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Hey All,

I just got in from Kiev. (I see not much changed on the board while I was away...)

I had a great time. It was Victoria's birthday, so I shot in for an extended weekend.

I'm not going to bother publushing a trip report.

Two reasons:

1) Since this was not a "search trip" I don't think it would be of a lot of interest to the readers.

2) It isn't worth the hassle of dealing with the small-minded sniping and insults that invariably follows.

BTW, in the past three months I have had many letters sent to me privately -- with brief trip reports and pictures from some guys who have gone, met, and become engaged -- and they won't be posting their stories here either.

The bitter are winning.

Oh well... I guess the board gets what it deserves. When malcontents are lauded and honest men are vilified... why should anyone expect anything less than malcontents "ruling the board?"

So... no trip report this time... but a few random thoughts, FWIW:

1. London Heathrow was a disappointment, and a hassle to connect through. It was DEFINITELY better when I simply connected through Gatwick. If anyone has a choice, I would suggest that... Don't let the agent tell you "oh, it's a quick bus-ride from Gatwick to Heathrow..." Unless you consider an hour quick... And, in Gatwick, American Airlines left the same place that Ukraine Air did, which means that I could use the Admiral's club -- not so with Heathrow and British Airways. Also, BA is highly over-rated, IMHO

2. I've been to Kiev twice now. I stand by my assessment: It is NOT the babe capital of the world. Yes, I know, I'm in love... but I still have eyes. I've seen more babes walking around in Dallas, frankly. Those of you who go on a tour for the "eye-candy" are bound to be disappointed.... (If you want that, I'm telling you: go to BRAZIL!) Those guys who advocated going to Kiev and just walking around and meeting women in the streets are out of their minds.

3. "You can wear anything you want as long as it is black" is either old advice, or Russian advice. The folks from Kiev wear every color you can imagine. I saw very few "full black" outfits.

4. All generalities are wrong (except this one). This ESPECIALLY goes for about every stereo-type you have heard about "women from the FSU." My fiance has no superstitions, wears her shoes in the house, never drinks vodka... on and on and on... Every woman is different. Basic cultural values may give a core belief system, but don't think you can predict anything about a human being who lives, breathes, and has been alive for more than 9 months...

4. The Zaporizhzhya restaruant was fantastic! French food that was incredible, an attentive staff, very nice and elegant -- and amazingly affordable (for what they serve). Our new favorite "go out" spot in Kiev.

5. Da Vinci restaruant is crowded, smokey, over-priced, and I didn't think the food was that good. One of my biggest dissappointments in Kiev, frankly (probably because I had heard such good things about it).

I guess that's it...

... in response to Back From Kiev, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

Sounds like you had a good time.  Sorry to see that you and others won't be posting future travel reports.  Get a lot of enjoyment reading those.  Usually very informative and fun.  Best of luck to ya!

... in response to Re: Back From Kiev, posted by UnitedNut on Sep 21, 2002

I agree with you U.N. lad. When good men do nothing...
Vaughn

... in response to Back From Kiev, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

I will agree about DaVinci being overpriced. It wasn't smokey when I went, but I went early in the evening and was seated on the balcony.

... in response to Re: Back From Kiev, posted by Alfred on Sep 18, 2002

And the food wasn't that good. At least not what I had.

I ordered Lasagna -- usually a safe bet in an Italian restaurant... and it was nothing special.

Not a horrible place... but I was expecting so much more...

... in response to Re: Re: Back From Kiev, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 18, 2002

The fish I had was good.  I thought of it as more of a fish restaurant that an italian restaurant.

It was one of the 3 most expensive meals I have had in Kiev in several trips and the only one I felt was overpriced.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Back From Kiev, posted by Alfred on Sep 18, 2002

Divinci Fish restaurant is dfferent than the Italian restaurant. (Though both owned by the same company)

Which one were you at?

I was at the one that was next door the Millenium club...

... in response to Different Place, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 18, 2002

I was at the one near Andrivsky Downhill. Wasn't aware there are two.

... in response to Back From Kiev, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

glad to see you are back and glad you had a good time with her.

... in response to Back From Kiev, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

Mark,

I would agree with you, if individuals perceive negative responses will be a result of a trip report, clearly there will be less reports.

