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I do not post very often here anymore as i am just too busy with other things. The BS fighting is comical, please do not stop as i need my weekly dose of absurd entertainment !

I also get a real kick out of all these new guys, "which agency is best, which city is best, what about no shows " , same tired ass crap

Look, i did the agency thing before  as most have , but if you really want to find the sincere women, you better leran to speak and read spanish in the 70-80% range, and i am not BSin this , YOU GOT TO HAVE IT FOR SUCCESS WITH THESE WOMEN

I am going south soon and i have more quality then i know what to do with. all unreal , beautiful educated  workers that pay all there own bills and actually know what  a newspaper and world events are .

They are from all over the Colombia with the excpetion of Cali and the Valle de Cauca

There just is too many braindead  lazy ass women in that department for me to fool with anymore.

The real woman of colombia do not live there boys, but keep fooling yourself.

It took work to find them. sending out 100s of personals, hours on messenger and cam and foto exchange, but what you get in retun are the REAL LADIES  who would not be caught dead in an agency. Ask UTCowboy, he will tell you his wife would have never stepped foot in an agency and that thye are known to be full of VISA HO'S

I am not saying that you cannot find a decent woman in one, but the best of the best are not there, never were there and never will be there

But the one thing a dude has got to understand is  LEARN THE D??M SPANISH FOOL !!!

Fisrt post in months and prob. will the last for several more, but keep the bickering coming and the lousy, tired ass "WHAT AGENCY IS BEST " Posts and i will kepp popping the pocorn and look while i am watching Caliente and all those hot boddies reggietoning !!

Que rico !!

Chao

... in response to Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Kiltboy1 on May 25, 2005

My wife, like many paisas, is rather conservative and no, she would never have registered with an agency. I would say this is one of the reasons the agency scene in Medellin is so dismal. When talking to the women there, they just have the feeling, rightly or wrongly, that an agency is not a place for a respectable woman to meet a man. My wife thought she was rather daring to put her profile on the amigos.com internet site.

... in response to Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Kiltboy1 on May 25, 2005

I dont know anything about your maritial situation, but I do agree about your assessment about Cali. In fact could not agree more.
Colombia is a lot more than Cali and has a lot more to offer than Cali.
Ask any person who has spent sufficient time in Medellin and Cali to compare the women. There is no comparison.
If Colombia was all about Cali, I would have never gone back either.
The Calenas, have this reputation throughout the country, so what you are saying is not new.
I think the man that loves Cali, is perfect for Cali.
Pete, with all the time AND MONEY you have invested in Cali, you still haven't found that special woman. Dating two women at the same time both of whom know about the other, doesn't count as a real relationship. In fact no other women in Colombia would put up with that save for the Calenas, who are in it for the most part for the almighty dollar$

... in response to Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Ekas on May 26, 2005

The Calenas do not have a good reputation in Colombia as marriage material but as with all generalizations, it's probably wrong as often as it is true. I do suggest that serious men consider Medellin but hardly anyone bothers to take this advice.

... in response to Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Ekas on May 26, 2005


The "right woman" for you or anyone....is where they find her! Pete, has his own life & his own plan on how & where he wants to spend it....don't judge!

BTW....your bullshit, on your very post has earned you a spot on my "watch" list!

... in response to Comparisons are stupid......PERIOD!!, posted by Hoda on May 27, 2005

Not sure who you are refering to Hoda
I never mentioned anyting about Pete. You got me confused with someone else as pete is a good friend of mine

I speak from experience of traveling to many, many parts of colombia and talking with colombian people from all areas, and these are the conclusions based on those conversations, my experience with cali women and women from the cities, there personality differences and attitudes about work, responsabilities  and life in general

There is a huge difference in other cities and if you have never esplored the other cities , then you need to  becuase you will see the differences as well. Is not this forum a place to talk about different experiences , or is it a  PR site for Cali ?

... in response to Re: Comparisons are stupid......PERIOD!!, posted by Kiltboy1 on May 27, 2005


Talk about the differences all you want but when you make stupid generalizations, you'll be challenged.  And don't think you're the only one who has travelled in Colombia.  I have, I've heard this kind of talk before, "the sexiest women are Calenas, the ugliest and coldest Bogotanas and the best wives from Medellin and don't forget the costenenas, the men there have sex with donkeys". lol Come on, take this kind of talk with a grain of salt.  Don't let your bad experiences with Calenas,  cloud your good judgement.  Learn the language yes but also learn to tell what a women with class and principles is.  There not just in Medellin, they're all over Colombia.

