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I'm collecting different interesting Russian dishes and cooking them for my friends and family. What I'd like is some of your favourite recipes from Russia and Ukraine.
Thanks.

... in response to A request for food ideas, posted by Zink on Oct 18, 2002

If all those Russian dishes posted below weren't quite what you were looking for , maybe try a few of these ...
russianfoods.com
www.ruscuisine.com/links.shtml
http://members.tripod.com/~dyumyum/russian.html

... in response to Re: A request for food ideas, posted by don1 on Oct 19, 2002

That's a little more like what I wanted. But I was actually hoping to steal some of the secret family recipes from the wives or girlfriends of the guys here.

The mustard and drinks ideas weren't bad.

... in response to Thanks!, posted by Zink on Oct 19, 2002

I've been on my fiance's case to send me some recipes , just some simple stuff like blini , drahniki , and borscht...if she ever gets around to me any of that stuff I'll post it for you .

... in response to Re: Thanks!, posted by don1 on Oct 19, 2002

I have my girlfriends blini recipe. Her mother cooked tons of it for me while I was in Vladivostok. One interesting family recipe that I have from them is for "ñûðíèêè". It's sort of a pan fried cookie made from cottage cheese. Very tasty but I can't seem to duplicate it here. They made me cook batches of it in Russia so that I knew how. But the cottage cheese here isn't the same.

I don't think I've ever tried drahniki. Borscht I've had many times both here and there. Every recipe seems to be quite different. Who'd have thought you could do that much with beets?

It'll be nice if I can try out some of your fiance's recipes. I've actually developed a taste for Russian food.

... in response to A request for food ideas, posted by Zink on Oct 18, 2002

Hey, Zink,

I hope these replies satisfied your request.  If you have any questions about these recipes, feel free to ask - the members are always glad to help.

When will the cookbook be available for purchase?

Bob

;)

... in response to Re: A request for food ideas, posted by robobond on Oct 19, 2002

I was only being sarcastic with the above post -- what I really want to know is why did Globetrotter jump in from outer space with his "I'm amazed" thread and what's he smoking?  What about the rest of you that followed?  None of this crap has anything to do with recipes.  If half of you people are on serious drugs I'd like to know so I can alter my future posts accordingly...

... in response to Re: Re: A request for food ideas, posted by robobond on Oct 19, 2002

Personally I like the idea. What do you think I can sell Phil's mustard recipe for? I'm scraping together enough cash for my next trip to Asia.

As for what they're smoking... I've got an old buddy from school who's a dealer and he could probably find me some if I was so inclined. Not my style though.

... in response to Re: Re: A request for food ideas, posted by robobond on Oct 19, 2002

from AREA-51, screwing up recipe threads!

I've, the mustard recipe curing... (Tnx, Phil)

Vaughn -- (recipe sampler)

... in response to A request for food ideas, posted by Zink on Oct 18, 2002

Where do some of you people come from?  I read with amazement the love, trust and faith some of you put into women you have only just met.

I, also am taken in by the number of FSU women looking for mates, their potential charm, looks, possible virtues and other good qualities.  

In Vietnam, those who got R&R in Bangkok, had dates, lovers, wives if they chose, and thought they were in heaven.  Not so different from the situation here.

I read with interest the newbies here who ask questions.  Some are truck drivers, welders, farmers, all of which are honorable professions, who think they have found "Nirvana."
If you believe Irina Petrova's articles (she is from South Africa, formerly from Ekterinburg, married to a South African, alledged to be "mobbed up" who sells profiles for $10 or monthly magazines for $100).....all is wonderful.
Reality is....women are women, anywhere you find them, anywhere in the world.

Some men are lucky and meet the woman they will love forever, but you could do this here if you work hard enough, have the skills here or there, then it doesn't matter.  The biggest advantage I see to this persuit is the hundreds of thousands of women you have to choose from...some wonderful, some with agendas, who will love you, hurt you or worse.  The devil is in the details!!!

I applaud those of you who, as I do, look at this form of meeting and dating as an alternative, but if you think this is an easy way, or an alternative to what you know or are used to, or don't have the money....a great deal of money to pursue, I think you will be eaten alive, and not know it.

Women are women....anywhere in the world you meet them.  You may start out with better stock from the FSU, but then YOU make them Americans.  There are 3 laywers and a judge in my family.  The judge says....if you bring a woman from another country and marry her, you are responsible for her and her children....the INS tacks 10 years onto this.

