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Just a quick update about happenings.  I called Joy this morning and we talked for a little while.  It's too early to tell what might yet become of this, but I think I'll be calling her more often.  I think we need to learn more about each other as well as exchange more photos.  It's nice that she has a phone because it can make communication more consistent.  If I get serious with her, I'll have to get on the best possible calling budget.  My 600 minute AT&T Sam's Club card which I bought for about $23 is good for 75 minutes in the Philippines.

She said it's windy in Cebu, and she'd watched the movie "Halloween".  We do have difficulty understanding each other's English.  We were both actually about to get ready for work.  She works the 10-2 shift at Saturn Electronics, and i try to be at work at 9:00 AM.

Well, I try not to let Lagarda bring down my hopes and spirits.  By the grace of God and his mercy, all of us will find what we want and need so long as the intentions are good.

- Kevin

... in response to Some morning joy., posted by kevin on Feb 28, 2002

That's great news, Kevin. Not understanding each other's language isn't necessarily a bad thing. You'll get there. Early in my relationship with my non-English speaking wife we had lots of misunderstandings but persisted. Serious discussions and even arguments were conducted with each of us flipping through dictionaries to try to get our points across. This acted to slow down the whole process and to defuse much emotion making these discussions far less bitter than they would have been had we both been fluent in one of our two langiages.

-- Jeff S.

... in response to Some morning joy., posted by kevin on Feb 28, 2002

Is saturn electronics on Mactan ?

... in response to Re: Some morning joy., posted by Humabdos on Feb 28, 2002

Yes it is.

- Kevin

... in response to Re: Re: Some morning joy., posted by kevin on Mar 1, 2002

Did Carl and velma hook you up with her? Humabdos

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Some morning joy., posted by Humabdos on Mar 1, 2002

Yes.  Joy is a best friend of Vemila from Saturn Electronics.  I was originnally introduced to her in November 2000.  We exchanged a couple of e-mails, but then I never heard from her again.  At the same time, I was introduced to Analyn and then got serious with Analyn.

Well, I think you probably know the story about Analyn.  It was a counterfeit courtship right from Day 1.  The truth of the matter is that she had a regular, pinoy boyfriend while she was corresponding with me and telling me that she loved me.  About a year ago, I introduced her to friends on e-mail.  Well, she told one that she loved her boyfriend but had to make a choice.  She was hoping that I could "give her the good life" in America.  As time passed, some friends tried to throw hints that Analyn was not right for me and that I should move on, but they were afraid to tell me what they knew.  At the same time, I kept in touch with Vemila and Carl, and they thought from what Analyn said to them, that she really truly loved me.  although Iglisia ni Cristo could have been an issue, I now know it's irrelevant as to why the relationship could have no merit.  As time passed on, the writing was really on the wall about the real Analyn.  Remember, talk is cheap.  I send her resources to support our correspondence, including money and disposable cameras.  I even sent her a nice 35 mm camera with a package of film as a birthday gift in October.  Yet, I did not receive ANY new pictures of her since March 2001.  There were too many long gaps between e-mails and unanswered questions.  By December 2001, I realized I had better move on for my own good.  With Analyn it was either dead-end, or the tributaries of Heartbreak and Bankruptcy Rivers.

After I ended it with Analyn, my friends told me the truth of what they knew.  I have peace of mind that 1) I did not sell my future down the river, and 2) that there's no need to fee3l one ayota of guilt or remorse that I just might have broken her heart by ending it.

I keep in touch with Carl & Vemila.  I like them both, and I really hope it is a real, valid, loving relationship.  Time will reveal the true credibility of the relationship.  Vemila said she did not know Analyn that well, and perhaps she changed.  Anyways, I asked about other friends.  For one thing, I was kept up-to-date about the wherabouts of Joy.  Joy does not have a boyfriend.  Vemila told me that I should call Joy and that she likes surprises.

