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Title: How do you communicate with russian ladies? Post by: Natalya on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Lets say you meet or correspond with few russian ladies.How do you understand each other? Well on the tours you have interpreter next to you, but if you meet each other by internet? How do you translate her letters or E-Mail or she writes to you in English? Thanks
Title: Для меня иногда лучше говорить Русский язык /nt Post by: BarryM on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Title: Me sometimes to speak the Russian N/T Post by: Mike on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Title: Actually, it's: For me, it is sometimes better to speak Russian language /nt Post by: BarryM on February 04, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Title: my wife translated- Russian professors what do they know anyway? N/T Post by: Mike on February 04, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Title: LOL... Here are a few links to help her out Post by: BarryM on February 04, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to my wife translated- Russian professors w..., posted by Mike on Feb 4, 2002
Here are some English grammar links that you may find useful. http://gabiscott.com/bigdog/index.htm http://kcweb.nhmccd.edu/employee/jsamuels/joanpage.htm look at the download site. http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/ http://www.awrittenword.com/grammar.htm
-blm Title: Re: LOL. and Here is a link to help you out Post by: Mike on February 04, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to LOL... Here are a few links to help her ..., posted by BarryM on Feb 4, 2002
BM, Спасибо Вам за линки. Может когда-нибудь и воспользуюсь... А начинать-то надо с простого. Что-то типа: http://www.russianwonders.org/ Actually, nobody will understand you if you say 'говорить русский язык' - the right variant is 'говорить по-русски'. On line translations are usually poor quality tools. At least you are trying,and it is a difficult task you are attempting. Hang in there! С уважением, Title: Or, even better... Post by: PrincetonLion on February 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: LOL. and Here is a link to help you ..., posted by Mike on Feb 4, 2002
Or, even better - говорить русским языком... (That is, let say, more refined form)... Title: Спасибо, Инна Post by: BarryM on February 04, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: LOL. and Here is a link to help you ..., posted by Mike on Feb 4, 2002
I've been studying too much Bulgarian lately. In Bulgarian, it's Български език. For an English thinking person, Russian tongue(language) - русский язык, seems better than по-русски. I've been told there is a proper context in which to use русский язык rather than по-русски but I haven't learned that yet. Thank you for the link. Here is a fairy tale that I have been working on. РУКАВИЧКА Шёл мужик по дороге. Дорога полем – мужик полем. Дорога в горку – мужик на горку. Дорога в лес и мужик - в лес. Идёт мужик, а за поясом рукавицы болтаются. Большие рукавицы, новые, красной шерстью шитые. 1. рукавичка (варежка) - mitten -blm Title: Re: How do you communicate with russian ladies? Post by: MNKenr on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to How do you communicate with russian ladi..., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
At first I mostly wrote to women that spoke English. After my first trip over the woman I was most interested in did not come from an agency and she spoke very little english. I asked her to write in Russian (she could write more that way). I would use the online web based translaters. That worked and got the message accross. I would use the web sites to also move my letters from English to Russian. By the time of my second trip I have studied a good deal of Russian, and I paid for her to take 12 hours of English Lessons. This second trip we rarely used the dictionary like last trip. Between her English and my Russian we could understand 90% of our communication. The other 10% was minor and nothing the PROMT software could translate with the laptop I brought with. I left her with Pimsleur English for Russian speakers. She is halfway done with that, and states it helps a lot. She even says her mother listens to the lessons and is learning english. Her emails are still in Russian. I still use translation software (Mostly webbased). We do talk on the phone, but the speech is difficult with out the face to face body language. I am not concerned that she does not speak perfect english. She has the desire to learn and is trying her best. MNKen Title: Re: How do you communicate with russian ladies? Post by: tim360z on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to How do you communicate with russian ladi..., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
With the exception of 1 girl who knows only Russian, the 6 other girls all write and speak English quite fluently and all have computers at work or University or at home. Title: Re: How do you communicate with russian ladies? Post by: Zink on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to How do you communicate with russian ladi..., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