... in response to Comparisons are stupid......PERIOD!!, posted by Cali James on May 27, 2005

I laughed at the comment about the costenos. My wife's mother's family is from Monteria and they told me about this. They claim that it's true. OK, true sometimes. They say the guys think they'll be hung like donkeys if they have sex with them. Wishful thinking on their part, creo.

... in response to Comparisons are stupid......PERIOD!!, posted by Cali James on May 27, 2005


"the men there have sex with donkeys?!!"....OMG!!!!

... in response to Re: Comparisons are stupid......PERIOD!!, posted by Kiltboy1 on May 27, 2005

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in their reference to Pete, not you! Don't play silly in saying that this is a PR site for Cali. No Women, no City deserves to be bashed. My point is the blanket statements made about Cali & it's women. I've had some very bad experiences with people from Bogota & Med on how they treat the rest of their countrymen....But I don't go around beating the drum saying that they suck, now do I? There's good & bad everywhere, but you've seen to put on some blinders in regards to your opinions on the city & people of Cali.

Cali, has had more successes & failures than probably any two other South and/or Central American cities combined. Of course success & failure can & will be found in any other city. Love is where you find it....and where it finds you! Don't even try to paint me in some "rah-rah Cali only" corner.....ain't gonna happen!

Love is where you find it....and where it finds you!

... in response to I was refering to the recently banned......, posted by Hoda on May 27, 2005

I think Cali has had more successes and failures because it's the only place most gringoes seem to think about when they think about Colombia and South America. Personally the paisas are a lot more to my taste than the Calenas but each to his own. Guys need to think about other places like Manizales or Monteria.

... in response to Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Ekas on May 26, 2005


"Dating two women at the same time both of whom know about the other, doesn't count as a real relationship. In fact no other women in Colombia would put up with that save for the Calenas, who are in it for the most part for the almighty dollar$"

I don't necessarily condone what Pete's doing but he's at least honest about it.  Your statement that only a Calena would put up with it is again just pure fantasy.  There are lots of women in Colombia who know their man has another women but they put up with it.  Some rationalize that they're woman number one and others hope that the other may someday go away.  I think a woman is foolish to put up with it if she's very serious about the guy but foolishness is not unique to Cali.

... in response to Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Cali James on May 26, 2005

what a Cali apologist. Too funny@!!@

... in response to Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Ekas on May 26, 2005

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Your the funny one!  First post on the board and instead of being a polite new participant, you insult the women of Cali by making sweeping generalizations that you've yet to provide any evidence for.   And as far as "Cali" apologist goes, I'd be making the same argument if someone said Calenas were better women than Bogotenas.  That would be an equally stupid generalization.  Anyway, I spent a year living in Cali on and off and had no problem meeting nice respectable women. Sure there's some sharks hanging out at the agencies but there not that difficult to spot if you're reasonably in tune with what's going on around you.

... in response to Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Ekas on May 26, 2005

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Colombia is certainly a lot more than just Cali and a person can find a good woman for marriage just about anywhere.  But this idea that Medellin women are somehow better, whatever that means, sounds like fantasy to me.  Medellin has more of a business base than Cali but I don't see how that would make them more honest or sincere than Calenas or Bogotanas.  Women are women for the most part.  The kind of things that might influence values exist for the most part equally in larger cities.  You're much more likely to see value differences between cities and rural areas if you ask me.

... in response to Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Cali James on May 26, 2005

I'd have to agree with you that women are women all over the world. If I let generalizations rule my life I never would have started communicating with my wife - after all, look at the reputation that Colombia has. My wife and I try to avoid these kinds of generalizations and relate to one another as individuals.

... in response to Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Cali James on May 26, 2005

James

I do not want to get into a flame and i respect that you are married to a calena, and proudly so, but if you talk to colombians from other cities, both men and women, they will roll there eyes and just shake there heads and tell you that CALI IS THE BLACK EYE OF COLOMBIA

Ask colombian men and they will tell you, YOU WANT A WIFE, GO TO MEDELLIN, YOU WANT A MISTRESS, GO TO CALI, ask some people from other parts, it really is there view of cali due to the drug money and really a desire to take the easy way out at all costs.

