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Hi, I just returned from Kherson where i took a tour with "@@@@@" I had the extreme misfortune of meeting Svetlana #47960 on the Russian dreamgirls website ( I did not tour with Russian dreamgirls )
I spent the majority of the tour with Svetlana and she had me convinced she really was a nice girl and I asked her to marry me on the last day of the tour, the 27th of January, to which she said yes.

I was paying for an interpreter to translate for us every time I was with her, and didnt find out she spoke enough english to communicate to me without one until the night of my departure. In reflection I can't help but assume she wanted another person at our meetings in order not to be with me alone.


Toward the end of the evening of the 27th we were at a club, while I was away from the table , Svetlana asked my interpreter to go home, I thought it was because she wanted to spend some time with me alone, but it turns out she wanted to ask me for money. She first asked me in almost perfect english if I liked her body, to which I replied I didn't know because she always wore conservative clothes.  It didnt dawn on me at that time, but now I'm wondering if perhaps she was going to offer herself to me for money.. Im not sure, but  I believe that's a possibility.  After that she  said she needed a computer so she could communicate with me directly instead of through the agency, that she could buy one for 500 to 1,000 dollars.  She then asked me if I had money with me now , I told her that I couldn't get the money, that it was in the bank not in my pocket, very soon after that we left the club. I don't remember if it's because it was closing or if she suggested we leave.

On a side note, I couldn't help but notice when the waiter came to our table that Svetlana was very friendly to him, keeping him at the table talking for long periods of time when he came to serve food or drink.  I was away from the table for a few minutes and came back to find her over by the bar talking with him again which I thought was a little strange

When we left the club, Svetlana had no time to spend with me.

Beamish

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

................ diving back into that *shark pool*, take the smart advice of one RW who posted here some time back, here it is;

"YOU had better learn from everyone elses mistakes first, because you arent going to live long enough to learn from your own".

Good luck next time! And not to soon I trust. :-)

J.

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

Beamish,

Try not to let these guys get to you.

I think they're a pretty decent bunch.

But if they smell blood in the water .. some of them are like piranhas, and they'll eat you up for dinner.

But a week or a month from now they'll forget what they ate for dinner, and as long as you make sure you don't bleed anymore, they'll move on to other prey.

Please, don't stop posting.

Peace,

-Deckard

... in response to Don't mind them, please, posted by Deckard on Jan 30, 2003


I think he should not stop posting.

I think he should definitely tell us the name of the good agency he found and used in Kherson.

I think there are MANY on the board who would like to know who that was.

I wonder why he won't do that...???

(I smell something... but it ain't blood...)

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

I'd have to say, that's a bit strange as well.

Hell, how many of you guys have gotten your lady a computer ?  My guess, not very many.

The icing on the cake was the mere fact she found the wait-staff more interesting that yourself.

Sounds like it's time to pass on this one and put another worm on the hook and see what else is bitting.

... in response to Re: She's only 18 years old and wants a ..., posted by wsbill on Jan 30, 2003

Mine already had one, but I bought her a new Monitor as the old one looked horrible, everything was green.  Same deal, her parents will get it when she leaves so they can keep up with their grandchild.

... in response to Re: She's only 18 years old and wants a ..., posted by wsbill on Jan 30, 2003

.. get my fiancee a computer that is.

She actually asked for one before I came to meet her, asking if I could bring one from America. I turned her down, as nicely as I could, and she accepted it well. She never asked for a computer again, and finally, the day after we were engaged, I took her with me to get a computer for her to use while we apart. The shock and disbelief on her face was captured on my camera, she could not speak for a couple of hours :P.

She (and her sister I might add) uses it daily to correspond with me through e-mail.

Probably was the best ~600 dollars I've ever spent.

One day after we're together again and don't need to e-mail each other several times a day anymore, her family will continue use it to keep in touch as well.

