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And why are you insulting me?  Not because I said these women are tortured and abused or anything like that, but because I strongly object to someone's reputation being tarnished without any facts.  If Felicity Grabiel writes that all MOBs are kept in slavery and that they should all file abused charges and scam their husbands of every cent, I'm not going to support her.

At the same time, I'm not going to sit here and watch someone whose writing is moderate/neutral (as some of the men here admitted after reading her stuff) being attacked just because you are insecure; I don't think it's right that she's being bashed because of her area of studies or because she's a woman.  I have said exactly the same things when the rabid feminists indicted male scholars for being "oppressive" or "patriarchal" without a reason, in my opinion.  They didn't like it either.

Perhaps it's time to understand that if someone isn't with you, they aren't necessarily against you.  Right now, you're acting in no way better or more rationally than the aforementioned feminazi.

Please.....

I find interesting that you write that these women need protection.  From whom?  Please don't be dishonest.

I don't hear you advocating protecting the men.  Why?
Is your PhD. in Women studies?  

For those of us who have advanced degrees and have seen the type of womens studies programs that have infected college campuses we are a bit jaundice to your professed
equality of opinion.

Many of us are sick of the victim hood that these programs foster.  And the affirmative action that has affected us in real life.

Lastly we are men.  We talk like men. We argue like men
If you don't like it then that is your problem.

I say your first post was an insult to the cops and veterans who have brought freedom to my great country.

To somehow try and tie race to that issue was a naked attempt to promote your victim hood agenda.

I for one don't by your bullshit.

Please don't tell me that you've never heard of women being abused or badly treated.  I never said that this happens to all of them, BY FAR.  At the same time, when you are not a citizen, you have very few rights, and this is the card that a lot of abusers play.

"I don't hear you advocating protecting the men. Why?"

Because there are enormous resources for men - antiscam websites, lists of scammers, advice, etc.  It is the men who make the choice to go get a foreign wife, and who are in control of the process.  If you take the time to do your homework, investigate the woman, take the anti-scamming advice, you should be fine.  

The one protection program that should be in place is one protecting men from false abuse charges.  That requires someone with a legal background, however.

"Is your PhD. in Women studies?"

Not by far.

"Lastly we are men. We talk like men. We argue like men
If you don't like it then that is your problem."

Yup, and I argue like a man too.  Seems like you're the one having the problem.  I would say, though, that all of us should strive to argue like decent people.

"I say your first post was an insult to the cops and veterans who have brought freedom to my great country."

That's bullshit rhetoric and you know it.  Justice isn't done with guns and bullets, but with fair laws.  The freedom of your great country is protected by things like freedom of speech, not by having militia on every street corner.

Try as you like...you will always have that envy that a  famous Psychiatrist talked about.

That's what's got you mad.  You keep looking for it.

But you can never have one.  Deal with it.

You are ten times smarter than this little girl could ever be.  You nailed it perfectly.

I respect you as does the vast majority of people in our great land.  You are a real man with real life experiences.

She's got a PhD. that you can purchase on line at any number of websites.  

Nope you got it.  It's her that can't and won't get it.

I didn't question your education either.  However, there are people who say things which are mean feminist works.  They based their assessment on a popular and and insulting, and which come from prejudice.  I bet you anything that everyone who called Felicity a "femi-nazi" didn't do it because they really took the time to read her work or because they read any of the important inaccurate impression, and that isn't an educated choice (they could have PhDs for all I care, and that still wouldn't be an educated choice).

There are a lot of intelligent people on this board.  They know when something is a joke and when something is not, and they express their opinions carefully. I admire these. I know that I should probably let some of the cheap shots go, but it's strange to me that there still are so many men who think poorly of women and who get defensive around those who have opinions and aren't "traditional."

As someone said, this is a MalePig (my word not yours), Er male dominant board and we are going to respond like guys do. We are going to argue like guys too. Just kinda the way we be. I am speaking for no one.

That my "sweetheart" is about as insulting as you can get.
It show a lack of sensitivity of our culture and our sacrifices we have made to keep your candy ass free.

Not to mention totally historical inaccurate.   First apologize for your lack of sensitivity and lack of tolerance for the beliefs of others.

And then tell us what Womens studies program you bought your PhD from.

We need a good laugh.

You should apologize to Felicity then.

You should apologize to me for the "bought PhD degree."  By the way, such idiotic personal attacks are clear signs that you have nothing productive to say in your defense.  

"our sacrifices we have made to keep your candy ass free."

Sorry, my candy ass funded itself, unlike your mail-order brides.