Yes, there are wonderful people in cali, hard workers and respectable, but for the most part, they have a terrible reputation from there own countrymen. I am only telling you what i hear in my travels to other parts.

I only tell what i hear

KB

... in response to Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Kiltboy1 on May 26, 2005

Whole city for your rotten apple.  Use your head dude

... in response to Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Kiltboy1 on May 26, 2005


in terms of a flame war. What you're hearing 'bout calenas is bullshit. I can give you personal horror stories about the so-called "respectable" people from the cities you've mentioned....

But I'm not as narrow minded to brand an entire city!

... in response to Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Kiltboy1 on May 26, 2005

"YOU WANT A WIFE, GO TO MEDELLIN, YOU WANT A MISTRESS, GO TO CALI"  
I have heard the same line KB. Maybe we have travelled in the same circles in the past.
"CALI IS THE BLACK EYE OF COLOMBIA"
Could not have said it any better. It really is.
Thankfully Colombia has a lot more to offer than Cali and the intelligent man knows this. Good for you going forward with women from other parts of the country and best of luck to you in your pursuit KB.

... in response to Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Kiltboy1 on May 26, 2005

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I'm not surprised they'd roll their eyes as the people from the three major cities will always have a put down for the other two.  There's a bit of a competition between the cities that reminds me of how us in Northern California frequently enjoy snide remarks about our neighbors in Southern California.  Calenos do the same but truthfully I have never attributed much to these sort of things. Maybe you and Ekas do.

Regarding your remark about mistresses, I can assure you that the men in Medellin have plenty of mistresses too and trust me they're not importing them from Cali. lol  Having mistresses seems to be universal in Colombia.  You brought up drug money as if to suggest that the drug money has adversely influenced the morals of Calenos.  Well if that's the case, I could say the same of Medellin.  Pablo Escobar is a hero to many in Medellin, should I conclude from this that the women of Medellin make lessor wives?

... in response to Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Cali James on May 26, 2005

The Paisas are much better women than the Calenas. You are married to a Calena so I do not think you are an impartial observer. You want to defend the Calenas by all means go at it. Like I said the guy that loves Cali is perfect for Cali.
I only only used Medellin as an example, the Bogota women and Barranquilla women are also much better women.
Anyways I do not wish to get into a flame war with you, you are happy with your Calena, so good for you.
I only chipped in with my take on KB Cali observations, and as I stated, I could not agree with him more.

... in response to Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Ekas on May 26, 2005

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We all have our biases and preferences and I suspect you have yours too.  But instead of stating your preference and leaving it at that, you put down all the women of Cali in a very suspect generalization.

Anyway, I'm not looking to flame, I just think your statement should at least be challenged. To this point, you've given no evidence why Cali would be different than the other major cities in Colombia. Now if we're just talking about agency subculture, there very well may be a higher incidence of insincere women in the agencies of Cali as apposed to the other cities, but that's not because Calenas in general are any worse.  It's because gringos who like to party go to Cali by and large.  The gringos are the ones attracting the less desirable women to the agencies, throwing money at them and so forth.  

But if you step back from the very narrow world of the agencies and look at the women from the cities in general.  I don't think you'll find Bogotenas much different than costenas or Calenas in their basic values.  I think a person could make a case for rural vs. city in terms of values but I doubt the large cities have much difference.

... in response to Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Ekas on May 26, 2005

Finaly someone WHO GETS IT !!

KB

... in response to Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Kiltboy1 on May 25, 2005

Of course, I definitely agree about learning the spanish...and I like your approach regarding meeting women over the internet.  It is a great approach that has worked very well for me also...BUT on the other hand, many of the women that one meets on the internet can be just as dangerous as the agency women (and the "notorious" Cali girls).  Many of these internet women are corresponding with many other men while they are corresponding with you, and many are latin men.  It, like the agency scene can be a dangerous game, so just be careful...
But it can be very rewarding at the same time...I know that many men are jaded with the Cali scene, but I believe there are many sincere women in Cali, and in the Cali agencies...
Like the agencies, look for the red flags with these internet women...hopefully your spanish will help in this area...
meanwhile good luck in your search!!

... in response to Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Kiltboy1 on May 25, 2005

KB - Thanks to CaliJames I now know the story behind the post.  Bro you sound jilted and still hurt!  Check yourself.