What I am doing is learning Russian. I have several dictionaries that I use. My skill level is not high but I usually understand the simple things. If I can't make sense of my own translations I use one of the internet translators. If that still doesn't clarify it, I will ask the lady to try and explain her message using different words. I also know people who have friends that would translate for me if I neeeded it. But I prefer to fumble along myself. I have used agencies to translate for me but there are many things I want to talk abut with the ladies that I'd prefer the agencies didn't know. I lived in Russia for about 3 months last year. And I think I met 6 people who spoke decent English. My girlfriend wasn't one of them. But I found that when I spoke with people it wasn't as hard to explain things as it is through a letter. Carrying a small dictionary helped too. Look up the words you need before you start talking. As long as both people are willing and able to learn and put some effort into communicating it can work. When we had something really important and difficult to discuss we wrote and translated letters while we were together. Then if there were still misunderstandings we could correct them quickly. The big problem with letters is that we often misinterpret the meanings of the written words. Was it a joke? Are they serious? How serious? When you're together you can explain these better. Title: A married Natalya @ 30 yo from the USA? Post by: tfcrew on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to How do you communicate with russian ladi..., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
Are you a Russian spouse yourself? Good English ;) Title: Re: A married Natalya @ 30 yo from the USA? Post by: Natalya on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to A married Natalya @ 30 yo from the USA?, posted by tfcrew on Feb 3, 2002
Yes I am russian spouse for 6 happy years already. I'm new to this board and find people here very interesting, well excluding few of those for whom cash is best tool in communicating. Title: Ouch!.... Post by: LP on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: A married Natalya @ 30 yo from the U..., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
...Proof again that Russians have no sense of humor. :-) I suppose your coming here at 24 was not related in anyway to cash or the better life it offers? Title: Why do you care Benedict Arnold? Post by: Reagan on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Ouch!...., posted by LP on Feb 3, 2002
I guess Norway has not approved your immigration yet? My guess is that they don't want your old wrinkled flacid self. There is nothing worse than some old geezer whose life has passed him by and he blames the world. Isn't it time for the nurse to bring you your dinner and change your diaper? Did she bring you some polident for your dentures? How about some geritol? Has AARP sent you your new membership card? You are such a hypocrite. You dog other people out, but you don't even have the nads to post a profile. That is total cowardice on your part. Do us all a favor, move to Norway. I am sure no one will miss you. Cheers Kevin Title: Re: Ouch!.... Post by: Natalya on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Title: You'll have to forgive LP Post by: MarkInTx on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Ouch!...., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
He's just a cynical, crochety old man who has searched for a woman abroad and not found one yet, so he's back with the AWs for now. So, naturally, he assumes that the problem MUST be the RWs... Couldn't be him, after all... Title: I can't speak for anyone, but... Post by: Deckard on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to You'll have to forgive LP, posted by MarkInTx on Feb 3, 2002
When asked, my fiance has told me that in her hometown in central Ukraine, she probably could find someone who was serious about marriage and commitment, but she moved away from there when she was ~14. In Crimea, it was exceedingly difficult for her to meet a man who was interested in her other than for her physical appearance. She explained that many people were just "passing through" or on extended vacations, and hence were not interested in anything other than short term romance. It is understandable to me why she carefully filtered out the "better" pictures of her that she would send me. She was testing me in a way, as I was also testing her in other ways, in the beginning. I know if anyone so much as suggested to my fiance that she is going to come here for $$$ or any reason other than for me ... well, I'll one of the most financially embarrassed, and I know that I was the youngest also, and therefore the least likely canditake pity on that poor person :)). My fiance has one HE11 of a bite when she's upset :P. A) She has had several opportunities to marry into wealth in Ukraine. B) Many American men wrote to her in the space of a year, and I think that I was probably date to be able to support a family. C) She knows I'm anything but rich, it would be a wrong "career" move to marry me for money, and she knows it! My point is that while perhaps a large percentage of women from FSU want to come here for some other reasons besides or in addition to love, there are women who only want to come here to be with their husbands, and nothing else. What is the ratio? I don't know. Peace, -Deckard Title: lol, it's hard.... Post by: LP on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to You'll have to forgive LP, posted by MarkInTx on Feb 3, 2002
