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Title: Additional Thoughts/questions answered Post by: Watcher on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM Some of you have asked for additional information about her and our relationship. I had known her after two trips and over a year of emails and almost daily telephone calls. She spoke great English and was a physician.She also worked as a pharmacy representive.She had travelled to Europe on several occasions for the drug company she represented.She was 26 years old.No children.I would say she was attractive but not a 10.The age difference was 17 years.She did not worry about it at all. She did like nice things but could discuss that she knew she did.While she did not live in Moscow she was quite well traveled.We spent a great three weeks in Europe together.
Some thoughts from her....she would always be somewhat scornful of the western men that would try to date her on her trips and tell her that they had a few hundred dollars in their pocket.I would have to agree with her somewhat on that point.For you guys who have been to Russia lately I ask this question ...how far does $100.00 really go now.I am a businessman.Talking to her Father and his businessmen friends I understand that there is a large "grey" system of pay in Russia. If a family or person tells you that they get along on $100-150 per month think again!My question to you guys who send nothing to your woman as she is waiting for the K1..How much do you spend when you are in Russia?How far does a $100.00 really go. In my case the $230.00 sent a month meant nothing to me.Yet she did think that I was greedy when I cut it off. So it would have been better if had sent nothing. But,it perhaps to me was an experiment in her fiscal maturity. In the end I agree with much of what was written about her level of commitment.But perhaps all of us should be more realistic about the situation of our ladies that we seek. One more thought...my thanks for all of the thoughts and advice.This is the level of exchange of information that this board should always strive for.Much more interesting than reading the personal fights of children at play. Title: Re: Additional Thoughts/questions answered Post by: petem on February 13, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Additional Thoughts/questions answered, posted by Watcher on Feb 12, 2003
As one of my original requirements, aviod all doctor and lawyers from FSU and from anywhere else. They will always want, want want more more more. These are the types of women that are never satisified, never can be made happy, have too much expectations. They are to avoided all all costs, run as fast as you can. Of course if you have nothing and these women are here making big $$, go for it, you have nothing to lose. Of course these women NEVER will accept anything but whtaever they think is the best for them, so small chance you will have anything with them anyway. Studies have shown the more education a woman has the less likely she will have children and be married. Facts don't lie, look it up. Title: Re: Re: Pretty wide generalization there Post by: Jski on February 13, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Additional Thoughts/questions answer..., posted by petem on Feb 13, 2003
You make some big, sweeping statements there about occupational groups without any fact whatsoever. As always, it's not the job, or country, or anything else. It's the person! John Title: Re: Additional Thoughts/questions answered Post by: Rando on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Additional Thoughts/questions answered, posted by Watcher on Feb 12, 2003
Watcher, 2 more questions....errr 3 Why in the end did you decide to cut off the money? And....I recently settled on a three year long divorce. I got a knife, a spoon, and a fork. Thats fine though...I've started over with nothing before and I can do it again...so could you please send your monthly alotment to Randy...@...&*(*^((^% I promise I will never overdraw. Sorry just teasing. Ya big cheapo.... kidding again. Thanks for being so honest and actually answering our questions. I hope I can find a girl that knows there is a difference between having what you want, and really wanting what you have. Now whats this stuff Im picking up on about RW being bossy and complaining...etc. Dont all women do that? :-) Thanks again. Randy Title: you hit the nail on the head....... Post by: yoe on February 13, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Additional Thoughts/questions answer..., posted by Rando on Feb 12, 2003
women are women and men are men.......regardless of what anyone says. Any woman will expect a certain kind of man to pay the bills. Some women actaully pay-but this is only for a certain type of man. My wife expects me to make money-but she works also. She expects me to excel and to not be a couch potato. The RW I have seen are real beeches but most women I have met are. And all the AM I have met are suffering from some real issues-but all men are. So I believe that we all get what we deserve-eventually. I know my wife got what she deserved-ME! hahaha Joe Title: Re: Additional Thoughts/questions answered Post by: micha1 on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Additional Thoughts/questions answered, posted by Watcher on Feb 12, 2003
Listen, please, you would have sent her twenty-three hundreds, it would have been the same. This broad is an idiot with a chip on her shoulder and a spoil brat. If you had brought her to North America, she would have maxed your credit cards at the blink of eye. And try to put you in the street, the kind that elevate themselves on your back. The kind that are only happy when they have something in their mouth. You seem to be the kind of guy, who wish to go over and help, rightly so. Title: Micha......... Post by: yoe on February 13, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Additional Thoughts/questions answer..., posted by micha1 on Feb 12, 2003