I am trying to remember the negative responses in general - ---- Right now the only negatives that come to mind are pertaining to meeting a lady once and going for the K-1 and someone --- jumping forth saying are you crazy!!!! Other than that, can not think of any off hand, but then again, it has been a long day and more difficult day than usual and my brain has been parked for the night so to speak.  

Of course, this can work (meet and marry in a single breath) as has been observed ---- at least for the short run. But also, there are guys who simply can not afford to go over more than once or twice yet they want to cash in on the abundance of wonderful women from the FSU. For others it is not about money but free time. If neither are available people are going to compensate.

If they are willing to take the risk, so what. First of all no one here has any stats on the success rate of  these types of marriages that are almost mail order (pick her photo out of a catalogue and get married)  to the guys who use the Internet as an introduction service only  and who take their time meeting many women and making several trips to the final lady that is going to be the one.

But Mark, I have one question for you. You mentioned that if you want to see "eye candy" go to Brazil. Tell me a little about that. I have a friend who is Brazilian who keeps trying to get me to visit Brazil with him. He raves about the women. I did not really know what to think about this - maybe national pride in saying this came across my mind.

I will tell you that I did visit a few sites offering South American women interested in meeting men but, I did not see near the numbers of beautiful women that can be found on the Russian sites. I somehow do not think that it is just a mater of taste - but I could be wrong.

... in response to Re: Kiev and Back, posted by thesearch on Sep 17, 2002

I'm not interested in rehashing the rest of it...

But as for Brazil...

Go to www.brazilgirls.com

Take a look. You will see women that will make a grown man weep. BTW, brace yourself, almost every woman has a picture in a bikini on there (or better yet, her Sambo costume.) No, they are not scammers. They are simply much more easy going about such things in Brazil.

I was in Sao Paulo, which is probably not even the best place for girl watching.

I was there on business, with another guy from my company, and after the second day, we made a pact: Whenever one of us simply trailed off in the middle of a sentence, he was allowed 10 seconds of staring before continuing.

And I AM referring to women walking the streets. The women in the clubs were more amazing still.

Of course, you probably need to speak portuguese to do really well there.

The women are not cultured, and not as educated, which is hardly the same thing as saying "not as smart." The women are smart, they just haven't been educated as much, nor did they grow up wacthign ballets and operas.

But beauty? Aye, they are gorgeous.

And they are not all "Latino" looking, either. I had a date with a drop dead gorgeous blonde while I was there.

Also, they are reputed to being "the friendliest people on earth." You can take hat however you will...

I filed a trip report on the latin board back when I was in Sao Paulo. I think that there are challenges, but Brazil remains a great untapped country. The woman are VERY interested in American men, the scam rates are exceedingly low, and they seem like wonderful women.

I was there searching, as I said, when Victoria found me... Or, I very well might have found my wife there...

If you are interested in the full trip report, I probably have a copy of it somewhere. It was much different, of course, from my trip report to Kiev, since I didn't find "the one" there...

... in response to Brazil, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

I briefly scanned brazilgirls.com, and I came away very unimpressed.  Maybe I didn't spend enough time looking, but I really didn't find more than 1 in 20 (that's being generous) that I would call attractive.  Whereas whenever I peruse sites like Anastasia, I find that the ratio of attractive girls (for me) is more like 7 out of 10.

Now that may be misleading if they are all scammers and are therefore 'unavailable', but at least the ratio is high enough to make it worthwhile to even look for a woman there.  The brazilgirls site was like looking for a needle in a haystack (for me).

Hey! I guess that's why I married an RW!

Stevo

... in response to Ok, this isn't directed at you in any wa..., posted by Stevo on Sep 18, 2002

I had looked at quite a few of the latin sites but I found very few women very attractive..  Maybe you have to be there, I don't know.  But I relate exactly to what you say on this..

Oscar

... in response to Ok, this isn't directed at you in any wa..., posted by Stevo on Sep 18, 2002

Well, there are something like 1000 women on the Brazilgrils site... so it takes awhile. (I also went and looked and the first ten pages or so didn't thrill me either... I would agree with your assessment...)

Back when I was watching it daily, some days, there would be a page with 8 women of which 5 were very hot... somedays nothing.