Just know that I love them also.  Just know....more to choose from, more to teach them, an incredible financial penalty to pay if you choose badly, but great benefits to gain if you choose well.

Choose Well....and I hope I have not insulted anyone too badly....

... in response to I Am Amazed!!!!!, posted by Globetrotter on Oct 19, 2002

There is opportunity for both sides.

Over there, not as many good men available and their economy overall has some major problems.

Guys here are merely taking advantage of these two issues to attract a woman that it might be safe to say is a quality woman they could have difficulty finding at home and even if they did she might be hard to win.  

Some guys pick a woman who is about the age and beauty that they could attract in their homeland - others push the limits - some a little - some a lot. As for the latter, Some get away with it some do not.

The bargain hunters go where the bargains are plain and simple. Even guys who could not buy a date at home can get someone interested over there. Guys who have no trouble finding women here can simply get better if they spend enough time at it.

Yea, some guys will risk a lot when a gal half their age and more attractive than anything he has ever held in his arms is asking to be taken home. LOL

... in response to I Am Amazed!!!!!, posted by Globetrotter on Oct 19, 2002

some very good things to think about.

... in response to this is good, posted by landscaper on Oct 19, 2002

Nothing said in this post that hasn't been said a million times in other posts.

Sure, there are challenges. That's a given.

But there's quite a bit of "mis-information" in this one, too... starting off with the comment from "his relative" the judge.

I will say that this whole journey isn't for the timid.

Read everything, then make up your mind...

... in response to This is trite, posted by MarkInTx on Oct 19, 2002

Mark's been a little 'bound-up' lately and it's gotten him cranky. Don't let it bother you.

- Dan

... in response to How Do You Like *That* Welcoming Message..., posted by Dan on Oct 19, 2002

thanks for the advice, i hope not to let anyone here, as you put it, bother me.

just wanted to say the more i read the archives and take notes the more i am impressed with your knowledge and perspective of russian women.

i wish you would write more.

... in response to How Do You Like *That* Welcoming Message..., posted by Dan on Oct 19, 2002


I was referring to Globetrotter's post when I said it was trite.

Sorry for any confusion...

... in response to This is trite, posted by MarkInTx on Oct 19, 2002

Dewd, re-read "Phoenix" & Cross Pen's in MA....

Comprende?

... in response to Re: This is trite, posted by BURKE89 on Oct 19, 2002

Gotcha

... in response to I Am Amazed!!!!!, posted by Globetrotter on Oct 19, 2002

...you think you're amazed now? It'll soon turn to astonishment. There is a real cult mentality operating
among some of these guys. They'll do anything from drink bad KoolAid to wait for the Mother Ship if they felt it would bring an FSU chick to them. (lol, them odds are just as good.)

You'll find the ones most loving, trusting, etc, are usually the same ones most scammed, lied to and broken hearted. You'll also find the ones most excited after finding a girl quickly are the ones who were the most desperate beforehand. So happy now that they've solved their "problem", they'll hurl up huge doses of useless advice.

So if you're interested in bizarre human behavior, stick around. It gets WAY better.

... in response to Stick around...., posted by LP on Oct 19, 2002

You are smart, you are cautious....with an acid tongue.  I liked your posts because they smacked with reality.  No harm in this. Some of your friends here will never have the capacity to learn, but we are not our brothers keepers!

A Moe

... in response to Stick around...., posted by LP on Oct 19, 2002

love tryin' to push a rope up-hill, don't ya?   :-)

... in response to You surely do........., posted by Del on Oct 19, 2002

...top of the hill, trying to hold all the newbies dangling on the rope below.

Besides, as Jake and Elwood would say: "We're on a mission from God." ;-)

... in response to I Am Amazed!!!!!, posted by Globetrotter on Oct 19, 2002

As I have stated before, I see one major difference in searching in FSU vs in USA (or maybe Western Europe, Australia, Canda, etc.)

That difference is that a guy can 'date, visit, investigate,' or whatever you want to call it, a much larger number of ladies within a given time span than is possible elsewhere.  They ladies aren't more interesting or attractive than elsewhere.  There are just more interesting and attractive ladies available, period.  It is a very 'time efficient' place to search.  Of course, if the guy does the WOVO approach, this advantage is wasted.