Peace,

-Deckard

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

Beamish,
As more of your story has been posted, I would like to ask you now where is the scam?  Was it that you thought she wasn't sincere in her acceptance of your proposal?  You write that you were going to use the K-1 time to get to know her better.  Maybe she had the same thoughts, so she is as guilty as you.  Many guys here have provided computers to their fiancee's so as to improve communication.  It was a little bold of her to ask for a computer and for that she may be judged as having bad judgement or even bad character.  For a fiancee to ask her beloved to provide a computer to facilitate communication is not a scam, (at least not in my book).  When asked if you liked her body, seems like a perfectly reasonable question between two people in love, who are engaged to be married.  A little reassurance for her self confidance is certainly not a crime.  Your assumption that she may have wanted payment for sexual favors cannot be concluded from what you posted.  So, Mr. Beamish, just where is her scam?  The worst she crime is guilty of is poor judgement in accepting a proposal of marriage from a complete stranger.  But then again, what crime is commited by the stranger doing the asking?
KenC

... in response to hmmmm, posted by KenC on Jan 30, 2003

It sounds to convenient to claim scammer when he sounds to be the one guilty of using exceptionally poor judgement.
And my question to him would be what led him to believe that there was anything there to warrant a proposal in the 1st place?

... in response to I agree, posted by Stan B on Jan 30, 2003

In March?

My wife's getting the bug to go see the islands.

Nice place?

- Dan

... in response to Stan - What Can You Tell Me About Waikol..., posted by Dan on Jan 30, 2003

Its a beautiful resort area on the west coast of the big island of Hawaii. There are quite a few nice resorts including the Hilton Waikoloa village, http://www.hiltonwaikoloavillage.com/ and the Mauna Lani http://www.maunalani.com/accommodations/index.asp are both top of the line resorts. Another nice resort is the Marriott http://www.marriott.com/dpp/PropertyPage.asp?MarshaCode=KOAMC That area gets very little rain and is known as the sunniest spot in the islands. Its also about a 2-3 hour drive from the volcano, which is a nice all day trip.

... in response to Re: Stan - What Can You Tell Me About Wa..., posted by Stan B on Jan 31, 2003

[This message has been edited by Oscar]

We are planning a trip to Hawaii in June (we are on a priority wait list using award miles on Delta).  Have to wait till June as her kidlet will be out of school and my sister (a teacher also out of school), will be able to take him for 8-10 days.

I have been to Europe 6 times but never to Hawaii.  I have talked to a lot of people who have been there and they say if you only go to 2 islands, it should be Maui and Kauai.  Do you agree??

Delta flies into Oahu 2x per day but to Maui only 1x per day so it's tougher to get flights into there it seems, but they told me we will likely get filled for the Maui flight on the priority wait list.  Hope so, I really have no desire to go to Honolulu.

Trying right now to go through the maze of hotels on both islands..  Hotels.com just became a partner with Delta and they told me (as did a helpful Delta rep) that other travel agencies like Delta Vacations buy their hotel rooms from places like Hotels.com and then just tack their profit on top..

I went to the Hotels.com website and found some seemingly reasonable rates at hotels on both islands ($80-$95 per night), much more reasonable than through Delta Vacations!  Only problem is, I have no clue which places are nice or well located or what!
Any ideas, aside from the major properties that are $200-$300 per night??

... in response to Hey Stan-, posted by Oscar on Jan 31, 2003

Well anything in Kaanapali, Kahana, Napili, Kapalua or Wailea is probably going to be a nice place. Let me know what you found at hotels.com and I can give you a review. As for the islands, yes Oahu and Waikiki can be skipped as most of the island is just a big city on the beach. But the other 3 major islands, Maui, Hawaii & Kauai are all nice and what you'd picture Hawaii to be like. If I was doing a package I'd choice Maui and either of the other 2. You can't go wrong with either choice.
Let me know whats up and I'll see what I can do to help. I'll also look forward to meeting both of you, but my better 2 will be travelling back to Ukraine, as our daughter will also be out of school and they both can't wait to visit their family. Aloha

... in response to Aloha, posted by Stan B on Jan 31, 2003

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... in response to I agree, posted by Stan B on Jan 30, 2003

What was the address of your online pictures? Do you still have them up?

Victoria would like to see them if they are...

... in response to Hey Stan..., posted by MarkInTx on Jan 30, 2003

http://groups.msn.com/StanMarinaandKatya/stanmarinaandkatya.msnw?Page=1&pgmarket=en-us

... in response to Hey Stan..., posted by MarkInTx on Jan 30, 2003

n/t

... in response to Check Out His Profile - Link is There   ..., posted by Dan on Jan 30, 2003

n/t

... in response to Nevermind - Link is Bad   n/t, posted by Dan on Jan 31, 2003

Thanx for letting me know about the link, I have no idea why it changed, but I fixed it.

