttons and this will never end. So I'll be one up on you by being the mature one here and drop this personal attack. As for Jack he's ok in my book, he's a good business man. What I dislike is the number of FSU women coming here using agencies and making all RW that came here with dignity look bad. These are FSU women of bad charactor and no agency can control this. How could they see what's behind the mask that only comes off much later in the game? They aren't scammers they're players! (my wife meets them all the time via the internet for example one lady wrote that her man hasn't a home yet and only makes $70,000 a year and wanted to know if she should look for something better) As for your observation of FSU professors perceptions of others, well I must have done something right?? Maybe it had something to do with her speaking with me and judging me long enough brfore sterio typing. ( a sign of wisdom I should think) Later I learned my wife regards men in the military and police there with much respect, but she's from Moscow Russia where the life is a bit more up scale and worldly. No I'm affraid if my wife and I part ways it'll be no different then any other long term relationship that got old/failed.

Mike

... in response to Re: Re: Re: (Long..) "eye candy and..., posted by Mike on Mar 17, 2003

Hi Mike:

Too bad you're taking the high road now instead of in the first place by not posting your unprovoked attack on me in the first place. But that's dihydrogen oxide under the bridge, now.

I am glad that you are happy with your wife and wish you both a lifetime of true happiness. I will try to follow in your footsteps with my own FSU professor (See? Another thing we have in common!).

Take care-- Scaught

P.S. I wrote my original message in this thread precisely BECAUSE I knew "Anton U.A." was full o' crap-- not because I didn't scroll down and didn't know. I didn't need to scroll anywhere to know. Okay...okay...  with great self-control, I do hereby close this message. Whew!!!

... in response to Re: Re: "... eye candy and hand pud..., posted by lswote on Mar 16, 2003

You are right,  my use of english is somewhat good,
to get around with.
Being french-canadian,
often I do miss the suntleties, in some phrases,
when writing, if I have the time,  when using the
dictionnary and translating what I have thought about in french.
Thanks, to have rectify me.

... in response to Antonua is absolutely right!!! Dream seq..., posted by Scaught on Mar 16, 2003

nt

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

n/t

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

the accusations happen to come from fraudulent UKRAINIAN AGENCIES!!!! Many of these Ukrainian agencies don't like getting exposed called for what they are. I had a run in with one agency in Lugansk. Being a Texan I told the manager I thought she was a scam to her face & told her this $h*T would not fly in Texas & she is lucky to be running her agency in Ukraine. Perhaps like I said if this is TRUE the complaints come from agencies who feel perhaps if they complain they can do something about it. I don't know if I'm making myself clear. I've used Jack's services before & have been 100% happy with him & his agency. I will be going back in May & will be using his agency for SOME services. I also ran an ad through his agency & am very happy with the results it has yielded. I find if EXTREMELY hard to believe the the "amabassador" would mention him by name. Perhaps some lowly desk clerk that works for the embassy or maybe a cook who uses the title to impress the gullible?

... in response to Really I if is IS true I wonder if...., posted by Frank O on Mar 16, 2003

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I have written to His Excellency,  Monsieur Carlos Pascual, the US ambassador in Ukraine,
to ask him about what is stated in the above post.
Being a career diplomat, cuban born and Harvard educated,
it would surprised me greatly that he would have said something
of the sort in public.  Most of all about a US citizen.

And who is realy Antanua,  have look at his profile?

... in response to Re: Really I if is IS true I wonder if....., posted by micha1 on Mar 16, 2003

Doesn't that strike as odd? Probably runs an agency or works for one. Perhaps Jack does not do business with his agency.

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

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Not disclosed..
The name of this "American ambassador".
Struck me funny anyway.
Maybe it was really some aid to a deputy under-assistant  ..?

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

I've always wanted to stay out of the board's politics, but this is one h*ll of an accusation.

Does the poster's IP address resolve to a ukrainian domain? I trust you guys know how to use "nslookup". If it doesn't resolve to anything, one can still make an educated guess by looking at it.

I'm sure we're all tired of politics.
id

... in response to Interesting conversation, posted by Antonua on Mar 16, 2003

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Somehow,  you have to back this up with something.
This is a hell of an accusation.
Which interest me very much.
Perhaps, I will ask the ambassador,
like writing, e-mailing him.  Thanks.

That is because your profile is much too vague.