I can truly appreciate your Kreskin ability to see an entire situation by one view, but most do not. We have not heard the woman's view at all. We only know the Watcher's. He seems like a nice enough guy. But like Bill and others who had a 'snag' in the fabric of love tend to scream scam or thief or some deragatory term without usu knowing the true story. Remember MarkH.......some times guys can be real animals. These long distance relationships can be very stress and fearful.......sometime these women just freak out. I know if all I had to lookm forward to in this life is every waking moment with some of the freaks I have seen in this process-I would bolt too. so please mon frere do not be so quick to judge....... Joe Title: If you must know! Post by: Watcher on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Additional Thoughts/questions answered, posted by Watcher on Feb 12, 2003
BA-UCLA MBA-UCLA Anderson School of Management Great shape. Full head of hair CEO/Owner-RE Development business 12-years Salary- low to mid six figures.Always seem to be paying to much in taxes.:( . Looking for a clever and intelligent woman to have second family with. Title: It just dawned on me Post by: thesearch on February 13, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to If you must know!, posted by Watcher on Feb 12, 2003
I Just realized that I am not sure I know what six figures really means. 1,000 to 9,000 would be four figures if this is correct, then saying one is in the six figures relative to income leaves a great range of possibilities. I am not asking about clarification concerning your income. Obviously any six figure income is pretty darn decent and quite a bit higher than the norm for income in the USA. Title: if you are pulling in 6 figures........ Post by: yoe on February 14, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to It just dawned on me, posted by thesearch on Feb 13, 2003
you are in the top 10%.......... Joe But the real troopers like me had a 6 figure drug habit at one time........now that has to be in the bottom 5%......I knew some homless dudes were were blowing $200-$500 on Rock-Crack to the layman. I was blowing in on booze, whores and powder.......not my finest moment. So for what it is worth.......a million bucks does not make ya happier. Joe Title: Re: I make 6 figures if you count the zeros after the dots :-) Post by: Jski on February 13, 2003, 05:00:00 AM Title: Just shows.... Post by: LP on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to If you must know!, posted by Watcher on Feb 12, 2003
...how all that fancy edjumacation fails when up against The POB, something she was born with. ;) Title: and further more........ Post by: yoe on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to If you must know!, posted by Watcher on Feb 12, 2003
if you are making $10k to $15k a month and you are worried that your soon to be wife is PISSED because you complain about $250 a month.........shi t I would be pissed too----wouldn't you? Tell me the truth........If you were living from pay check to paycheck and your wife to be was pulling in $10-15 thousand bones a month and living large but only offered a stipened of $230 a month........how much would you think that she loved YOU? Joe just something to think about Title: if this is true......... Post by: yoe on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to If you must know!, posted by Watcher on Feb 12, 2003
then you deserve to get left. Anyone with this type of resume and assets should not think twice bout give his, 'LOVE OF HIS LIFE' a few bones. My God Man........people spend more that this on fish tanks and fish........This is what is wrong with the process. You guys want these ultra feminine women, that will make all of the AW and AW jealous and you want this for $99.99. I tell you what........send me the $99.99, I will send you some nice porno, some panties from Walmart (I will even wear them for a day) I will write you some love letters on perfumed paper and send you a gallon of Jergins with a box of Kleenex..............that will be much more value for your money and no one gets hurt. Joe Title: Re: If you must know! Post by: RW on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to If you must know!, posted by Watcher on Feb 12, 2003
it depends on what you want - if you want equal, she would be offended by your money - and would appreciate on what you are already spending for all the travel, her papers and just her support expenses when she comes over. If you see that she is sincere and might be struggling with money, there are always other options to help financially - buy something she really needs, pay for some of the expenses, etc. For some reason, all the relationships I am aware of when the guy paid a nice "monthly allowance", ended up not working. I don't think it is $$ amount which matter, I think it is your relationship and communication which does. Guys gave you very good points, and honestly - any amount of extra income is a good support either here or in Russia. Depends on how it is used and appreciated or taken for granted. Good luck, Russian Wife Title: Re: Re: If you must know! Post by: WmGo on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: If you must know!, posted by RW on Feb 12, 2003
Thanks for the common sense post. Title: Re: Re: If you must know! Post by: Watcher on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: If you must know!, posted by RW on Feb 12, 2003
Thanks RW. It is good to hear from you.I have read your posts on this board for some time now. You advice is always well thought out and I suspect correct. Title: Re: Additional Thoughts/questions answered Post by: Charles on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Additional Thoughts/questions answered, posted by Watcher on Feb 12, 2003