I don't know at this point where things will lead with Joy.  But so far, Joy seems to be a very nice girl.  I think it's best to get to know her among other pen-pals or pinays-in-person until I feel I'm ready to be serious with somebody.  As for writing and e-mailing, I'm kind of busy for that because of school, but if there is somebody that I feel is worth my while, I will correspond.  I prefer to be introduced by somebody that knows somebody (and knows about the person) rather than rely on commercial pen-pal agencies.  The Lagarda rhetoric really has me discouraged, but my heartfelt hopes are to find and know love someday regardless of the method that our paths might cross.

Tomorrow, I'm going to a Filipino birthday party.  I'd really be delighted if I meet somebody there whom I like who would be interested in courtship with me.  Well, maybe I'll meet somebody who knows somebody, even if it originates with correspondence.

- Kevin

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Some morning joy., posted by kevin on Mar 1, 2002

Kevin,

You probably don’t want to hear this, but I think it’s important that you do and nobody else seems willing to say it. Please consider this as constructive criticism and not flames.

After this last post of yours and several recent ones, I think you have a big problem in your relationships with the opposite sex. I don’t consider myself an expert on the subject, but there are some things that I have learned over the years that I will share with you.

It is considered rude and ungentlemanly to trash a lady’s reputation in public, especially when she doesn’t even have the means to defend herself. I don’t know Analyn except from what you have posted here, but I don’t think she deserves the treatment that you are inflicting upon her on this forum. Remember that hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world read your messages here. You have posted Analyn’s name, her place of employment, and even her photograph here for the entire world to see. Then you disparaged her character and that of her family, and even her religious beliefs. You have as much as called her a liar, a cheat, a gold digger, a green card shark, etc., in front of the whole world. Now I ask you, is that something that a gentleman would do? I think not. Irregardless of what you think this woman has done to you, please be a gentleman and keep it to yourself. I think you have trashed her enough on this board and others, but I can see that you are not ever going to let this die. You will be back here again and again to blame this woman for your failed relationship just as you continue to do with your ex-wife.

Now just what exactly did Analyn do deserve al this spiteful hate-speech? Her brother asked for a cell phone and she didn’t disown him? You sent her a camera and she didn’t send you any pictures? She went too long without writing to you? She worships in the wrong religion? Her friends called you a cheapskate? She encourages you in your studies because you will be able to make more money someday. That doesn’t exactly sound like an evil criminal to me.

You say she probably thought you could give her a chance at a better life. Is that so terrible? You say you want a beautiful young woman for your wife and she has hope for a better life with you-sounds like a reasonable starting point to build a relationship on to me. Your accusations that she never loved you and that she had a regular boy friend are based on second-hand gossip. The fact of the matter is most likely that you don’t know any of this for sure, yet you present it here as the truth and blab it to the world. Were you officially engaged to her? Did she have a ring and a date? Have you even met her in person? So, is it fair to expect that she devote her life to you in the hope that someday you might even go to visit her? Is it reasonable that she should put her life on hold and wait years for you to make up your mind about her? Did she owe you her undying love and fidelity based on your correspondence? Be reasonable. If you were seriously interested in her and wanted a deeper commitment, you would have been on a plane long ago. I think you expected too much from her but were unwilling to make any commitment yourself. You expected her to wait forever until you decided if you were truly interested. Sounds rather selfish from here.

You claimed that you loved this woman, but all I hear in your recent posts is hatred. You claim that you have already “moved on”, but you keep bringing this stuff up again and again. If you have truly “moved on”, then you will be able to wish this woman well in her future life and stop dwelling on the past and speculating on what her true motives were. For whatever reason, it didn’t work out, simple as that.

My advice, for what it’s worth: leave this woman in peace and get on with your life. And for your new friend in Cebu, please respect her enough to leave the details of her personal life out of your discussions here before someone else gets hurt.

Just my $.02,

Ray

... in response to Free Advice, posted by Ray on Mar 1, 2002

n/t

... in response to Free Advice, posted by Ray on Mar 1, 2002


I read this post more carefully.  I shall try to keep my cool.  Perhaps I overreacted because of past posts before.

