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what  would  you  think  if  some  poster  attacked  me  and  your  agency  with  no  sound  proof  or  even  knowing  me?

A  friend  of  mine  has  visited  10  or  15  agencies  all  over  Ukraine  and  he  told  me  the  coolest  agency  owner  he  met  was  this  Dmitry  guy  in  Kharkov  as  this  guy  actually  met  all  the  girls  and  knew  which  birds  were  good  girls,  which  were  bimbos  etc.  END  OF  STORY

Now  I  do  not  recall  anybody  ever  trashing Dmitri's  agency  like  Mark  H  trashed  First  Dream  a few  months ago (fact)

or  a  Jack  client  claiming  he  was  a  "complete  liar"  claiming   he  made  $5  profits  on  flats when it was more (fact)

Recently  it was  insinuated  that  Kherson  Rose  was  somehow  dishonest  in  wanting  to  a  make  a  dollar  from  the  man  given  the  moniker  "Italian  Stallion".  Of  course  they  wanted  to  make  money  that  is  what  successful  businessses  do.  Anastasia  made  money  from  the  guy  selling  him  an  address,  this  Jack  guy  made  money  from  his  tour  (unless  of  course  he  was  helping  him  out  of  the  goodness  of  his heart?)  so  the  agency  who  actually  had  the  woman's  contact  number  should  supply  it  for  free  when  the  other  agents  could  not  deliver?????

No  matter  how  many  people  you  help  for  nothing  or  whose  bottom  you  lick  nobody  has  a  right  to  post  insults  here  to  other  posters  and  slander  competition.

... in response to Dear webmaster if I recommended your age..., posted by odeccaman1 on Apr 25, 2002

Odessaman, you would not want to be making false statements here, now would you?
You would not want to being making false allegiations now would you?

from questionable odessaman....Now I do not recall anybody ever trashing Dmitri's agency like Mark H trashed First Dream a few months ago (fact)

fact, or fiction odessman?

I see MarkH has already showed you that your statement was in error. From Marks post in January,..........I want to stop here and preface this email with the following statement, Jack Bragg and firstdream.com delivered all they said they would on this trip. I have no complaints with the service I received from firstdream.com and their employees.

fact or fiction odessaman?  I say your claim is fiction.
odessaman, does that sound like trashing Firstdream??  I am sure it does to you, because YOU would like to trash Firstdream as much as you can! Unfortunatly you have as much experience with FirstDream as you do with Dmitry.

from questionable odessman.....or a Jack client claiming he was a "complete liar" claiming he made $5 profits on flats when it was more (fact)

fact, as you say odessman, or fiction?

From Pete, the person you are referring to...

...By Pete Cruz (Petec) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 02:34 pm: Notice to the person posting as myself "Pete" above.
My post on the Planet-Love board referred to my dealings with Jack Braggs mother-in -law, not Jack Bragg himself.
For you to asume my identity and write on this subject as though you are me is very immature, childish, rude, and none of your business in the first place.
Whatever problems I may encounter with any individual or agency whilst looking for a Russian or Ukranian wife, are my problems and I am perfectly capable of handling them myself, without your unsolicited assistance.
Butt out where you do not belong!!
From my previous dealings with Jack Bragg, the only problem I had with his agency, he rectified the problem to my satisfaction in a timely manner.
Mind your own business!

fact or fiction odessaman?  I would say fiction again on your part. Where does Pete call me a complete liar as you say?

see odessaman, you were reading a post from our resident liar, Drew, who thought he saw another chance to slander me, so he became Pete (one of his 50 names) for his slnderous message.  The real Pete read liar Drews post and spoke up.

from questionable odessaman......Recently it was insinuated that Kherson Rose was somehow dishonest in wanting to a make a dollar from the man given the moniker "Italian Stallion".

fact, as you say odessman, or fiction?

Case in point,.......(drum roll)..............Kherson Pearls! Interesting little story here that developed this past October. A man from Italy that was on our last tour saw a beautiful looking lady in the Anastasia catalog, he wanted to meet this lady so he bought her address. This lady lived in Kherson and the Italian Stallion (as I called him) was going to be in Odessa

fact, or fiction odessman,....WHoaaaa, odessaman, Kherson Pearls, not Kherson Rose, ANOTHER fictional statement from you odessaman!!!  Three, so-called factional statements from you which turn out to be three fictional statements!!!