....sometimes, really hard, but I enjoy putting one over on guys like you for obvious reasons. Not found one yet? lol! Yeah, OK. I guess the problem MUST be the R/Ws. Me thinks, no, I know, like most here you haven't a clue as to my status and I gleefully like to keep it that way. In fact you have seen it (I'm betting many times), and don't even realize it. Thats what makes it so much darn fun! Trust me, if you had you'd love to be where I am. Cynical? Ok, a little. Old? Yeah, old enough. Old enough to be finished with this while you're still pissin around after how many years? Whatsamatter, not enough choices? Geez, that wasn't my problem, must be those darn FSU girls again! Old enough not to debate relationships with a kid who wants me to believe she left Russia six years ago, when it was coming apart at the seams, without any thought of the gains. Old enough to know all R/W aren't angels, especially when they're kids with little life experience. Old enough to know this country will let anyone in. Old enough to know women are women, regardless of their culture. Since her English is only fair, lets see how her idioms are: Me thinks she protests too much. As for you, shove it. Another backwater yokel with a suck attitude, you oughta stop butt poking the herd and get on with it. It didn't take me a quarter as long as it's taking you. Wonder why? Naturally, it MUST be the R/Ws... Title: Bigger problem, too many choices Post by: BubbaGump on February 04, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to lol, it's hard...., posted by LP on Feb 3, 2002
You get one that likes you then you dump her for another one that's prettier and speaks english. Then you dump that one because she acts like a scammer. No wonder it's so hard to connect. Title: Naaawww.... Post by: DE on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to lol, it's hard...., posted by LP on Feb 3, 2002
probably the ol' phallic symbol :) Title: lol, it's..... Post by: LP on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Naaawww...., posted by DE on Feb 3, 2002
.....even bigger these days, and quick too. I tell ya, its one danm fast toll booth. :-) Title: Re: lol, it's hard.... Post by: Natalya on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to lol, it's hard...., posted by LP on Feb 3, 2002
You are one miserable man.I'll try my best to ignore your nasty messages on this board from now on. Title: Another..... Post by: LP on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: lol, it's hard...., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
..."Must kill moose and squirrel" reply. I give up. lol, like the man said, you'll have to forgive me. Title: He is a bitter old man. Post by: Reagan on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: lol, it's hard...., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
Anyone can brag about how great their life is on the internet. It makes you wonder why? I have always found that people that really have it going on, don't have to brag or mount unsolicited verbal attacks on others. So let the bitter old windbag keep on blowing. During the day, he is toll booth operator on the Oklahoma turnpike, but on the internet he passes himself off as a multimillionaire combination of Bill Gates and the amazing Kreskin. He will take one little fact about you and claim to know your life story. Of course he says his own life is right up there with Larry Ellison's and Sir Richard Branson. I guess you just have to ask yourself why he is so bitter. I guess loneliness will do that. I think he should move in with Micha1 in Canada. But I doubt Canada wants him. Good Luck to you. Don't let LP and his constant negativity get you down. Cheers Kevin Title: Re: He is a bitter old man. Post by: Natalya on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Title: Re: Re: He is a bitter old man. Post by: Natalya on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Title: Yeah, lol...... Post by: LP on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: He is a bitter old man., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
...thanks "Kevin". Title: Your welcome nt Post by: Reagan on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Title: Btw, that would be.... Post by: lp on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Your welcome nt, posted by Reagan on Feb 3, 2002
..."you're" welcome. Hey, maybe you could get some of the local Mexicans to help you with "your" English? Lol, it's back to the $50 million toll booth for me. Title: My Mexican friends have a message for you.................. Post by: Reagan on February 05, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Btw, that would be...., posted by lp on Feb 3, 2002
Chinga a tu puta madre. Eres pura mierda. Tambien eres un hijo de puta cabron. Well you wheezing old geezer, I am sure you sit back at your ocean front property in Arizona and count your 50mil every night. I have seen people suffer from delusions of granduer, but you really need some help. But of course you know that. Cheers to you puto. Kevin Title: 3 Months? Post by: MarkInTx on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to lol, it's hard...., posted by LP on Feb 3, 2002