Anyways, you're talking about gentlemanly ways and trashing people.  In no way did I intend to trash anybody.  I just tried to say things matter-of-factly based on my experience, observations and evidence.  Short of having had a private investigator, there remains the very slight possibility I was mistaken.

I think this was a learning experience for me in my trail of life as I continue to navigate towards a place called love.  At some point, I realized I was on the wrong course and had to change directions.  If anything, I feel that i deserve to be commended for seeing things as they probably 99% were, rather than persuing this thing blindly.  From time-to-time as I read these boards, I see guys jumping into things blindly and rationalizing why this or that happens.  Personally (pardon me if this might be construed as gossip), I see somebody on Mag-Anak who has visa-related problems.  Personally I think there is something deeper in the picture than what he wants to believe, but her rationalizes every action and event.  Alot of posters have tried to open his eyes, but I think he's in the state of denial.  But the saying goes is that "Where there is smoke, there is fire."  If there is smoke without fire, it means that a fire is in the making (like the burning rubber on a short circuited wire).

I don't know what else to say at the moment.

- Kevin

... in response to I cooled off., posted by kevin on Mar 1, 2002

So you really feel that you deserve to be commended? Commended for what Kevin?

I don’t think you have learned a thing from this last experience. I suspect that you will keep making the same mistakes over and over and you will keep blaming the poor woman for all of your failures. I don't think that you are capable of having a loving relationship until you stop and take a deep look at yourself.

The really sad part of this all is that you will probably ruin another woman’s life while you continue to live in denial. This is just my opinion, but I think that anyone who tries to set you up with a friend or relative is just plain crazy.

Ray (the jerk, cruel spirited, sick, full of s**t, demeaning crab know-it-all). Gee, did I miss anything?

... in response to I Don't Think So, posted by Ray on Mar 2, 2002

Hey Ray,

I think you left out "Guano Eating Bat Humper." Whoops, sorry! I think that was from the Spelunker Forum. ;o))

Dave H.

... in response to I Don't Think So, posted by Ray on Mar 2, 2002

Ray,
you can say what you want to say or think what you want to think about me.  I know who I am and what I want out of life.  You are a sick  bas*ar*!  I did not say or do anything to solicit your cruel, off-color remarks.  Then you accuse me of being bad to poor, innocent women.

Seeing that you're so pompous and righteous, take a good look at yourself.  You seem to take pleasure at putting words in my mouth and assaulting my character.
Oh, what you've accusded me of doing, you're doing to me.  But in your eyes, I know I'm subhuman.

Ray, I've basically been upbeat until you come and attack me.  Attack me for what?  I used to like you.  I even thought you were funny.  Yet I could never feel comfortable around you for fear that I might say the wrong thing.  But no matter what, you'll always find something, an excuse, to attack me.  The more I've learned about you and your true colors, the more the reason I have to dislike you.

I'll say it again.  I started an upbeat post.  Humabdos asks me a question.  I tell him things that happened.  Then you come and start attacking me.  You tell me that I'm no good, etc.  You try to tell me that I don't have a place in any woman's heart.  Ray, I'm at my wit's end!  Perhaps it's time for you to look elsewhere to find a cat toy.  I've had enough, and I hope I wear you out.

- Kevin

... in response to Re: I Don't Think So, posted by kevin on Mar 2, 2002

Oh, don’t be so dramatic Kevin. You hope you “wear me out”? You can’t stand any criticism yet you are allowed to repeatedly trash some woman’s reputation on this forum and nobody better dare say anything or you’ll go berserk and call them names until you “wear them out”?

O.K. Kevin, you go right ahead and call me all the names you can think of. But if I think that you’re wrong then I’ll say so. You may silence others with your tactic of trying to “wear them out” with name calling when they disagree with you, but I’ll still be here.

What you consider an upbeat post may be just another insulting attack to others. Your view of the world isn’t the only one out there Kevin, so don’t take every differing opinion as a personal attack. It only makes you look silly. I think you should stand back and take a good look at who is really making personal attacks here. Please read your responses again and then tell us that I am the one “attacking” you.