... in response to I agree, posted by Stan B on Jan 30, 2003

IMHO Clearly there is more to the story then we know.

My gut reaction on this with the limited info is she probably was indeed a scammer and he was guilty of hoping to the point of not being pragmatic until she asked for a computer. Then he looked at other aspects of her behavior and he could see that she was not really interested in him.  

I realize that the information, as Ken stated, was not enough to claim scammer but I would bet Ken is highly suspicious of her but is coming at this from an attorney's viewpoint and rightfully so.

You ask what made him think there was anything to substantiate a proposal. It has been some time now since you first met your wife and, I may have forgotten some of the facts however, you were headed for the K-1 in record time yourself. I dare say there was probably not enough factual information available to you for you to really know you were doing the right thing - I would suspect it was more your gut instincts. That can work, so far it has for you.

On a different note, does your family miss the snow and winters?

... in response to I agree, posted by Stan B on Jan 30, 2003

...nah, forget it. ;-)

... in response to Err...., posted by LP on Jan 30, 2003

nuff said...

... in response to lol, posted by Stan B on Jan 30, 2003

sad

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

I was just wondering why you are being so secretive - (not wanting to give simple information about your situation the agency etc) simply coming here simply telling us about a scammer. Perhaps you were thinking that you might help someone avoid her.

However this air of secrecy raises suspicion in the minds of some. And, the responses will reflect such.

I do not know how old you are but, you must be no older then 35 as even at that you would be 17 years older than her. Yes I understand that she lied about her age. How old did she say she was? Does she look like women you would be able to date in your home town. If not, how far does she vary in age and looks relative to what you can attract at home.

Somehow, I don't sense you will answer these questions - perhaps a little lip service of a response.

If you are older than 35 and you are looking at women her age, you better figure on some more scammers. To find women who really want old farts for a husband you will have to go through about 40 to find one who is honest about it. Just my take.

Anyway -- good luck to you. Hope some of your other prospects work for you.

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

So you had your trip over the pound.
And hopefully you have learn something that will be usefull to you down the road.

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

move on. RW are great, just a question of finding the right one. A lot of time,money and effort goes into this but I'm sure that when it turns out right you wouldn't regret it.

Most of the guys here have had some contact with this kind of experience so welcome to the club. No one here is laughing or criticizing you since we are in the same boat. You'll get used to the black humor around here. Stick around, you might learn something.

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

I just looked her up on russiandreamgirls... according to her profile she's 18 years old and looks it! Life is probably still a game for her!!! You can't have been serious surely? Take a deep breath Beamish, and think about it...

... in response to Re: Scam alert., posted by Streetwise on Jan 30, 2003

She claimed to be older, and looks it in person.

Beamish

... in response to Re: Re: Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 30, 2003

I think Beamish has now taken enough "stick" for his lapse in judgement! And I'm not sure what he would have to gain by making it up. We've all done it... one girl in Kiev got a tv set out of me and pretended to be ill in bed for most of the time we were together to avoid having to show any affection (and no, I don't look like John Merrick). She dragged herself out of bed just to help pick out the set she wanted and after I had left she suddenly recovered and returned to her real home in Nikolaev. These scam girls' resourcefulness never ceases to amaze me! Emotional blackmail can be difficult to handle if you've never been exposed to it before.

My only saving grace was that I didn't propose to her, and I also got to choose the tv set (it won't have lasted long).

Beamish, the message here is just tread carefully and take your time (some of us have more colourful ways of expressing it, that's all).

... in response to Enough!!!, posted by Streetwise on Jan 30, 2003

of why I always followed the advice to never send money to a woman you have never met.  And one step further- never give money to (or buy very expensive gifts) for a woman you do not intend to marry.
I found it an excellent policy for the most part.  I have been to the FSU 4x, dated many women there and aside from having to pay for a few dinners here and there for a scammer or two, I never got hurt following this advice.  I had more than a few situations come up where I had been on a couple of dates with a woman and she would come right out and ask me to buy her a new fur coat or a new tea service or yes, even a tv.  I just always told them the same thing- "sorry, but I was advised never to buy things like this for a woman I was not engaged to" and boy, did that pisss a few women off! LOL!  Knew immediately what they were about and it saved a lot of time.  To the curb with'em and on to the next.. ;-)

... in response to Enough!!!, posted by Streetwise on Jan 30, 2003

...."I'm not sure what he would have to gain by making it up." and "We've all done it".