JR

... in response to I Am Amazed!!!!!, posted by Globetrotter on Oct 19, 2002

The guy's looking for food recipes - what in the hell are YOU talking about?

... in response to Re: I Am Amazed!!!!!, posted by robobond on Oct 19, 2002

I'm amazed too !!! The guy asks for a few food recipes ; and he hits the lottery !

... in response to Re: I Am Amazed!!!!!, posted by robobond on Oct 19, 2002

You don't think he's trying to bait anyone... do you?

... in response to No Kidding              , posted by MarkInTx on Oct 19, 2002

n/t

... in response to I Am Amazed!!!!!, posted by Globetrotter on Oct 19, 2002

I'm not sure why you posted this under my request for recipes. But I'll give you some of my history and why I'm in this "adventure".

I spent quite a few years helping to pull my family out of a bad situation my father was in. After things settled down I started trying to date again. There were some problems. #1 There aren't a lot of women in there mid 20's near me. #2 most of the 20 something women that are here, I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. The feeling seems to be mutual in many cases. The bar scene is a terrible way to find a woman even in the cities near me. I don't need or want a drunken, barfly, party girl.

So I turned to internet ads. The nearby girls who had the qualities I was looking for weren't that interested in me. I'm just a broke down cowboy. So my search area got larger and larger. Girls from Europe, Australia and New Zealand thought I was okay. Just never found one who I thought was the one. Then I stumbled onto Russia.

I'm young and okay looking. The ladies in Russia and Ukraine love me. I put an ad out and I get dozens of replies a week. I got one or two a month from North America. I wrote to a lady for 8 months and then worked up the courage to go over. It was the biggest adventure in my life but definitely not for the weak of heart. Things went badly between me and her after knowing each other for almost 2 years and me spending several months with her family in Russia. It hurt but no worse than my failed relationships here.

Was it expensive? Oh, ya! But I know people who lost more money in local dating. And I got to see a part of the world not many people from here have. I made some good friends. All in all it was worth it. Much better than sitting here with my head up my @ss whining about how lonely it is.

Are there risks? Yes. Do your homework and decide for yourself if they are worth taking. Do the ladies have agendas? Yes. Take your time and get to know the ladies and learn what they are. Do we need to be very careful? Of course. But after many years of searching North America I haven't found many girls who interest me as much as average girls from Russia. I've come much closer to finding my ideal, dream lady in Russia than I did here. I still look here and If I find what I'm looking for closer to home I'll grab her. But for now Russia is my main focus. There one girl there who is very dear to me, but we are just taking things slow and learning more about each other. Never of us is the kind to leap before we look.

I didn't choose Russia. Russia chose me. The letters I get from Russia far surpass anything from elsewhere. These are beautiful, intelligent, educated and cultured women. And yet they are still very down to earth, sensible and easy to get along with. The RWs I've written to genuinely seemed to be trying to get to know me. We talk it all from world politics, literature, movies, music, love, sex, life. Too many people I know here are specialists in a certain area. They can't talk outside of that area. It gets dull to have the same conversation everytime you talk to the same person, year after year.

Oh boy, that got a little long! You haven't offended me but I thought I'd explain some of my reasoning.

... in response to Re: I Am Amazed!!!!!, posted by Zink on Oct 19, 2002

I applaud you.  Your quest seems to be well thought out, while you ask yourself good questions and ask the same of your girl.  I just think your approach gives you the best chance of success.  We all need to do the work, and at sometime, like you probably have discovered, that you will need to have more patience, and actually be better than the best partner for your new bride once she is here.

Good for you.  I am trying to do the same.

Best of luck!

... in response to I Am Amazed!!!!!, posted by Globetrotter on Oct 19, 2002

First off, your relative the judge is mistaken. I hope he doesn't specialize in Immigration Law...

But as for the rest of it... to each his own...

But, clearly, if we all thought that we could find the same woman here that we could find abroad we wouldn't go.

Ask yourself this: With the phenomenon that is the "MOB" business... and the fact that it is growing daily... do you honestly feel that there is NO reason for it?

Do you REALLY think that millions of guys would be looking for women elsewhere, if the women here were "just as good?"

Do you think that all of us got our start in this by reading articles by "Irina Petrova?"

I am sure you have heard the old expression: "Where there is smoke, there is fire."