I know odessman, you would love to stomp me in the ground, and we could understand one frudulant slip on your part, but THREE out and out lies from YOU odessman!!!

... in response to Dear webmaster if I recommended your age..., posted by odeccaman1 on Apr 25, 2002

I"m honored to be revered on the site since I haven't posted much in the last 6 months to a year. Anyway, I didn't "trash" Firstdream agency. I said they provided everything they said they would provide. I simply stated they were "too small" for my taste buds and the selection was thin. My problems came from attacks from Jack, not his company. My problems were with Jack, let's get that straight. His people in Ukraine are good, very good. Jack will take great care of any and all clients. My situation with Jack was unique and should not be counted for or against his agency. He seems to do his best for people he deals with, however I do think he's a used car salesman! :)

Business is business, keep it on the straight and narrow and all should do fine. Also, one must be able to accept constructive criticism. I've been on this board for 3 years. I remember Jack Bragg's first posts around here and his beef with the Anastasia chick over taking chicks to McDonalds, trying to get into Socials for free, etc... Long time ago stuff. I've watched many people come and go as I've trudged through my anesthesia program for 29.5 months. I've watched MANY men meet, greet, get engaged, and get married.

It's been a nice trip, one I don't regret (watching other guys do it on the board). I've made 5 trips to FSU, never really able to bring a girl here because I was still in school. Now, graduation is 2 weeks away and I got the world by the cahones. I"m going back, I'm going to see for myself how some of these other agencies are. I may even go to Kharkov and meet with Dimitry! He seems like a nice enough guy to me, just has a beef with Jack. Of course, the fact that Dimitry's livelihood depends on his agency and business, it's understandable why he is so upset with Jack. Has Dimitry made some mistakes? Maybe, I don't know but perhaps if he has...he is making amends? Calling each other liar and silly names solves nothing.

It's obvious there are satisfied clients from both agencies, there are also unsatisfied clients from both agencies. So what? Name me one company with a perfect record.

Best to all and good luck.

Mark H.

... in response to Wait a minute......., posted by Mark H on Apr 26, 2002

MarkH,

 How are you doing? Glad to hear you might be going to Ukraine in the next few months. If you do go to Kharkov please e-mail me, I do not care to see anyman get scammed.

 I see a couple of things that you wrote above that are not correct. I would like to give you the correct information.

 The Anastasia chick you are referring to is named Elena. She was the then seperated wife from the owner Dave. Although she denied the fact, she was living with one of the guys (Dan) she had met on an earlier social. Of course Elena denied it all then, and most recently she even denied that the were moving there office (which Dave found out the hard way as he returned from the fall trip he was on), but over time Mark, Elena has been proven to be and out right liar.

 Now Mark, I don't know where you get the information about a date at MacDonalds. After almost three weeks in Russia I was hankering for some American food, so we went to a combination KFC/Pizza Hut and had some fried chicken and pizza.

 Also your statement of wanting to get into the social for free is incorrect as I had already paid $100, in advance, to Dave, the owner. According to Dave, I was his biggest customer in the years 96 and 97. I had already been on one of there socials, Dave invited me to attend his socials for free. I guess some people will do that for there biggest customers, but I did not want something for free, I felt obligated to pay something, and as I only went to one social, not all three, Dave accepted my offer of $100.  However, upon arrival to St. Petersburg and as I was walking into the social, his crooked wife Elena said No, if you want in, you will pay an additional $300. She did not care that Dave and I had already made our deal, that deal was out the window, we would do it her way, or no way.

 Ok, just wanted to get those statements straight.

... in response to Wait a second......., posted by Jack on Apr 26, 2002

Jack,
My point was only that I have been around here A LONG TIME! All the points you make above are correct. I had forgotten her name and the specifics of all the crap that went on didn't matter to me. It was all BS anyway. The truth (exactly as you stated in your post) eventually came out, they went away, and life has gone on. You've been taking hits for over 3 years that I know of and come out smelling peachy keen! That's a testament to your stamina and a reflection on your business practices. I remember it being quite comical when they would slam you about meeting a chick for dinner with this lady and her husband and taking them to McDonalds! Remember that one? That's what I was referring to. My memory on the matters isn't 100% but I remember it was funny.