Huh? Streetwise, maybe you need to change your handle. ;-) And no, some of us haven't done it. Assuming it's even true, he goes on a tour and then spends his entire time with one girl? Then he proposes to her? You're calling that a "lapse in judgment"? And he's warning us about her?
True or not, it's powerful queer behavior.

I'm willin to listen. Hey Beamish, care to tell us a little about yer past? Relationships? Marriages? Recently divorced are ye? How you became, and for how long you've been involved, in the MOB scene? To those with some insight and objectivity about themselves, that would be much more useful than your "scam" experience.

... in response to Say what?..., posted by LP on Jan 30, 2003

I'm just trying to go easy on the guy, I think he knows he cocked up! OK, not many have actually proposed to a stranger (personally I would take a lot longer than most here before going that far). I'll keep the handle thanks; I've covered 15 different cities in 6 different FSU countries over 6 years (I'm choosy), I have got myself out of scrapes with customs officers, I've bribed Antonov pilots to accept me on full flights, I've hired local security to escort me in problem areas, I dated a beautiful girl in Kiev who carried a revolver in her glovebox for protection, and I have driven 9 hours from Simferopol to Kiev in an old Lada. I've had some great memories and I've hopefully now found the one I've been waiting for...

But what would I know about all of this? I have no experience of organised tours, I go my own way thanks.

... in response to Re: Say what?..., posted by Streetwise on Jan 30, 2003

....He more than cocked up. There is a difference between making a mistake (which involves violating a "resonable standard") and doing something just plain crazy. And while I agree it  takes a big man to admit he made a mistake, I wouldn't tell anyone if I did what he did.

It's supposed to be a kinder and gentler board so I won't call old Sqeamish an idiot. I won't say he's the reason the public thinks we're all losers or that guys like him give the entire business a bad smell. Or that actions like his often result in bad marriages, pain and grief for everyone involved and could conceivably bring more govermental control on the process, thereby increasing the difficulty for those yet to make the leap.

Or that even when such a meeting "works", it's still an example of guys who can't control themselves or think rationaly. Why anyone would come here and fess up to such an action is beyond me, a "mistake" it's not. And then blame the chick on top of it as if, as KenC points out, this is the normal way of doing things in the first place. From where I sit this isn't even a simple POB case.

So I'll just say his method was not too swift, something that typifies the lack of control and impulsive mindset of many involved in MOB. While I certainly understand the motivation that could drive a man to this state (a place most have been) I fail to understand why anyone would exersice such poor control over their own destiny. After all, who's in charge?

He was fortunate it died before it went further, otherwise he'd likely end up another sad story in a long line of sad stories that do no one any good. His actions are but a symptom of a deeper problem. Until many of the men involved can be honest with themsleves about the motivation behind their search, most will continue to make such "mistakes".

Btw, bribing pilots and packin heat are something I do all the time. No big deal....but if you drove from Simferopol to Kiev in a Lada, thats definately crazier than I am. ;-)

... in response to Fair nuff...., posted by LP on Jan 30, 2003

LP "It's supposed to be a kinder and gentler board so I won't call old Sqeamish an idiot."

"I won't say he's the reason the public thinks we're all losers or that guys like him give the entire business a bad smell. Or that actions like his often result in bad marriages, pain and grief for everyone involved and could conceivably bring more govermental control on the process, thereby increasing the difficulty for those yet to make the leap."

Gee I am glad you did not tell him that or let on to what you were thinkin.  LOL

Hey what happened to the post where I chided you? I came back and all gone.

... in response to Re: Fair nuff...., posted by thesearch on Jan 30, 2003

...was that what you were doin, my good man? ;-) I dunno, I guess Patrick threw out the baby with the sewer water.

As for Beamish, I was attempting to adhere to a discussion of the fella's tactics and methods rather than pound on the Hombre himself. There are those here who say that's the correct method, that somehow the two are seperate and different.

