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As a result of being spread out over different religions and cultural backgrounds there has been established a unique phenomenon of the "Russian Soul". This phenomenon has been exhibited throughout different events in history. Why does the Russian Woman represent the personification of femininity? Why does she have the potential, and tendency to reach completeness with her soul?

To understand the answers to these questions lets remember the famous Russian doll "Matryoshka". The set of them could have three to thirty of the same style painted dolls. Each doll fits within another. The construction of "Matryoshka" intends to reveal a little doll. To find out the mystery that she is carrying, you need to open the whole set. When you open each doll you will find another and establish between them outside and inside similarities. All "Matryoshka" sit inside of one another, when you look at them together you will see the only largest one. This large one symbolizes the wholeness of unity bonds with family, culture, religion, and folk traditions.

When you open all "Matryoshka", and finally, arrive at the last one, you can establish only an outside similarity. This little doll represents a multi sided link with the Mother, Family tree, as well as to culture and religion. This is the symbol of the Russian Woman's soul. "Matryoshka" represents to us the unending process of discovery of the beauty of Russian woman

... in response to Well said, posted by Natalya on Apr 4, 2002

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... in response to Well said, posted by Natalya on Apr 4, 2002

I found one with 20 shtuki - has anyone actually seen one with more?

If so - where did you find it/them?

- Dan

... in response to Speaking of Matroyshka . . ., posted by Dan on Apr 4, 2002

I found a web site selling a few with 30.

I seen a couple 22 pieces in my visits(In Odessa). It was selling for about $150.

The 30 piece sets I see on the webb sell for $400-$700.

I know you did not ask for prices, but I threw that info in as a bonus.

Most of the more expensive and fancy dolls are made in certain cities in Russia(where the dolls were made as toys early this century). I am not sure if Ukraine has a similar 'factory'.

MNKenr

... in response to Re: Speaking of Matroyshka . . ., posted by MNKenr on Apr 5, 2002

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... in response to Do You Happen to Recall the Web Address?..., posted by Dan on Apr 5, 2002

I do not recall the web address. Do a Yahoo search for 'Russian Nesting Dolls'. You will find it there. Also you will find a few on Ebay.

If I find the link I will post it.

MNKenr

... in response to Well said, posted by Natalya on Apr 4, 2002

Just some dude pretending to get our respect slow and then Whamo!!

... in response to Re: Probably not even a woman..., posted by wsbill on Apr 4, 2002

At this time, I feel that Natalya is a sincere lady on this forum.  While some of the post that she will put here from other Forums are just a little on the negative side, I feel she is doing it out of concern more than anything. I could be wrong. If this is the reason, she may feel she is doing a good service for all the others here and I do not want to  do anything that would cause her not to feel comforable here. However, I also feel she could talk about some other things that would greatly help some of us here. I would like to hear how she feels about being in America, even the negatives. I feel this would be an area that she could help in. she does seem to be very carful about telling to much about herself. nothing bad Natalya, just my dime:)

... in response to Re: Re: Probably not even a woman..., posted by terry on Apr 4, 2002

Terry, I don't see alot of people talking personal things in here, well except trip reports.Another thing I learned here and I don't think it's me only that there are times when personal information posted here can be used against you by insincere people or what you call TROLLS. I'll gladly answer questions you may have but only if you ask something in particular. This is why I wasn't able to answer to Bill on his post about life in Russia before and after 1991. The question was too general. There was no way for me to put my answer in couple words, book more like it :)

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Probably not even a woman..., posted by Natalya on Apr 4, 2002

I understand what you are saying Natalya. my questions would not be personal. I would like to know alittle about how you feel youradjustment to  Ameria went. this could help a lot of other guys with their new wife.

thank you

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Probably not even a woman..., posted by Natalya on Apr 4, 2002

What do you like most about living in the United States after living in FSU and under communist government?  What did you come to the U.S.A. did you search for an American Husband?

... in response to I have a question....., posted by Ryan on Apr 4, 2002

You know Ryan, what I like the most is to be able to grocery store and buy any food I want, no matter what time of the year it is, to live in the warm house vs cold appartment on 9th floor, to go on vacation anywhere I want. I like freedom of choices. Don't want to dissapoint you but I really don't care about politics. Part of it was that because Communist party and government was so corrupted that your vote really didn't make a difference. So I stop voting and care about politics long time ago.
I'm sorry but I didn't understand your second question.