As for Dimitry, I'm not so sure he's a bad guy. It's possible you guys got off on the wrong foot and continued to kick the crap out of each other with the  other foot. WHo knows. If he was a total scammer, I couldn't believe he'd still be in business. I think all people make mistakes, and all people take the wrong roads at times. Present company included. I just want to concentrate on fine women, fun trips, and good contacts. I think both of which could be found with Firstdream or Kharkov girls.

I don't want you two to work together, good friendly competition is good for the business but the fighting should really end. I've asked Dimitry some good questions above and we'll see how he answers them. Also, I'm sure there are references from both companies. I'm one for you and I'm sure Dimi has many also.

Yes, I'm going back. Doing this on a budget is not the way to go, that is one lesson I have learned.

Mark H.

... in response to Re: Wait a second......., posted by Mark H on Apr 26, 2002

to see what the next trip report is like from Mark.

Hey Mark,

I have followed your path with your modus operandi seemingly to be more on the impulsive side in comparison to the person who would be more anal about plans all set to meet 30 designated women all contacted well in advance.

Hey I am not saying you have to change your methods - what works for one does not work for another. I think your method will work for you - I just sense inherently that this approach simply makes you more prone to having to make more trips before you find the right lady then the guy who is at the opposite end of the spectrum. I happened to be more like you myself and I find that I have to argue with myself to get myself to change :)).

I wish you the best of luck with your next trip. So, when do you think that you will make the next one anyway?

Greg

... in response to Dear webmaster if I recommended your age..., posted by odeccaman1 on Apr 25, 2002

ask you why you are recommending Patrick's agency, just like we ask you why you are recommending Dmitry's services.  

Speaking of why you recommend Dmitry's services, would you please tell us why you do recommend his services?  At a minimum, would you tell us the dates of at least one time that you used Dmitry's services?

... in response to Odeccaman1: if you recommended Patrick's..., posted by Richard on Apr 26, 2002

Latin America.  Once you've met a good Latin woman, there's no going back!  Of course, I've never met any women in Eastern Europe, or been there for that matter, so who am I to talk?

... in response to Then he'd be defecting from Eastern Euro..., posted by Patrick on Apr 27, 2002

Living in South Florida, near Miami, I can understand what you are saying about a good Latin woman.  However, I'll stick to the part of the world where my family came from.

It was only after I went to Kiev, that I found out that a branch of my family comes from Ukraine in addition to Russia and Lithuania.

... in response to Then he'd be defecting from Eastern Euro..., posted by Patrick on Apr 27, 2002

and some claim  the women too?

... in response to Odeccaman1: if you recommended Patrick's..., posted by Richard on Apr 26, 2002


The question that started all of this was asking you why you recommended them.

Now you admit that you have never used their services...

If you have never used an agency, then at least you should say:

"Well, I have never used this agency... but I think they would be good because..."

For instance, I have never used RWs service. But, I have seriously considered it. I like the fact that she backloads her service prices and you pay her the majority AFTER you find a wife. I like this because it means you both have the same objective: to find you a wife. Most agencies will make more money on your search... and therefore might have a reason to prolong it. She doesn't. I also like her personalized approach. I have mentioned this on the board before.

I've never given a blanket statement: "Oh...use her she's the best!"

I have simply said that I have considered it... and why... and let others make up their own minds.

When you consistently pipe up and recommend an agency that you have never used (and it is... if memory serves... the ONLY agency you have ever recommended)... it DOES make you sound like an agency shill.

Maybe you are, or maybe you aren't...

But, you sure sound like one to me... and that's why...

... in response to Dear webmaster if I recommended your age..., posted by odeccaman1 on Apr 25, 2002

yet you have not posted much that verifies your credibility. Dmitri has some problems with his business practices and I remember the discussions concerning those problems in late 2000 and early last year.

You are an anti-Jack basher. It's obvious even more now.

-blm

... in response to I seem to recall your anti-Christian sla..., posted by BarryM on Apr 26, 2002

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... in response to I seem to recall your anti-Christian sla..., posted by BarryM on Apr 26, 2002

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