Well, it has been beyond smokey for some time.

The fact that you haven't caught fire yet, doesn't mean that it isn't there...

... in response to Great! I love being amazing!, posted by MarkInTx on Oct 19, 2002

Mark,

I read one of your old posts, where you ask someone..."Do you think he's baiting someone"?

No man, reality check is more like it.  Just tell your boss that you got engaged to a girl from another country after knowing her for a week.  He would probably question your sanity, and reassess if you should be working for him, as should others, as well as yourself.

I have nothing against you, and don't know you.  You are probably a good guy who likes a few beers, a round of golf, a day at the track.

Please try not to be a "professor".  Tell about your experiences that may be of use to others, not about hopes, dreams, and blue sky.  

You certainly must have learned things from past mistakes, haven't you?

For a 3rd time....look at the way things really are, as opposed to the way you would like them to be!

Just another Moe.

... in response to Re: Great! I love being amazing!, posted by Globetrotter on Oct 20, 2002

Well... you are 33% right.

I like a good beer.

Don't play golf...

Never been to the track.

Oh wait... if you ask some of the other guys, they will tell you that you were only 25% right -- I'm not a good guy.

As for being a professor... did you miss that long post where I said:

"...I will say that I am as guilty as anyone of this.

I am shocked when I read that I come off as a "know-it-all". I certainly don't feel that way. I probably should end every post with FWIW, or IMHO... but it becomes redundant. I assume that everyone KNOWS I am simply speaking from my limited experience, and telling you what I believe to be true. "

Guess you missed that, huh?

Yes, I have opinions... yes, I will agrue them passionately. But I always allow others to have their own... as long as I am allowed the freedom to disagree with them... and debate them.

... in response to Re: Re: Great! I love being amazing!, posted by MarkInTx on Oct 20, 2002

Man, I'm not pissing on your parade, and wish you very well, and hope you wish the same for me.  No fight, no argument, just a dose of reality thrown in.  

PS: I'm a terrible golfer, and normally lose at the track, but can hold my own in other situations.

Moe

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Great! I love being amazing!, posted by Globetrotter on Oct 20, 2002

Well that's all I really care about.

When you come through DFW let me know, and I'll by you a beer.

... in response to Great! I love being amazing!, posted by MarkInTx on Oct 19, 2002

First off, you are correct in that my uncle Al never tried  immigration cases, which are easy.  I was talking about divorce cases!

Trite?  You are trite.  Much of what you write is useless.

I'm very much in this MOB game and is how I found my girl, 2 years ago.  I see it as a wonderful option if done with thoughtfulness and care, and quite a bit of luck....not as a do all end all, only option.

While I wish you great success in your quest, your "head in the sand" free wheeling, long, long odds approach leaves much to be desired from my perspective.  I simply warn against overzealousness, which you seem to have much of.  If this is trite, so be it!  I say keep the love and money separate...unless you have been wiped out and have nothing but a "boat" to offer, which is a much valued prize as well.  If you have nothing to offer but a "boat" then you are relegated to the status of 17 year old high school sweethearts starting out together.

I am a Moe.  Two years in the game, and I'm still a Moe.  I now have no doubt that my girl can "measure up".  I wonder if I can measure up.  Can I be a great Dad to a 7 year old at 50?  Can I accept all the changes that would occur?  Can I handle being #2?  I have come to the realization that to make this succeed, I must be better than the best husband....better than anyone I have ever met.  

Over 2 years, I feel we have grown together, shared everything, discussed everything.  She knows I am comfortable, but doesn't know the company I work for, I also own.  Like the line in the Eagles, Hotel California
"I was thinking to myself this could be heaven or this could be hell."

So....as far as me "not having caught fire" yet, probably more so than you.

I've spent years traveling to Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, where over 90% of marriages are arranged.  They seem to succeed, with of course different economic parameters, culture and religion.  There, it is considered wonderful if you marry a first cousin, as he/she would have been known to the families since birth, and there are no surprises.  Our "self matchmaking" process is a little more difficult.

I did start out by reading Irina Petrova, like many here probably did.  Girls with 50's values, only looking for good men which they can't find at home, financial status doesn't matter, loving, cultured, etc,etc.  Too good to be true doesn't begin to describe this BS.  

The true pros here are those who have gone before us, have taken the step, have successful marriages, learned, given, suffered, and have come out of this adventure smiling from ear to ear.  You have not.