Ray

... in response to Re: Re: I Don't Think So, posted by Ray on Mar 2, 2002

How can you say that I'm repeated trying to trash somebody's reputation?  The paradox is that it sure looks like you're trying to trash mine.

When I say something, I stand by what I beleive in.  I speak what I've witnessed or experienced.  Your heart is filled with malice and contempt.  You see me as a puppet to try to intimidate and make feel dumbfounded.  Even when I'm down, you are not going to kick the vigor and hope out of me.

By the way, Crab, I have not said anything negative about relationships in a long time.  But it seems from time-to-time you try to slip in a condescending remark about me.

So I started an upbeat string.  I expressed myself.  Humabdos asks me a question.  I gave him a matter-of-fact answer.  It was a real experience and I think if I share it with others, I can help prevent other's from this particular negative angle regarding the correspondence route.  It was an embarrassment for me.  Why should I even give a hoot about her reputation, by saying what I went through.  I'm the one that was fooled.  Smirk, Ray, smirk!  Smile until your heart is content.  You love every piece of my shortcomings so you can polish your own ego.

Who started this war?  You did!  What did I ever do to you to deserve this kind of treatment from you?  Nothing!  I try to get along with everybody, but you have put my back up against the wall.  In you're eyes, no matter what I say or do, however positive it might be, you'll try to put me down.

Sit on your high horse and glorify your righteous self!

- Kevin

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I Don't Think So, posted by kevin on Mar 2, 2002

Well Kevin, I guess you just answered your own question.

“Why should I even give a hoot about her reputation…”. You just made my original point. It’s easy for you to come on this forum and say anything you like about this young lady when she isn’t here to defend herself. You can ruin her reputation on the Internet and SHE is the one that has to live with the damage you have done, not YOU. This isn’t about YOU Kevin, it’s about the people you hurt with your hateful remarks.

Let me ask you this: how long do you intend to continue making negative remarks about this lady? Is it your intention to make sure that the whole world knows about the evil Analyn, so that she will never again be able to “make a fool” of someone else? Why can’t you just drop it? Humbados didn’t ask you about your ex-girlfriend, but you saw another opportunity to throw a few more stones. You say that you are over it and moving on? It sure doesn’t look that way to me. Why can’t you let it drop? Haven’t you said enough about her already?

And what’s this garbage about starting a war Kevin? I believe that YOU are the one who started the personal attacks with your foul language and petty insults. If you think that you can draw me into some kind of name-calling “war” with your insults, forget it. I don’t think that you are capable of a rational discussion about how your negative comments might effect the lives of another person. All you can see is someone attacking YOU. You think it’s always about YOU. You seem to believe that you are allowed to attack anyone here with any kind of filthy language you choose to use, but someone else better not dare to question anything that Kevin says. Sounds very one-sided to me.

Now you can continue to attack this lady’s reputation if it makes you feel better. But you can also be sure that you will hear from me. So, it’s up to you Kevin. Do want a rational debate, or do you just want to sling more mud? Your choice…

Ray

... in response to Her Reputation, posted by Ray on Mar 2, 2002

Well, you can continue to spread lies and rumors about me on this board with your venomous tounge.  You continue to drive a false point that my mission is to wantonly and deliberately ruin some sweet innocent victim's reputation.

Every thing I have ever said, you take and twist way, way out of proportion.  I'll say it again.  I said things as to what they were and what I experienced.  You paint a picture of me as if I'm out on some mission to destroy a person.  Ray you are a liar!  You are up to no good.  If you attack me, I will fight.

I'm a good person with a good heart.  The last thing I need is whebn somebody deliberately assaults my character, like what you are doing.  There is nothing like being accused, painted in a bad light, for something that you did not do.  Someday you will get your karma.  I just can't hold back my anger.  All I can say is that if you do not like me, why not just let me be.

- Kevin

... in response to Re: Her Reputation, posted by kevin on Mar 2, 2002

I guess you are only capable of more name-calling. Now why don't you go take a break before you explode...