Hey, I'm willin to try anything once....

... in response to Chided me?...., posted by LP on Jan 30, 2003

I have a sheep, some grape jello and firemans helmet if you are up to it-and yes I am sure their is some kind of freudian pun here.
Eoj
#8oP
the hoppy Yoe

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

So if she's a scammer, have you reported her to a scammer site?  If yes, where so we can see.  If not, why not.  Is she still listed on Kherson Rose?  If so, how can we find her?

... in response to Re: Scam alert., posted by John F on Jan 30, 2003

If you have the URL for a scammer site, please send it to me or post it here.  I have already sent an email to russiangirls.

I have been searching Kherson agency's looking for her, thats the only way I know of to find her listing.

I never said I used "A Kherson Rose".

Thanks,

Beamish.

... in response to Re: Re: Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 30, 2003

www.firstdream.com and www.antiscam.org are two I know of.  I'm sure if you do a search you will find more.  You may even find her picture / profile.

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

This story puts a new meaning to the term "FISH ON THE END OF A HOOK"......SCARRY.......

... in response to Scheeeeeshhhh......, posted by RickM on Jan 30, 2003

That scenario does not exist anyplace besides between your ears.

Beamish.

... in response to Scheeeeeshhhh......, posted by RickM on Jan 30, 2003

....but Squeamish isn't the one hooked. Read the story again....

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

[This message has been edited by MarkInTx]

You joined here in August, and made the first post (asking about Embassy prices) in November...

Your next post was in December when you aked if anyone had information on A Kherson Rose.

Now this post...

So here's where the guys here have a problem:

Most guys who start out asking a question: "How much does a Ukraine Visa cost?" don't disappear and then reappear after their tour. Which makes most guys on here doubt that you ever actually went on a tour.

Assuming that you did, in fact, go on a tour... most people who had your experience would post the agency's name. After all, if you were scammed by a girl you met on their tour, wouldn't you wonder about the Agency's sincerity? So, the fact that you hide the angency's identity makes most guys here think you are making it up. (After all, if you name an agency, it would be easy enough to know if they even HAD a tour then... That wouldn't be why you didn't name the agency... would it?)

Finally, you are very specific about a woman who you saw on someone else's (?) website, which is odd. How did you know it was her? it wouldn't be that you have an axe to grind with her for some reason... would it?

In the event that EVERYTHING in your story IS true, I think most guys here wonder about a guy who goes to a strange city, meets a girl who doesn't (as far as he knows) speak English, spends one evening with her, and yet proposes to her. More specifically, we wonder: "What in the world were you reading since August?" Because you sure didn't get that advice here...

So... the response you get will be somewhat cynical... unless you care to flesh out the story a little...?

... in response to Here's the thing..., posted by MarkInTx on Jan 30, 2003

I left the Agency name out of the post because they are not responsible for this girl's actions.  Fact is, the lady was new with the agency; information I was aware of when I met her.  Any responsibility is mine.

Thankfully, you don't know which agency I used ,as I was in the process of trying to find one I felt was best when I asked on this board.  Why should I blame an agency for actions I took and my decisions?

Asking a girl to marry you doesn't mean she is coming to live with you tomorrow, there is plenty of time to get to know each other before that event ever takes place. The fiance visa allows you three additional months to get to know each other as well.

I don't recommend doing what I did , but it's a choice I made and I'll live with it.

I know more than the few experts are reading this board. Even if I am not being honest, as some of you think, hopefully they will be cautious if ever meeting Svetlana.

As to why I don't post more often, just read this thread. Some of you guy's are pretty brutal.  I hope the more brutal among you don't treat relationships with Eastern European woman the way you treat others on this board.

Beamish.

... in response to Re: Here's the thing..., posted by Beamish on Jan 30, 2003

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Asking a girl to marry you doesn't mean she is coming to live with you tomorrow, there is plenty of time to get to know each other before that event ever takes place. The fiance visa allows you three additional months to get to know each other as well.
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So then... you asked a girl to marry you who you did not know, but planned on getting to know her later? Hmmm.. an interesting strategy... and one that would make $500 for a computer seem like a fiancial bargain before you were done.

It's a LOT cheaper to get to know them there, you know...