Do yourself a favor and listen more than you talk, and learn something.  Keep your optimism, but try to give yourself a fighting chance, and leave the pie in the sky stuff to 4 year olds.

... in response to Re: Great! I love being amazing!, posted by Globetrotter on Oct 20, 2002

...eloquence leaves my acid tongue humbled. ;-)

Btw, your uncle is absolutely correct. In addition to his "massive" experience with FSU girls, your pal in Tx
is also apparently an expert on the USC. Had he read the code he would know the 10 year ball and chain is a valid statue. Enforcement is lacking, but it's legal and on the books.

Lol...maybe the Feds will make an example of him, one can only hope.

... in response to Your....., posted by LP on Oct 20, 2002

Why did you become such an avid critic about guys looking for women in the FSU?  I mean, I guess your heavy posting days were somewhat before my time so I didn't see them but from what I understand, you were looking there a lot.  What happened?  Why so cynical now?

Also, I thought you were now married to a Thai lady, is that right?  If so, are you not under the same responsibilities you think others here are being stupid for undertaking?  Or was your girl already an American?

Just curious..

... in response to LP, I have a question-, posted by Oscar on Oct 20, 2002

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... in response to Oscar, I have an answer-, posted by LP on Oct 21, 2002

Excellent post, the longest I have ever read from you!   Thanks for the info.  I understand better now where you are coming from.
It becomes more obvious to me that we have much in common on the issues of allowing emotions to overule intellect..

Oscar

... in response to Re: Oscar, I have an answer-, posted by Oscar on Oct 21, 2002

...lol, I was trying to keep it short. But I've got much more to elaborate about my experiences with these girls when the ball is not in play (so to speak), I didn't touch on that. I'd rather do it off board however.

It'll give you a much greater insight into why I'm always playing the devil's advocate.

... in response to I Am Amazed!!!!!, posted by Globetrotter on Oct 19, 2002

Although reality is somber, I agree the odds are longer than the average guy thinks.  Time and money are heavily stacked against the average guy looking for a girl abroad.

... in response to A request for food ideas, posted by Zink on Oct 18, 2002

A quick recipe for some of that knock your breath away Russian Mustard.  I am sending the recipe as I received it spelling mistakes and all.

            MuSTARD.
100 grammes of a mustard powder, 1 big spoon of sugar,
1/4 tea spoons salt - to fill with 100 grammes of
boiling water.

It is good to stir, if it is necessary to add a little
boiled water. On density she should be as sour cream.
Then to add one big spoon of sunflower oil and one big
spoon 6 % of vinegar. It is good to mix and to put in
glasswares. From above to cover by a piece of bread
(better black). In 4-6 hours to remove bread and to
close mustard by a cover. After 12 hours the mustard
is ready.
Bon appetit.

... in response to Mustard Recipe, posted by Philb on Oct 19, 2002

My in-laws stuffed 2 packages of the dried mix in my luggage, which I hoard jelously - It is, without doubt, the hottest substance I have ever put in my mouth. It also doubles as paint stripper. Think distilled, concentrated Chinese mustard with extra horseradish.

I love it - eat a half-spoonful and you will see God. ;)

... in response to Beware the powdered mustard, young Jedi, posted by Ken W on Oct 21, 2002

Here is a link to the company in Novosibirsk that makes the mustard powder I currently use.

http://www.proxima.ru/

It is all in Russian but translates pretty well with the online translators.  Barry below won't need this though ;).

... in response to A mustard link, posted by Philb on Oct 22, 2002

The nice thing is you're able to download the price list in excel format. I noticed that they sell nuts with the brand names of "Mustang" and "Robinson Crusoe". I really don't get that, but it's interesting.

-blm

... in response to Beware the powdered mustard, young Jedi, posted by Ken W on Oct 21, 2002

Probably the powdered mustard you have contains powdered horseradish. Mustard naturally is only mildly hot. I've grown many varieties and it's growing season in Texas now. The horseradish gives it the punch.

-blm

... in response to A request for food ideas, posted by Zink on Oct 18, 2002

Take a walk in the woods and collect 25-30 rosehips, boil them with two pints of water, add sugar to taste for a natural refreshing drink loaded with vitamin C. Or try making tea with this mixture.

My missus also likes to collect wild watermint, prepare as above and mix a little with tea.