Ray

... in response to Free Advice, posted by Ray on Mar 1, 2002


I'll finish reading your post when I cool off.  I hope you feel gratified that you have aroused my passions.

I was just telling things as I experienced.  Yo come around and attack my very dignit.  You are one JERK, I'm sure you always have been and I'm sure you always will be.

There's absolutely no reason for you to attack me the wy you did.  You are a cruel spirited person, and I'm not just referring to your personal attacks against me.  I've seen you attack others before for 1) either no valid reason, or 2) to make fun of one's weakness (it's probably better that I don't go into detail on that.

So I trashed Analyn, huh!  You are a sick man, Ray!  You twist things far, far out of context.  I have the right to not be afraid to speak my mind.  Look, facts were revealed to me.  Why should I give a patootie about whether or not I might be infringing upon her dignity.  You are full of s**t!  This is supposed to be a forum where I should not be afraid to discuss my experiences.  The facts are, there were revelations about Analyn.  Analyn made a fool of me.  So should she be praised and rewarde for it?  Aw, isn't that a shame that I called it quits, huh!

You have the crab mentality.  You try to put me down and you hope to keep me down.  I gather that from your demeaning statement.  Well, you may upset me, but I'm not going to put myself in a particular place just because you think I ought to be there.

Ray, you think you're Mr. Know-it-all!  I don't know what else to say at the moment.

Jerk!

- Kevin

... in response to Ray . . ., posted by kevin on Mar 1, 2002

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... in response to Oh No!  --- Here we go again!!! n/t, posted by Jimbo on Mar 1, 2002

Jim,

I know what you mean! I spend the whole day putting the motor back in my car, come inside and wash my hands, eat some dinner and now this... I missed the whole thing! I need to get beeped for this stuff. I'm so friggin' tired, I'm going to take another shower and go to bed.

Dave H.

... in response to What the hey!, posted by Dave H on Mar 1, 2002

Did that motor turn over?  Steve 'Muscle Car' G will be proud of you!  At least you didn't dip into your Philippine trip fund for a new one like Humabdos.  You'll get more dives in on your trip than he just did.  If he made less than 5 dives (and I'll bet he did) then he is DEFINITELY in LOVE :o)))

Jim

... in response to Good Morning Dave, posted by Jimbo on Mar 2, 2002

Hi Jim,

I broke the motor mounts and my engine was jumping around. Fortunately the hood was closed so it didn't get out. ;o))) I'm not going to tell you how big the motor is or Steve G. will laugh and never believe another thing I say. ;o)) Let's just say it's a 'Half-Muscle Car'

I think Hum the only time Hum spent in the water was in the shower, on the ferry, the glass-bottom boat and in the tunnel of love. ;o)))

Dave H.

... in response to Almost!, posted by Dave H on Mar 2, 2002

...as long as it's at least 400 cubuic inches that is.  :)  And if it's over 500, you'll have my deepest most sincere respect forever!  Man, I am already dreaming of breaking the 600ci barrier.........  I'll show those rice burners on Nitrous what real power is!  heheheharharhahahehe  

 OK, I'll go cool down and try to get back to normal.
                               SteveG

... in response to Come on, Dave......I won't laugh - I PRO..., posted by SteveG on Mar 2, 2002

Hi Steve,

Make sure you're not eating or drinking.

I know what you mean about rice burners...my front tires don't last very long on my 97 Chevy Cavalier Z-24,  2.4L. 2392ci. Quad 4 OK...I'll wait for you to stop laughing and catch your breath... It has ram air, but few other modifications. I can spin the wheels to the red line in first and even get a short chirp in 3rd gear. Ok...are you done laughing? ;o)) I have had "real" cars in the past...several high performance Mustangs, a Camaro, a Porsche and BMW. I currently have a McClaren (no the cheap 5.0 Ford Motor Co conversion LOL).