But, to me that was about the same I experienced on Russian sites. When I would look through Scannas new books there were maybe 8 out of fifty that usually interested me -- though some weeks were better than others.

And... if you remove the scammers from some of the Russian sites, you have very little left at the end of the day...

But, yes, everyone has their own tastes.

The best looking women I saw in Brazil weren't on the site, anyway... they were in the clubs and the streets.

And if you didn't come up to them... they would come up to you.

... in response to Re: Ok, this isn't directed at you in an..., posted by MarkInTx on Sep 18, 2002

Just like in the FSU where many are not very religious, 99% of the women from South America are going to be Catholic.  If you don't happen to be Catholic, I am wondering if this could present much of a problem??

Oscar

... in response to Thee is also the "Catholic" fa..., posted by Oscar on Sep 18, 2002

Not Really.

And... is catholic any more difficult that Russian Orthodox?

... in response to Re: Thee is also the "Catholic"..., posted by MarkInTx on Sep 18, 2002

If a woman is Russian Orthodox but goes once a year (as many there do), it has not presented much of a problem, at least not to men I have spoken to with women from the FSU.  Some of my family are Catholic and it is a VERY big deal to them!  I know that for many Latin and South American women, it is also a very big deal..  I have nothing against the Catholic Church at all, my sister and her family are Catholic, but I think that the Latin and South American countries being like 98% Catholic bears some consideration and religion would be a definite thing you would want to discuss in depth with these women so there would be no "surprises"..

... in response to Yes Mark-, posted by Oscar on Sep 18, 2002

My experience is that the women in both the FSU and SOB are looking to the man for leadership. Every woman I dated was willing to follow my lead for the family religion -- as long as I had one. The wanted a good moral man. They didn't care so much what church that meant we went to.

If a woman is a devout Catholic, it could pose a problem. But, don't kid yourself, if she is a devout Orthodox, it will cause even MORE problems. At least Catholicism celebrates the same Christmas, and Easter!

Most "Catholics" SOB are about as devout as the Orthodox in the FSU... or at least that has been my experience.

And, not ALL ladies in Brazil are Catholic by a long shot.

While I was there, I dated an Evangelical (the fastest growing denomination in the FSU) and a Presbyterian.

I mean... I'm not telling you to ditch your lady from Ukraine and run off to Brazil... Obviously, I am marrying a Ukrainian woman and am very happy about it.

But I think that someone who has said: "I will go anywhere in the world for my wife..." and then limits "the world" to a small section near Russia is making a big mistake.

That also includes other areas...

I mean... what is the search about? Are you after a Russian woman? Or a beautiful woman who shares your values?

If the former... then of course, you should only look in the FSU.

If the latter... you should at least CONSIDER other countries...

IMHO

... in response to Catholic vs. Orthodox, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 18, 2002

Mark-

You ask- "what is the search about? Are you after a Russian woman? Or a beautiful woman who shares your values?"

I will answer by saying that I was after a RW (well, UW!) who shares my values!  That's why I went there!

I have dated women from many places Mark- Canada, Sweden, Norway, Ireland and was married to a woman from Switzerland!  So I think I have hardly been myopic in my openness to other cultures!  I have a lot of formal education (for whatever it's worth!) and the women from the FSU have more of that than most other areas I have found, they also typically love the Arts, which are also a great love of mine.  So I was looking for some beginning common ground and found it.  I am also most attracted physically to FSU women.  I am just not attracted to most of the Latin/South American women I have seen or see on the web sites.  Yes, the religion thing scares me as the Catholics I know (including some of my own family) are very specific about not marrying out of the Church and it does not help that an aquaintance of mine who is married to a Brazilian woman is told constantly by her that unless he joins the Catholic Church, their marriage will never be recognized by God!  Now I know this is only one woman but...

I think your experience has either been quite unique with women in regards to religion or else you have had some woment that have not been very honest with you.  I found that in the FSU it was often an issue!  More than a few women there I met said they would never go to Church, there or in the USA and were quite atheistic, and some others who were very Orthodox who said they could not marry if the man were not baptized Orthodox first!  But as I recall, I didn't think you actually met that many women in the FSU (I could be wrong and it is NOT meant as a slam).  I met probably at last 125 women there and I often did feel it was an important issue, from my experience.