... in response to Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Kiltboy1 on May 25, 2005

KB,
I have  been meaning to contact you,I was wondering how it was going.Sounds like its not working there but must have been to a certain extent to last this long this time.
There is alot of truth in what you say in general,but again you state it to extremes,as if there is not one good woman in Cali or at an agency.There are alot of women who would never go to an agency that might be a good catch,so its probably a good idea to widen your search.And Cali probably has more than its share of user women looking for a free ride.But there are lots of good ones in my opinion,even at the agencies.
Cali James,who posted below sure got one.Several other guys I could mention also.
And,so far,none of your internet amigas have worked out,right?I know you have had ones before you thought were the one,then some how they were not as immagined.
Actually there is nothing wrong with your approach.I might even admit for a guy who speaks spanish its probably a better way to go.
But its not the only way,and Cali and agencies,for all their risks can produce a winner also.
Sounds like you won't be coming to Cali,but then again you might like when your notions about Barranquilla didn't pan out.Somehow I think you will be back here,and might even wind up with another Calena.Its not the only game,just the biggest one going with the most choices.
Good luck,I really do hope whatever your approch it works for you.There is a woman out there somewhere who will be your next relationship.Who knows where she is right now.So keep on keeping on.

Pete

... in response to Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Kiltboy1 on May 25, 2005

Hey Wingman:

I love the part about having met "beautiful educated workers that pay all there own bills and actually know what a newspaper and world events are." I once asked a lady in MDE a few months ago if she knew who was the President of the US - her answer: Bill Clinton. I figure if I know who Uribe is - she ought to know who is the Pres of the US is for g..ds sake!

... in response to Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Kiltboy1 on May 25, 2005

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deleted my post

... in response to If you make poor choices, spanish doesn'..., posted by Cali James on May 25, 2005

Sorry to bust your bubble James

I have no feelings at all for my wife except as friends.

Since she returned she has been a very sincere
woman,not like before.

It is me that has nbo feelings, me that is pushing her out  and me that made the decision based on we have nothing in common.

If i had known spanish(remeber the gist of the original post)  i would have been able to determine the many things we did not have in common and make a differnt choice, or no choice at all. All i went through really prepared me for the real special women i am encountering  becuase we can reall communicate

Again,GIST OF THE ORIGINAL POST

... in response to Re: If you make poor choices, spanish do..., posted by Kiltboy1 on May 25, 2005

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Yea, gist of your original post had something to do about Spanish but was also a big put down on Cali and the women who come from there.  The first point could have been made without any reference to the second.  You made the connection and I gave some background why you might feel so bitterly towards Calenas. If you're saying that your views about Calenas is not in any way related to your on again, off again relationship with your Calena wife than so be it, I'll accept that.  I don't normally comment on other people's wives but you spoke so poorly of her in the past, that I believed you when you said she was a not a good person. I only repeated information in my post that you had posted here first.  I must admit that I was skeptical that she could change when you indicated last year that she had.  The reality is, is that in rare cases some people do change.  I'm glad to hear that she was one of them and my apologies for suggesting that perhaps she hadn't. Only you and her would know this so I overstepped my knowledge.  

But please don't put down all Calenas.  You can meet good and bad people anywhere.  Agencies can be dangerous for sure but there are a lot of decent women in the books when people take the time and effort to seperate the sincere from those who aren't.  

James

... in response to If you make poor choices, spanish doesn'..., posted by Cali James on May 25, 2005

No problem james

We all have our opinions and this was only mine.
Main thing is to learn the Spanish

... in response to Re: If you make poor choices, spanish do..., posted by Kiltboy1 on May 25, 2005

I would also ad that for the most part the "experts" say that "communication" as a whole is only approximately 20% verbal...  maybe a contributing factor in all of the failed relationships where the two people do speak the same language...  Actions tend to speak louder than words... so does "body language"...

... in response to Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Kiltboy1 on May 25, 2005

Hey, good advice on learning Spanish and such.  

Do you mind me asking what cities have you visited before?  It sounds like your comparision of braindead women and REAL WOMEN are based on a comparison of Cali women to thoese you have just met.  Is this accurate?

Personally I don't have experience with Cali. I've been to Bogota many times and I found there women to more like what you described you have found recently.  

I also just got back from Peru this week and it appears from my limited exposure there that there are many nice women there.

The best is located where you find it.