"It show a lack of sensitivity of our culture.
Not to mention totally historical inaccurate."

It shows that your advanced degree didn't have a strong grammar component. It also shows that you're not aware things changed since before the Civil War.  "Democracy" happened, among other things.

Damn Felinessa, NOW you are bashing the women you are supposedly trying to protect...

And regarding Martin Luther King, Jr., yes he was a great man, one of the greatest Americans ever, but not a very good example for you to use in your cause...you see, he cheated on his wife all of the time and had many mistresses.

I for one am not impressed by your efforts here, although please continue to post...it makes insecure guys like me feel a little more special about themselves.

You did the melt down much faster than I thought you would.

Again why are you so full of hate?  What happened to you to make you hate men?   And at 24 YOA how did you become such a racist bigot?

Oh and where is your womens studies program "PhD" from?

Where is the website? I might buy one tonight too.

Actually, I'm not the one who resorts to "ad hominem" in the absence of arguments.  I think you staked yourself there.

"Again why are you so full of hate? What happened to you to make you hate men? And at 24 YOA how did you become such a racist bigot?"

You might want to look up "projection."  I don't hate men. I just disagree with your opinions.  That's a pretty big logical jump.

Racist bigot?

That's precious (albeit pretty stupid) considering my Martin Luther King example.  You didn't like that one much because it didn't involve guns.

Also, don't preach to me about bigotry when you use words like "feminazi." Last time I checked, I wasn't the one making sweeping generalizations about the other gender.

"Oh and where is your womens studies program "PhD" from?"

Obviously, you can't read.  I must have told you a few times that I'm NOT doing a PhD in Women's Studies.

"Where is the website? I might buy one tonight too."

No comment. Idiocy like this deserves none.  

This is the end of my replies to you.  You're incapable of having a civilized discussion without resorting to cheap postshots, and I think I've played your game enough.  No more.  Besides, your words are your own accusers.

If you read carefully, I try my best not to generalize.  Not everyone attends to the same etiquette, however, and my posts are often maliciously distorted.  I also do not hurl insults.  On the contrary, I have been called "femi-nazi," my education was unnecessarily ridiculed and trivialized, and even members I never said a word to felt necessary to add unpleasant asides.

The "low blows" you mention do not exist.  I have not attacked anyone's character, for example, which is something others do routinely.  I argue points, only to be answered with ridiculous claims about my "bought degrees." Apparently, those things don't seem to bother you.

"Like any inexperienced newbie a respectful, low-key opinion is how a person usually enters these discussions."

Unfortunately, I disagree with this.  One, there are no official rules dictating the behavior of newbies. Two, the discussion regarding Felicity Grabiel relates to something I have real-life, permanent exposure to (and not just time spent on an internet board): critical frameworks and academic research. Again, if you look closely, this is really the only thread I was seriously involved in because I have some familiarity with the subject.

"Not a {I know everything and demand equal time} entrance."

I never said that I knew everything.  At the same time, I have equal rights to anyone else posting on this forum, except for the admins, and yes, I do demand equal time.  That said, I would like to emphasize "equal," so someone doesn't jump in to say that I demand more.

"Now I anxiously await your insightful retort. I am certain it will be informative and related to latin women, which this board is about."

Considering that my contributions have had to do with academic research on Latin women, or with the validity thereof, your sarcasm is unnecessary.

PS: you accuse me of generalizations and low-blows.  Note that I have made no references to your character or intelligence throughout.

Yet, what are these, coming from you?

1. "Just because you are (According to you) a woman" - unnecessary questioning - I believe you yourself realize the ridiculousness of questioning my gender

2. "As usual Felinessa sashays" - generalization

3. "I get the impression she is here just simply to disrupt and intentially engage the experienced ones with her ridiculous "Inside knowledge" and low blows." - ad hominem

4. "that justifys the sewage you clog this board with." - ad hominem

5. "Like any inexperienced newbie" - assumption

6.  "Now I anxiously await your insightful retort. I am certain it will be informative and related" - assumption, veiled ad hominem

I rest my case.

Those that are around you must be so happy now that much of your time is spent on the computer, making and "Resting your case".  

No ill feeling here.  If you see the truth in what I said, you're more than welcome to meet me halfway.

"Thank you. You just confirmed that I was right"

Thank you  for proving 2 points in one sentence:

1. You have to be right, always.
2. You have to get the last word in.
We clearly are not going to get along.  I have said what I need to say, so good luck and prepare to take your lumps while sharing your vast knowledge of latinas and every other subject.  Look on the bright side you have successfully garnered all the attention on the Latina and Russian board for a few days.  
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