Wow... didn't take you a quarter as long as it has taken me...? Hmmmm.. I've been at it just about a year now. That means you found someone and married them in 3 months? Or do you mean it didn't take you as quarter as long as me to throw in the towel and give up? As for where you are... yeah.. I'm sure you're in absolute bliss. Probably have beautiful babes falling all over you. That's why you have so much time to spend on here. Makes perfect sense. You wise and wonderful stud. Why you just CAN'T settle down anyway. You'd break a thousand hearts if you ever did... Title: Personally, I use English Post by: MarkInTx on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to How do you communicate with russian ladi..., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
I don't meet anyone who can't at least speak enough English to have a date without needing an interpreter present. I just can't imagine saying: "Tell her she looks wonderful. And that her perfume is heavenly." ... Much Later ... "Ask her if she is enjoying this evening as much as I am, and would like it to go on?" ... Much much later ... Interpreter, speaking for the lady: "The lady says Ooooh. Ohhh. That is great. Faster please. Harder... what's that? Oh... she says... Yes, baby, just like that. Oh... wait... Now she wants to know how you have three hands?... Ooops..." Title: That's not so bad... Post by: Zink on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Personally, I use English, posted by MarkInTx on Feb 3, 2002
As long as you have a pretty interpretor! Title: Now the truth comes out :) lol n/t Post by: RW on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Title: Uh Oh! Post by: Zink on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Now the truth comes out :) lol n/t, posted by RW on Feb 3, 2002
I never thought about you reading this. Just don't tell your hubby! Title: Re: Personally, I use English Post by: Natalya on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Personally, I use English, posted by MarkInTx on Feb 3, 2002
MarkInTx, you are something else ;) But seriously you requirement for lady to speak enough English reduce amount of potential RW to almost nothing. Of course I didn't visit Russia for the past 6 years, but back then procentage of women who'd meet your requirement would be 5 maximum 10%. How many russian women speak fluent English these days? Title: Re: Re: Personally, I use English Post by: Richard on February 04, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Personally, I use English, posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
I think that the ability to speak English, or at least the willingness to learn English is a sign of sincerity in a woman who wants to get involved someone from an English speaking country. For example I met a woman in Kiev who was very interested in me (or so she said ) until I told her that I could not see starting a serious relationship with her unless she started to learn English. That was the last I heard of her. (Notice, I said at least the willingness to learn English.) Title: Why English is a MUST Post by: MarkInTx on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Personally, I use English, posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
I never said Fluent. I only said enough that we didn't need an interpreter. I think how many women you can find depends on where you go... St. Petersburg, for instance, has a ton of women who speak English at a passable level. If you go to Scanna's site, and do a search for someone who speaks english at a 4 or 5 level (5 being fluent) you will end up with hundreds. They publish a new web edition every Friday. 100 women are added every week. This is what I got just now when I checked the last edition: English Level 5: So, in a (Very) random sampling, that means that of the 100 ladies Scanna just posted, 49 of them speak english at a good or fluent level. But, I only require at least a FAIR rating. Which means that 88% of the ladies would qualify. Sure... I guess I COULD go after that one lady who didn't speak english. But why would I do that? Of course, results vary depending on where you're looking, I understand. But I just don't understand why a guy would spend so much time and money to get a woman who cannot speak any english. It makes no sense to me. If she's going to move here, she's going to have to understand the language. I don't take this attitude just for my sake. It's for HER sake too. She HAS to speak English, or she will be miserable here. I think that a lot of the horror stories you hear about women who are sad and cannot adjust are because they feel so totally isolated. When I was in Russia, I didn't speak the language. I'm a well-travelled man. I have logged over 1,000,000 miles with American Airlines. and STILL I felt intimidated. I cannot imagine how a woman who has never travelled abroad must feel when she is suddenly dropped into a land where everyone speaks a language she does not understand, and she is immersed in a culture which makes no sense to her. Sheesh. No WONDER she feels lonely and wants to home. What good is it to live in the Land of Opportunity, when you can't communicate with anyone? Title: I prefer to.... Post by: LP on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to How do you communicate with russian ladi..., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
...use cash. It's the universal language and they all seem to understand it *very* well.