... in response to Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Onephd on May 25, 2005

to ONEPHD

I have met women from all over colombia for going on 2 years or more. I always tried to go back to cali and give the calenas another try, but i am going to be honest here and tell you that in general, the calenas lack many things that most men look for in a partner. they are beautiful , but there attitude in generla is much poorer and less developed then the woman from Bogota, medellin, barranquilla, and cartagena

So, yes, i have met them from all over , good bad and ugly(lol) , but i now have a criteria that i look for beauty and brains and a desire to work ,understand what it menas to pay for things, be responsable for there own lives and work to help the family, not just to look good in a short skirt,.

I just find  that much more in women from different parts of colombia

hell, i have 5 girls visiting the states this sumemr and they all are wanting to come visit me in my state  and pay there own airfare

3 from medellin
1 from panama
1 from peru

all educated, workers but they like me because i joke with them, compliment them, get really in depth with them

AGAIN, ALL IN SPANISH

... in response to Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Onephd on May 25, 2005

Hello

The gist of my post was not to put cali women down. They are what they are and for the most part, and that is not up to speed with the rest of the country. Yes, you can find a good woman in cali if you look hard enough and my comparison was them to women of the other cities is accurate.

I have been to cali, madellin, cartagena, barranquilla, pereira, all the little pueblos near cali, bogota, ibague  and san andres. the onlt city of any size i have not visited is bucaramanga.

The agency gig i did and yes i met a real winner/i mean loser , mostly because i did not know spanish (which is the gist of my post to beging with and why it is essential for a man to really know spanish before he makes the trip south

Jilted,Holding a grudge, jaded,
ON THE CONTRARY

My bad experience, and she is still here and like a bad cold i cannot get rid of her, is why i have such a understanding now that i did not have then and a greater appreciation of really how much work and learning it takes to make this thing really work well.

Look, i can laugh, cry, make love, have conversation, be  a  friend and an  enemy all  IN SPANISH to any woman i talk to, how many of you can do that and is that not what you look for with someone  anyway, of any culture.

Which again, IS THE GIST OF MY POST.

More agency marriages fail then make it worldwide and  to me cali is a braindead place because the attitdue of salsa, party , eat, drink, and be merry, because tomorrow we die

WELL, DAVE MATTHEWS IS LOADED AND BUSTED HIS ASS FOR YEARS, the cali girls, DID NOT

The mentality in other parts of colombia are way more different then in the cauca

Like i said, each to there own, i enjoy other fishing holes and cali does have a place in the overall game

I do not plan to return there  not because i hate the place, but because i like the other areas better. My good friends like Pete , i will hook up with in say cartagena or some place when he needs a break.

No bad will or flame intended in the post  and i wrote it to really emphasize  LEARN YOUR SPANISH FOOL BEFORE YOU GET TRY TO KNOW OR UNDERSTAND A LATIN WOMAN, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT OTHERWISE

TAKE THAT BIT OF ADVISE TO THE BANK GENTS

... in response to Re: Re: Learn The D??M  Spanish , posted by Kiltboy1 on May 25, 2005

KB,

very good post and it seems like you have the right attitude...
I was talking to my vice-president of my company today about my woman situation, and he has some experience in South America as a Mormon missionary when he was younger...
My problem, he stated,... is that I just have too many choices, too many women on the line, and I agree.
If a gringo is young looking, handsome, successful, charming, and is fluent in spanish, he can go ANYWHERE in South America, and in a few days meet some lovely ladies and have the time of his life...and this can be confusing, but on the other hand, make a man settle for nothing less than what he is looking for.
Kiltboy, looks like you have the right idea...

BTW: yes, I was describing myself above...hahaha

... in response to very good post, posted by beenthere on May 25, 2005

It is a lot of truth in that

keep yourself in shape, learn spanish so you can really put the charm on , and it is like taking candy from a baby

Ask Pete, he has seen me in action. I always walk away with the girl if i want her, ALWAYS

But i know how a latin woman ticks now and the only way i learned was to learn spanish to be able to probe what a larin woman really looks for in a man and i can tell in less then 5 minutes if they want a relationship, adventure, novio only or just a friend and i can make my approach based on that imformation

I know it sounds like a game, and in some respects, it is  a little, but it cuts through all the pre-concieved notions about how illusioned a latin woman is with a gringo

KB