... in response to Re: I have a question....., posted by Natalya on Apr 4, 2002

Natalya

When an AM brings a RW here , what do you feel is some of the things the he should do to help her in the first 30 days here. also, what do you feel we should do  before she gets here.  For example, should he maybe spend the first two weeks at home with her helping her learns some of the america ways. From you eyes , we could learn a ot from you about how we could make this as easy as possible for her.  do you feel we need to take the time to help her learn these things, or should another person help in these matters?   I have in my mind some things I feel should be done, however I feel it better to learn from someone who has allready been thur this.  Your views on this could help me as well as others here. It would be a lot like a trip report about coming here to America.  

... in response to Well said, posted by Natalya on Apr 4, 2002

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... in response to With Due Respect - Why Are You Constantl..., posted by Dan on Apr 4, 2002

Dan,
I have read the comments below and I think you may be missing two important points.  1)Some of us (like me) do not read other message boards.  An interesting post from another board is welcomed from us. (I was VERY against the back biting BS posts from other boards that were coming here from Jack, Drew and Barry) 2) The posts that Natalya has chosen to share are even more important because a RW is doing the choosing.  They are topics that hit HER nerve and therefore gives us AM more insight to the inner workings of a RW's mentality.
I see the posts balancing out the male mentality of this forum.  Most of what is posted here is from a man's point of view.  Because of this some guys get too self absorbed with the potential risks they run with the man's difficulties in this process ie scammers ect.  Natalya's posts have highlighted the RW's risks and I think that is very valuable.  Besides it gives us men something to chew on instead of visas and plane transfers.
KenC

... in response to With Due Respect - Why Are You Constantl..., posted by Dan on Apr 4, 2002

why you have to tell people what they should post here or what not?

That's what it makes interesting - difference of opinions and topics for discussions.

SMILES :)

Russian Wife

... in response to With Due Respect back to you -, posted by RW on Apr 4, 2002

And you will see that I explained myself. I am not here to tell people what they can, or cannot, post. Still, I am entitled to my opinion - right? And I expressed it. Hopefully, without being inflammatory or confrontational.

I also said that I think Natalya is sincere - but I'd like (MY opinion again) to see her sharing with us HER opinion - not simply parrotting something from another board.

And just for good measure - I will again qualify this all as simply *my* take on things. Others are free (of course) to disregard, disagree, condemn, malign, or anything else they wish --smile--.

- Dan

... in response to Read it Again RW . . ., posted by Dan on Apr 4, 2002

In that sense, I would like to hear her own opinions about issues, not just what someone else wrote. Maybe she is hesitant to do this for some reason.

... in response to With Due Respect - Why Are You Constantl..., posted by Dan on Apr 4, 2002

Simple. Because I thought it would be interesting for people on this board. I guess you have problem with this. If anybody here is not happy with me posting stuff from another sites please let me know and I'll stop doing it.

... in response to Re: With Due Respect - Why Are You Const..., posted by Natalya on Apr 4, 2002

It's no problem for me,,,,, I usualy see it before it is posted here. My wife reads alot on the web at those sights for FSU woman here in the states. Some of those stories are unbelievable!!!   :)
Steve

... in response to Re: With Due Respect - Why Are You Const..., posted by Natalya on Apr 4, 2002

If I wanted to read stuff posted on another board - I'd go to that other board to read it.

I do not mind if someone posts something from another board as a direct response to a question posted here, but it seems a bit strange to be posting message 'starters' here that originated elsewhere.

Just my view. Others, as always, are free to disagree/condemn/malign/whatever --smile--.

- Dan

... in response to Speaking ONLY For Myself . . ., posted by Dan on Apr 4, 2002

So far I have not seen anything that really contributes to our dicussions here and there does seem to be a negativity connected to what has been "posted" by this person.

While I can and will choose to ignor further post of this type, it still seems to be a waste of space on this board and in the archives.

We can all choose to read other discussion boards if we want. Perhaps if someone wants to contribute nuggets of wisdom from other sources, they can post the URL and let us decide whether we want to go there. It would save some space here and should we decide to reply to these posts, it should be there.

... in response to Speaking ONLY For Myself . . ., posted by Dan on Apr 4, 2002

To me the rules are no rules. If you were going to make rules of your preference about what should be posted and not, I am wondering what they would be. I say this because in my thinking, it is no different if a post originates from one's own mind, what they read somewhere regardless of whether it is from another forum etc. .

Many posts here are about material other than what originated out of the person's head. So, personally, I do not see the difference.

Also, since she is a Russian lady, obviously she is might be primarily at a forum for women - so she is going to come across material there that she thinks might be interesting to men here.