So, I have experienced women from other countries, (you can't go to every single one of them), and I found that I felt most comfortable with the FSU ladies..  I don't see anything wrong with that.  I searched there for a LONG time before finding a woman that for me, was the kindest, most sincere and that I had the most in common with of all the women I met there, which was a lot... and yes, I also think she's beautiful! ;-)

... in response to Yes Mark-, posted by Oscar on Sep 18, 2002

Oscar, your advice about talking so that there are no surprises needs to be engraved on a hammer and pounded into everyone's head.

My wife, who is Brazilian, is Catholic and I talked about this very early as we were getting to know each other so there wasn't any confusion about where we are at.  The differences were not an issue in our case.  Knowing what I know now, after having lived in Brazil, I would be more concerned if she were (Evangelical) Christian.  But like you say, it is an issue that needs to be discussed in depth to make sure you are both comfortable with each other's beliefs.  I think there are more questions that people should be asking each other as well, this is just one.

... in response to Good Advice and not limited  to Brazilia..., posted by HappyInBrazil on Sep 18, 2002

Yes, it has nothing to do with "Catholicism", it's just when people are quite active in a certain religion, it really does need to be discussed IN DEPTH!  But then so do finances, raising children, SEX (frequency AND style, some people are into S&M and some are not!!), in-laws, time spent together and apart etc..  Many guys do end up finding a hottie and just HOPE the rest will fall into place..  Often this is not the case.

... in response to Re: Good Advice and not limited  to Braz..., posted by Oscar on Sep 18, 2002

It would be nice to see a good thread on all the sorts of things to consider as topics that should be discussed out.

One of the ones I found interesting was the question about what would you do if we couldn't have kids together.  I see some people here in the US take things to extremes.  And also, seeing some of people's strong views about how important it was that the kids be theirs biologically.

Every once in a while, my wife and I will have a good conversation that was the result of some topic that came up here.

... in response to Brazil, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

Mark,

Do you have any stats on the ratio of men to women in Brazil? My friend tells me there are significantly more women compared to men.

He was referring to San Paulo.

... in response to Re: Brazil, posted by thesearch on Sep 18, 2002

I used to know the exact numbers... There is an online paper for Brazil that was useful.

Your friend is right. As in Russia, the women outnumber the men in Brazil. (I think it is by a few million if I remember correctly. Don't forget though, Brazil is a VERY large country... statistics vary as you go to different regions...)

The Brazilian men are not all drunkards, but they do seem to think fidelity is a quaint notion, and only "restful now and then..." Most think nothing of having a mistress on the side. It is very common, and this is the most compelling reason that the women want to marry an American. I met several well respected executives who all had mistresses. And I mean that they had pictures of them on their desks. It was not hidden at all.

One night, an executive at a VERY respectable "consulting" firm (you'd recognize the name if I dropped it) took a couple of the guys from my company to a "club". This wasn't a strip club. This was a dinner club with high class hookers visiting the tables. ($75 cover charge.  No one stripped there. But $300 got you "whatever you wanted". She would leave with you...)

I didn't go, but the guys who went told me that it was almost impossible to believe. The women were college eductated, spoke English, and looked like super models. This place knew the guy by name. He frequents it a lot, and thinks nothing of it. And, yes, he was married.

It is this "Men Rule" attitude that the women in Brazil are tired of.

Men's Journal magazine did a cover story on Brazil back in August I believe. The guy who wrote the article observed much of what I did. He called it the world's best kept secret for men.

The woman, on the whole, have a better overall standard of living (especially in Sao Paulo) than women in Ukraine... but they work very hard. Not just the women. 60 hour workweeks are common in Sao Paulo.

It is not every woman who wants to Marry an American and leave, of course. But there are a lot.

And Americans are usually looked upon favorably in Brazil.

The women were all very sweet. I think it would be very easy to be married to a Brazilian. They are very easy-going.

They are NOT your typical "Latina". In fact, they do not consider themselves Latinas at all.  They are not from Latin America. They are from South America.

... in response to Re: Re: Brazil, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 18, 2002

Thanks Mark for the information. Your words are mirroring my friends.

... in response to Brazil, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

How's this for "generalities"...