The other ways involve spending money. Interperters, agency translation services, ect. I'll leave the debate as to the wisdom of becoming involved with a non English speaker in the first place to others. Title: ...OK I'll take it Post by: tfcrew on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to I prefer to...., posted by LP on Feb 3, 2002
My Svetlana hasn't mastered English and probably never will. I know sign language, Spanish and some German. I do wish I knew Russian ...I know, "wish in one hand...." So another post I thought of is "why only Russian women"? I wanted a real WIFE....From far away seemed a good idea. I guess a "common language" is sometimes a little too "common". She just happened to be from Ukraine. Title: Re: I prefer to.... Post by: micha1 on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to I prefer to...., posted by LP on Feb 3, 2002
LP, you are my man. CASH is the word and you don't need a translator. You reminded of a story, a real one. Use to hang around a watering hole in Montrйal. A small guy was there all Title: Re: Re: I prefer to.... Post by: Natalya on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: I prefer to...., posted by micha1 on Feb 3, 2002
Thank you for respond to my question.I was just kinda wondering what kind of wife (I mean any kind russian, american etc)you can find using cash. I'm sure there are some russian women for who CASH is THE WORD, just like for you. But majority of them have different values in life. Oh well, you know what you looking for in relationship and I'm sure you and your future RW( if you find one of course) will sure deserve each other. Title: I hope Post by: greg2 on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: I prefer to...., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
that you are correct in what you say. It is a sad world because women tell men in so many words that cash removes all boundaries more often than not. This is why - the main reason why - men try to do well in the world of finances. Title: Re: Re: Re: I prefer to.... Post by: micha1 on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: I prefer to...., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
I am sorry my post gave you the wrong impression. But LP's answer made me laugh and I went on. Sure different people do have different values. But I remember reading a book by Larry McMurty (it is not right, forgotten how to write his name). Anyway he had Title: Oh, I completely misunderstood your post then Post by: BubbaGump on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: I prefer to...., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
Guess we were not comunicating very well. I hope I can take her on sightseeing tours and nature walks until we can speak to each other well enough. English and Russian are both difficult languages. I have not brought a woman over yet. Title: Re: Oh, I completely misunderstood your post then Post by: greg2 on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Oh, I completely misunderstood your post..., posted by BubbaGump on Feb 3, 2002
Language barriers can be a killer to a relationship - to your drive in this quest at some point sometimes. It had a big part in why I did not figure out that the lady that I had spent so much energy, money and time on was not for me. Title: Communicating with Russian ladies Post by: BubbaGump on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to How do you communicate with russian ladi..., posted by Natalya on Feb 3, 2002
You can write them through agencies and use their translation services, use a translation service, or write the woman directly and use an internet translator. The internet translators give some strange results, but you can understand most of what the women are writing. I had so much trouble comunicating with women that I decided to only write women with good English skills. Title: "...with good English skills" Post by: tfcrew on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Communicating with Russian ladies, posted by BubbaGump on Feb 3, 2002
BG.... then why Russians ? Smart, good looking Asian and Latin girls know English. Take it from me ;) Just a Sunday sermon question from tfcrew Good luck all Karl Title: I'll take what I can get then Post by: BubbaGump on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to "...with good English skills", posted by tfcrew on Feb 3, 2002
I think there are more attractive RW available, they are are more cultured and better educated. They have more of a western culture in my opinion than Asians or Latins. If you do a search just on women that are fluent in english, you still get over a thousand on a large web site. I am ruling out women that speak no or little english. Now that the Sunday sermon is over, you are free to eat chips and prepare for the Super Bowl. Time to check my party schedule. Title: But what is "western culture"? Post by: tfcrew on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to I'll take what I can get then, posted by BubbaGump on Feb 3, 2002
This is why I went overseas to find a wife. And now we both hate commercial capitalist society ;) Title: Make that non-commie western culture then Post by: BubbaGump on February 04, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to But what is "western culture"?, posted by tfcrew on Feb 3, 2002
That is Western/European culture. The USA is not capalistic enough for me. I hate paying high taxes for a nanny state and I don't like all the government enforced political correctness. Title: Ahhh... Sweet Texas Post by: MarkInTx on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to But what is "western culture"?, posted by tfcrew on Feb 3, 2002
It isn't fair for you to compare our fair state to others, though, TF... Other FSU ladies won't be so lucky. They'll end up in Boston, and think they fell back into communism... Title: Worse than communism.. Post by: BarryM on February 03, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Ahhh... Sweet Texas, posted by MarkInTx on Feb 3, 2002
They teach school kids how to have gay sex in Boston. The Russian communists never harmed kids like that. -blm |