Of course not evey post regardless who posted it is going to be of interest to everyone.

... in response to I am not with you on this one, posted by thesearch on Apr 4, 2002

I simply asked the question - and expressed my opinion.

If others feel differently - so be it. I didn't offer to assault anyone if they disagreed - right?

- Dan

... in response to That's OK With Me . . ., posted by Dan on Apr 4, 2002

certainly not original and are being posted in a fashioned way that is like "guys are idiots and control freeks".

1st story, the guy didn't listens to his wife and just wanted to watch a football game.

2nd story, they guy isn't filing the paperwork.

This reeks of a setup.  Ok, I'll shut up and watch the story line unfold.  LOL...

... in response to Re: With Due Respect - Why Are You Const..., posted by Natalya on Apr 4, 2002

Natalya,

Dan and his wife Olga are very successful. They are a great couple who are enjoying life together. Dan is a positive person who is one of the most experiences members on this board. I think sometimes the posts touch his nerve, because he and some others like to see more positive posts. I think if you could post some positive things from other sites it would be no problem. It would seem that you supported this process more.

Myself, I am more of a pessimist/optimist blend. I believe both sides happen often. I prefer that only the good happens, but my background says different, and my eyes are always looking around for some victim or abuse. So they do not trouble me. However, I wish there were many more positive stories posted.

However, most successful men who marry find themselves too happy to take the time to visit us here. I will be the same. Some of the men like Dan, are more giving than I will be. But without the most experienced men here like Dan, KenC, Jack, and others, the new guys would be somewhat helpless. But their experiences are mostly positive in their present situations, so that is how they see life and this board. Sometimes I read these posts and try to read between the lines of your life! I wonder if you are happy, or have had your own struggles here in the US? It is not my business, but if you see skid marks that a car has made in the road, you know that an attorney was not crossing the street :)

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: With Due Respect - Why Are You C..., posted by Quasimoto on Apr 4, 2002

For example, the three part story. Some people need to read this. I will say that I highly doubt that the majority of males here could not benefit from that story unless they are the "I know it all type"

If all posts are about sugar and  spice then - well we again are going back to the La La Land Forum................

... in response to Re: Re: With Due Respect - Why Are You C..., posted by Quasimoto on Apr 4, 2002

Steve, thanks for reply.I like stories or information that I can learn something from.I believe that all success stories are different and unique in some way and mistakes people made that cause them marriage are pretty much the same. So naturally I prefer to learn on other people mistakes and use that knowledge to make my marriage even better. But again it is my point of view.

Anyway I apologize if my posts offended anybody or just was way too negative. I think I'll stop posting stuff from another sites for now and will be participating in bord disscisions if I have something positive to say :)

... in response to Re: With Due Respect - Why Are You Const..., posted by Natalya on Apr 4, 2002

..that it is customary to give credit to the original author or publication that you copied the post from. Do this, and it lends a bit more weight to the post.

Keep writing please - it gets dreadfully dull with 3 posts per day all about visa applications and stuff. I'm sooooo past that!..:)

By the way, don't be so shy about telling a little about yourself.

-Ken Williams

... in response to Re: With Due Respect - Why Are You Const..., posted by Natalya on Apr 4, 2002

Natalya,

I like Dan, but do not let his one opinion get you to change --------keep posting as you have and simply observe the overall responses.

... in response to Re: With Due Respect - Why Are You Const..., posted by Natalya on Apr 4, 2002

You don't offend me Natlya. We think very much alike in most matters. Keep posting! Just understand that some think differently, but as they do not know you, or your mind and heart, do not take it personally; just their observation.

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: With Due Respect - Why Are You C..., posted by Quasimoto on Apr 4, 2002

I more prefer to think of myself as being predominantly a 'Pragmatist'.

It isn't so much that these posts touched a nerve, as they just seem - to me, anyway - out-of-place as message starters. If the posts are made as responses to direct questions - great. Otherwise - why the predominance of posts "from another site" dropped here to "give us something to think about" and the tenor is almost exclusively negative?!?

Just my take on things - and I could be 'all wet'.

Cheers Steve - and thanks for the kind comments.

- Dan

... in response to Admittedly, I Like to Think of Myself as..., posted by Dan on Apr 4, 2002

I'm afraid you're all wet on this one, Dan.  I think her post was topical and of interest to most readers on the board.  However, to your credit, you take constructive criticism well and engage in a lively, non-inflammatory debate.

... in response to Re: Admittedly, I Like to Think of Mysel..., posted by Charles on Apr 4, 2002

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