In general, the women in Brazil are:

Friendlier
Less-Educated
Weigh a little more
Have better azzes
Have better teeth
Have MUCH lower incidence of scamming

As for accents: The Portuguese accent is cuter, and the Russian accent is sexier...

How's that?

YMMV, of course

... in response to PS, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 18, 2002

pretty good list  Mark.

I will check that site out. However, I lean toward women who are more educated slender women but, like you say, there are beautiful women all over the world.

My friend seems to think that Brazilian women are well balanced, caring and loyal.

... in response to Re: PS, posted by thesearch on Sep 18, 2002

Well, mind you, the women are not FAT.

Incredibly, I saw VERY few obese people the whole time I was in Sao Paulo.

The women tend to fill out a little, but they don't get fat.

And... I can't explain the Azz thing, since I am not an "azz man"... but I became one for ten days.

Lordy, Lordy, was it something to watch the women walk down the streets in the "J.Lo" pants.

I'm told the sights are even better in Rio... (And I'm also told that to find a wife it is better to travel north...)

... in response to Re: Re: PS, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 18, 2002

My friend has a very young Brazilian wife. She is very sweet and attractive. He is planning on moving back to Brazil when he retires.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: PS, posted by thesearch on Sep 18, 2002

What are their ages, if I may ask?

When I was there, the lady who I got most serious with was 26. That was a problem only with me.

She expressed concern that I was much *younger* than most men who wrote her. (She thought she might be too old for me!)

She thought the age difference was meaningless...

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: PS, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 18, 2002

I hate to even post it Mark. He is 53 and she is 20.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PS, posted by greg2 on Sep 18, 2002

Oh God!  33 years difference in age.

Maybe girls from Brazil are so much more mature that American women?

Or, maybe yet, there are also Brazilian scam girls?

... in response to Back From Kiev, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

Thanks for posting this mini report. There are lots of us who hang on every believable shred that comes back from Ukr. I too am one who hesitates to post because of the crazies who hang around...If the spirit moves you, some of us would like to hear more!

... in response to Re: Back From Kiev, posted by rojak on Sep 17, 2002

Thanks Rojak.

I'm really not going to spend the time to write a full report (I don't think anyone understands how much time that actually takes...)

But if something else occurs to me, I'll be posting the thought...

... in response to Back From Kiev, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

.

... in response to Hey Mark, did you use Luda to get a flat..., posted by Oscar on Sep 17, 2002

I need to get to bed... but I will answer this one before I go...

Yes, Luda was terrific. I had a flat in downtown Kiev for $35 a night. Walking distance to some great spots.

Luda picked Victoria up, and brought her to the airport to greet me. (Even waited discreetly to the side until the initial greeting part was finished...)

She was very nice, and the apartment was first rate. (The only problem was the bed was too small! It was EXACTLY as tall as I am, which is problematic for someone who sleeps on his back. It wouldn't have mattered so much if there were no footboard, but I really couldn't sleep on my back the whole time I was there...) But a savings of almost $50 a night was considerable!

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend her to anyone. Thanks for the tip!

(BTW, she says you were one of her nicest clients, and she wishes you the best...)

... in response to Re: Hey Mark, did you use Luda to get a ..., posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

Hi Mark I'm new to the board, I will be going to Kiev in November and would like to contact Luda for an apartment.  If you could tell me how to contact her it would help me in my plans.  I tried to search but was unable to find her e-mail.  Thanks.

... in response to Re: Re: Hey Mark, did you use Luda to ge..., posted by Varts on Sep 18, 2002

Thanks Mark, my e-mail is Vizarts8@aol.com

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Hey Mark, did you use Luda t..., posted by Varts on Sep 18, 2002

n/t

... in response to You've Got mail    n/t, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 18, 2002

I would be interested in the contact information also, if  you don't mind sharing one more time.  My email address is in my profile.

... in response to Re: You've Got mail    n/t, posted by Alfred on Sep 18, 2002

n/t

... in response to Re: Re: Hey Mark, did you use Luda to ge..., posted by Varts on Sep 18, 2002

Sure thing.

I'd be happy to send you her contact information...

What's your email address?