The story: Late one night, my friend pulled up next to me at a traffic light in his blown Ford Lightning P/U ($25,000+ in performance modifications). When the light turned green, we both punched it. He was in front of me for a few moments...until he blew up his transmission. As we (my boys and I) passed through his smoke, my car started making one heck of a racket, but reached the next light (1/2 mile) first. I was able to make it home and it was fairly quiet at low rpm.  Having 75 miles left on my extended warranty, I took it to the dealer the next day. I spun the crank shaft and broke two piston rods. Reluctantly, they rebuilt the engine, since I had documentation of regular oil changes and ran synthetic oil. So much for Prolong Engine Treatment (No, I didn't tell them). They also replaced a drive shaft, water pump, and clutch. When I got the car back, it was still making a bit of a knocking sound when I shifted. I took it back several times to the dealer...but they were unable to solve the problem. Since they had recently bought the warranty company, they were never very happy to see me. ;o)) I told them that the motor seemed like it was falling out. They said the motor mounts were fine. No...they didn't remove the engine when they rebuilt it. Well...I drove it until I decided to check it for myself the other day. Fortunately I had cut way back on my lead foot. It turns out I snapped one front motor mount stud (still in place) and broke the mounting plate at another stud. Only one stud held the motor mount. I also replace the two transmission motor mounts, which were well worn. OK...try to catch your breath... ;o))) If I could fit 600ci sideways in the front, believe me, it would be there! ;o)))

Dave H.

... in response to Ok Steve, sit down..., posted by Dave H on Mar 2, 2002

Sorry Steve,

That was 2392 cc or 146 CID

Dave H.

... in response to Almost!, posted by Dave H on Mar 2, 2002

I only got to do two very nice dives at talikud Island with RGG and family. I did lot's of snorkeling over at Paradise beach resort. I was happy to see the reef and corals in very good shape being that close to Davao (lots of fish too). I had a really nice night snorkel with my dive light,  saw lots of things that only come out at night like shrimp,lion fish, crabs ect...

The dive master at paradise resort quit right before I got there so not much chance for diving. Sallie and I where able to spend 27 very nice days together. Wlang problema! Never had even a small disagreement except I walk to fast according to her.

We have new nick names Cheetah & Turtle

P.S. My truck runs really good with the new engine and RV cam!

... in response to Diving, posted by Humabdos on Mar 2, 2002

Hi Hum,

You're the man! The only time I got my feet wet was when it rained and in the shower. ;o)) It sounds like you had a great time all around. Nice to have you back...but I know you left your heart in the Philippines.

Dave H.

... in response to Oh No!  --- Here we go again!!! n/t, posted by Jimbo on Mar 1, 2002

Hey, now you've got me chuckling.  I did not intend to turn this into a circus.

- Kevin

... in response to Some morning joy., posted by kevin on Feb 28, 2002

It's nice to know that you are moving on. Every one deserves to be happy. Look at Hum & Howard, they are back in circulation again.

We wish you all the best.

Tess &

... in response to I want to be circulated...   n/t, posted by jon on Feb 28, 2002

Jon;

It was good to hear from you again.  You know, just last week I asked Tess if she had seen a post from you. I was wondering about you.

Hang in there.  Florida is a nice place.  You'll get a job. And you'll like it.

Stephen

PS.  Maybe you could get a job recounting votes.  Jessie Jackson seems to think there ought to be one.

... in response to Re: I want to be circulated...   n/t, posted by Stephen on Mar 1, 2002

Last time they recounted for him they counted one kid!!!

ha...

I lived here in 95/96, I know the drill

Jon

... in response to Re: I want to be circulated...   n/t, posted by Stephen on Mar 1, 2002

Last time they recounted for him they counted one kid!!!

ha...

I lived here in 95/96, I know the drill

Jon

... in response to Some morning joy., posted by kevin on Feb 28, 2002

Hi Kev,
     Like your self and Howard I hope for the best,
     this might be luck of the Irish.  I am orginally
     from Boston, now live in Seattle.I have read most
     of your posts,I like how you express yourself. The things you
     post and Howard has me help relate my twenty years of marriage.
     Being married so long you can get one sided.