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Even if I am not being honest, as some of you think, hopefully they will be cautious if ever meeting Svetlana.
====================

Why do you think that?

If you are not being honest, why should anyone believe anything you say about anything?

Surely you have heard the expression: "Fruit from a poisonous tree..." Haven't you?

If you are not being honest, how do we know you even met Svetlana?

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As to why I don't post more often, just read this thread. Some of you guy's are pretty brutal.
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Shucks, Beamish, this wasn't brutal... as KenC said, the guys were being nice. You don't want to see it when they're brutal...

But again... if you really want to be helpful... why don't you tell us a little more about you and your trip?

You say that you liked the agency that you used? Tell us  about it. Let us know the good things about the agency. I think a lot of the men could benefit from your positive input...

Who'd you use? How much did you pay? How was the service (besides this woman...?)

By all means... tell us more...

That is more helpful than just showing one scammer...

... in response to Follow-up, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 30, 2003

I don't believe you are reading the thread. I have been accused of being dishonest.

I didn't say I liked or disliked the agency I used, nor did I name it.  For the record, I do like the agency, however.

The Agency I used knows what happened, and has pulled her off their site. Besides what happened between me and Svetlana, the trip was very enjoyable.

Although I spent most of my time with Svetlana, I continued to meet new women daily. Thankfully there are a few of them I'd like to get to know better and feel the trip was worthwhile regardless of what happened.

Beamish.

... in response to Re: Follow-up, posted by Beamish on Jan 30, 2003

[This message has been edited by MarkInTx]

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I didn't say I liked or disliked the agency I used, nor did I name it. For the record, I do like the agency, however.
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Great... you liked the agency.

We are always looking for positive reports on agencies here, so guys know who they are...

So... what was that agency?

I don't get it... why won't you name it? You liked them. They sound like a good agency.

You want to help guys out... so help them:

Name the agency.

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

[This message has been edited by Michael B]

Buy a computer? Doesn't she know about internet cafes? If you had explained that to her, I'll bet the engagement would still be on (yeah, sure).

I was going to ask "Why didn't she ask for some rakes and a leaf blower?", but nah, your grammer is too good for that.

... in response to Re: Scam alert., posted by Michael B on Jan 30, 2003

Hehehe... very subtle... I actually had to read that one a few times...

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

Beamish,
We have a new and improved (gentler & kinder) forum here (for now) and it is very lucky for you.  Let's see now, you proposed to a girl that you didn't even know spoke English?  Just what DID you know about her before you popped the question?  Now you think she might have been a pro?  From what you posted it appears that you asked a complete stranger to marry you.  What on earth possessed you to do that?  Did you honestly think that you had a sincere relationship going with her?  You said that she seemed like a nice girl.  Is that ALL that is necessary for you to propose?  Now you are warning others about this girl's scam?  Let me put this in the nicest way possible:  if a guy is as foolish as you were, it is only reasonable to think you would pop for a puter too.  Or try this one: Why wouldn't you buy your fiancee a computer?  Your beloved only wants to keep in contact with you.  It all sounds reasonable to me.  LOL.
KenC

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

....cuz that's what yer makin me. You must think we're all idiots. Speakin of that, the real question is will he or won't he. I'll wait and see but my money is that he will.

Hey Griff: It's ok, no foul. Unlike some here, it takes more than that.

... in response to More like Sqeamish....., posted by LP on Jan 30, 2003

could she take a punch!
hahahaha
Joe

... in response to More like Sqeamish....., posted by LP on Jan 30, 2003

Some of you guys are too much:)  For the rest of you , please be careful if you come across this one.

I'm not going to argue about it.

Beamish.

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

I am sorry about this. One lesson here is that if you ask a complete stranger to marry you-- I don't know if you realize that you did just this--and she says, "yes", expect her, no, count on her absolutely to be a scammer. No serious woman would trust the future of her life and agree to have children with a complete stranger. Think about it. Is there another reasonable conclusion?

I hope you aren't blaming the woman. You may be very successful in business and many other areas of your life. Why you wouldn't be rational when considering marriage is a pretty good question. I sense a deep problem. You'll largely find support here on this list with such problems if you come clean and really want to change. However, if you are a David/SD, who won't admit responsibility, who actually married the kind of woman who, lucky for you, disassociated herself from you, and if you want to brag about your intellect and resist change-- fahgettabowdit. You'll be torn to ribbons here. (Read the archives to see how the shredding's been done.)