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Hey Mark, did you use Luda t..., posted by MarkInTx on Sep 18, 2002

Hey, Mark, I'm also a nubie to the site.  If the trip to Lugansk is too much trouble, I may need a Kiev option.  Would you feel comfortable giving me Luda's email, even though I'm you neighbor in Louisiana?

... in response to Re:   me, too!, posted by rwnovice on Sep 18, 2002

I think I should probably just publish her info... but there are so many wackos who might harrass her, I hate to do that...

Give me your email address, and I'll send it to you.

BTW, guys, Oscar gave me her info first, so you can also pester him for the address ;-)

... in response to Louisiana??  Hmmmm... There ARE limits....., posted by MarkInTx on Sep 18, 2002

Thanks.  tguillory@cox.net

... in response to Re: Hey Mark, did you use Luda to get a ..., posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

.

... in response to Back From Kiev, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

Hey welcome back...  just curious but was there any trouble getting in and out with your wife... I guess you filed and got all the paperwork..  I didnt apply for it when we applied for aos back in January... wish I had now...

Anyway,,, as our former president use to say " I feel your pain" concerning the board... but there are still some great guys here and still lots of good info... try to ignore the nonsense...

Yes, most generalities concerning women from fsu are just that though I do have to say that my wife does have a few superstitions (husbands are NOT to whistle in the house!! ), has me wearing "home shoes" inside like she does and though she doesnt drink much vodka- I think it is because nothing would compare to the homemade vodka her dad makes in her summerhome in a village in Ukraine...

all the best,

Keith

... in response to Re: Back From Kiev, posted by keithandkatya on Sep 17, 2002

Heya Keith,

One thing I didn't make clear: Victoria is still in Ukraine. She isn't here yet, unfortunately, so I can't tell you what it is like to get in and out with a wife.

I hope to have that problem next year this time (smile)

One other thing that Victoria said that I found interesting...

We were eating lunch and having some Juice with it (naturally). I made the comment: "You really can't find juice like this in America. You will miss this when you come there. I hear that the women from your country miss the juice when they come to America."

She was silent for a moment and then said: "The women cannot miss it."

"Why?"

"Because it is very expensive. We very rarely drink it. I only bought it because you were coming."

Of course, she is from Kherson... but still that surprised me. I thought it was a daily staple. She said that coffee, tea and water were the daily staples.

She did have the habit of taking all of the drinks out of the refrigerator one hour before meal times so they would be properly warmed.

It was bad enough when she did that with juice... but one meal she wanted to surprise me with Coca-cola for the beverage. Warm Coke.... Yummmm... Thanks honey!

... in response to Back From Kiev, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

No trip report? Now you are beginning to sound bitter. Glad to hear you had a great time. Avoid if you can Heathrow at all costs. Heathrow and Gatwick handles over 40 million passengers a year and are extremely overcrowded. Plans are afoot to extend and build new runways but thats another 3 years at least.You are right about Brazil,I'll go for the babes in Bikini on the beaches of Rio any time. But if you want beauty and brains go to the FSU. I'm not saying the the Brazilians are dumb however.

... in response to come on Mark......., posted by Cold Warrior on Sep 17, 2002

More tired of it than bitter...

I'm coming down to the end of my journey. Just a couple of months and my lady will be here. Once that happens, I will be an infrequent visitor.

So, the "new guys" need to step up and decide what kind of a board they want to have.

Patrick is just the moderator.

The content, for better or for worse, belongs to us.

When I think of all of the guys I know who don't or won't post here -- guys who have a lot of experience to share but are tired of the BS--, I think its a shame.

But it doesn't affect me any more... I Have my lady.

I feel bad for the guys still searching...

As for Brazil vs FSU... I've said it before -- it's not a question of beauty... ladies are beautiful teh world over. Truly. The women from the FSU generally seem to be more classically educated. But that doesn't appeal to everyone.

If I were a work all week, drink beer and watch the game on weekends kind of a guy, I would be looking south of the border, not north of it. They would porbably appreciate that lifestyle more than someone who grew up reading Tolstoy, and watching ballet.

BTW, I thought Gatwick was a pretty good little airport. AA flies to there direct from DFW, on a 777 which is always nice...

... in response to come on Mark......., posted by Cold Warrior on Sep 17, 2002

If not how should one interpret that    :)

... in response to Back From Kiev, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 17, 2002

Welcome back home...