I agree that the manner in which your post was presented and discussed is the kind of quality exchange of information that we would like to see more of. I agree with most of the sentiments that have already been expressed, and would add that most of the FSU women I have met, including my wife's relatives, would not be receptive to a $230/month allowance. When I went through this process several years ago I was uninitiated and offerred all kinds of money for my wife. She got right upset with me and I learned not to bring it up again unless she asked for something specific, like English lessons, visa costs, etc. That's the kind of woman you ought to be looking for next time. Best of luck. Title: this is where you guys are all goofed up....... Post by: yoe on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Additional Thoughts/questions answer..., posted by Charles on Feb 12, 2003
the RW I have met here have pushed their husbands. They were not satisfied with mediocrity. I have seen men over 50 go back to graduate school, I have seen men leave their jobs of 25 years to pursue better things. Is it risky? Hell ya but that is what this process CAN be about. My wife never asked me for a dime........but she should not have too. If I know she needs money to live better------that is the kind of man I am. I have seen men buy their wives 1/4 karat diamonds form Walmart.........hey you get what you ask for in this life. Joe ps Yes my wife is a real beatch at times but within the first year of her being here my cost has tripled..........but my income quadrupled. She will not let me accept less..........and I thank her for that. Title: lets put it this way....... Post by: yoe on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Additional Thoughts/questions answered, posted by Watcher on Feb 12, 2003
Moscow is the most expensive city in the world.......yes more than NY city. There are people in NY making $100 week. But they do not live so well. There are people making $100 a month in Moscow, again.......not living so well. I assume being 35 years old and bring over a 26 year old physician, you may have over shot. You have to realize that their highschool education is superior to our University. So I would say lower your standars, find someone your own age and some one you can relate to. This is not a slam. I would not marry a doctor and I have a extensive post graduate education. Good Luck Joe Title: lol, aparrently that.... Post by: LP on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to lets put it this way......., posted by yoe on Feb 12, 2003
......extensive post graduate education didn't include math. Or diplomacy for that matter. ;-) He may be less intelligent than her but there is no way to tell that from his schooling, only from his actions. Fwiw, the majority of FSU women I've met are none too bright, in spite of their "higher" level of education. And whats wrong with MDs? I almost married an FSU doc, one of the sweetest women I've ever known. She *was* smart but the problem was I simply couldn't handle all that sugar and spice. Title: What is sugar and spice mean to you? Post by: thesearch on February 13, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to lol, aparrently that...., posted by LP on Feb 12, 2003
I think I know what you mean but I could be wrong. Title: Hard to explain.... Post by: LP on February 13, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to What is sugar and spice mean to you?, posted by thesearch on Feb 13, 2003
.....Maybe it was too much femininity. Too romantic, too gushey, afraid of mice, that kinda thing. I need a mix between an FSU and A/W, some adventurism, independence, someone able to take the risks I do (or at least handle my taking them) without being butch at the same time. Someone with more worldly experience. Most FSU chicks have lived sheltered lives. Contrary to some, I don't want 100% control of the relationship, I don't have a need to be "the man" at all times. (They get so they expect that and it cramps my style.) So far, I've found that mix in who I have now. It's one of the advantages of semi-westernized women. Make sense? Lol...or maybe her hooters just weren't big enough, I dunno. Title: I can follow that logicn/t Post by: thesearch on February 14, 2003, 05:00:00 AM Title: Which logic?.... Post by: LP on February 14, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to I can follow that logicn/t, posted by thesearch on Feb 14, 2003
...The femininity logic or the hooters logic? ;-) Just stay with it Doc, your times comin.... Title: how do you feel about the .... Post by: yoe on February 14, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Hard to explain...., posted by LP on Feb 13, 2003
tranny trick?........makes you want to get a facial huh? hahaha--------inside joke xoxoxox Joe Title: we have already had this conversation about.... Post by: yoe on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to lol, aparrently that...., posted by LP on Feb 12, 2003
strange bedfellows.......hahaha Hey do not take it personally. I have had my share of 'ally cats'. S:OP sloopy Yoe Title: Re: lol, aparrently that..../Correction please. Post by: Watcher on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to lol, aparrently that...., posted by LP on Feb 12, 2003
Hey LP That was Yoe's math. He didnot read my original or follow-up post correctly! I noticed his mistakes,I suspect that we all did.I am just to kind to point them out. Title: I read your post correctly....... Post by: yoe on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: lol, aparrently that..../Correction ..., posted by Watcher on Feb 12, 2003
I was merely drawing a parallel. My wife still laughs when I tell her people are living on $30 a month in an FSU metropolitan area. Again I will say-if you feel that it is too much money for her-you go there for a few months on this money and see how it feels. Joe As LP said-this is only for those who have been there and ‘know’ their ladies. Not for the smucks who are in love and have not even met the broads……… Title: I know.. Post by: LP on February 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: lol, aparrently that..../Correction ..., posted by Watcher on Feb 12, 2003
..... Yoey and I have an undertsanding that neither one of us is "too kind". He'll be able to handle it. |