Maybe in this specialized age we can start a new spin-off list for people who are interested solely in marrying complete strangers from the FSU (VOMIT: Visit Once, Marry ImmediaTely) and then we can have another list for people who want to develop relationships with FSU ladies with the possible future outcome of marriage.

With stories like this one, I hardly see any connections between what would be the aims of the two lists. I admit that it personally irritates me to continually read stories on this list about people who are blindly setting themselves up to be on Jerry Springer. I wish the VOMIT crowd had another place (list) to peddle their tales of woe. I personally can't support the VOMIT approach and hope your story warns others of this folly.

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

Well, I am sure you learned alot on this trip.  You are back home now ready to get back on the wheel much wiser.  Best of luck in the future.

... in response to Live and learn, posted by Bobby Orr on Jan 29, 2003

With your mindset, I think you should quit now and save lots and lots and lots of money...now and in the future.

Best advice....Stay Home!

... in response to Re: Live and learn, posted by Globetrotter on Jan 29, 2003

Your post follows Globetrotter's in the thread... is your comment directed at him or at Beamish? (just for clarity's sake...)

... in response to Re: Re: Live and learn, posted by Streetwise on Jan 29, 2003

Sorry, at Beamish of course.

... in response to Re: Re: Live and learn, posted by Streetwise on Jan 29, 2003

Sorry Globetrotter - I meant Bobby Orr or Beamish, of course; you wouldn't have directed it at yourself (would you...?)

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

Oh no! I suppose there is a pretty thin line between scamming and prostitution, and I'm sure it gets crossed from both directions once in a while. I wouldn't bother with tours personally, I have inside info that as news gets around, many girls attend for what they can get, and they're not looking for a relationship. Don't let one bad apple put you off the project!

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

1. Don't go for an 18 year old unless you are in the same age range.

2. How long did you correspond with her?

3. Her profile says she speaks good English. Do your homework.

4. She wants to be a dancer. Not my choice of a 'Professional Girl'(I don't have anything against dancers)

5. You proposed after a few days.Would you do that in the US?

6. You proposed to a woman you had no intimacy with?

7. Did you meet her parents,relatives,friends?

8. What exactly do you know about her?

Many others I can't think about right now. If you are serious about this venture then start reading the archives NOW.

... in response to begging for trouble, posted by Cold Warrior on Jan 29, 2003

CW,

Some are just more needy than others, some go after girls they should not even think about for many reasons, some don't care they can't even talk to their dates...let alone communicate, others are absolutely clueless.

However, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

With all the information out there, followed by such foolishness, some should really stay home!

... in response to begging for trouble, posted by Cold Warrior on Jan 29, 2003

asdf

... in response to begging for trouble, posted by Cold Warrior on Jan 29, 2003

All good advise.  I didn't use that web site or read her profile there before my trip. Found it in a search.

beamish

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

Just kidding guys.  :-)

... in response to Jesus Christ!  That's LP's girlfriend., posted by Griffin on Jan 29, 2003

nt

... in response to Or he will part the Red Sea, as well !  ..., posted by BURKE89 on Jan 29, 2003

asd

... in response to Don't use the Lord's name in vain!.....n..., posted by Cold Warrior on Jan 29, 2003

Since when is that the Lord's name?

... in response to Re: Don't use the Lord's name in vain!....., posted by Gman on Jan 29, 2003

[This message has been edited by Lynn]

I suppose you never heard of the Holy Trinity??

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost

... in response to Re: Re: Don't use the Lord's name in vai..., posted by Lynn on Jan 30, 2003

Well for those that don't believe in the Trinity, that's not the Lord's name.

... in response to Re: Re: Don't use the Lord's name in vai..., posted by Lynn on Jan 30, 2003

....about me ;-)

... in response to He was talkin...., posted by LP on Jan 30, 2003

pe·ris·so·dac·tyl  
Having an uneven number of toes.
#:o{} the lhao yoe
(laughing his as s off)

... in response to You mean Lord Perissodactyl...?, posted by yoe on Jan 30, 2003

...crackin yerself up Yoey, it'll make you go blind. ;-)