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Title: Pope overload Post by: Patrick on April 04, 2005, 04:00:00 AM I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting really sick of the Pope's death. I had to endure a continuous Popevision on a Spanish language channel at home all weekend. It's all over foxnews.com now.
At least on the Spanish language channel some of the mourning outfits the female anchors were wearing were sexy- Can they go to hell for that? Bury the guy and let's get back to some real news. Oh shit, I guess the alternative is the Michael Jackson trial! On second thought, let's see some more sexy black mourning outfits... Title: the Pope died??? no way!! Post by: Malandro on April 08, 2005, 04:00:00 AM Title: Re: Pope overload Post by: Michael B on April 07, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Pope overload, posted by Patrick on Apr 4, 2005
Didn't you know that the Pope is a super hero? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/oukoe_pope_comic Title: Geez....Now, we have the betting odds on the top 5 Post by: Hoda on April 06, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Pope overload, posted by Patrick on Apr 4, 2005
candidates on who's gonna be the next Pope! Dionigi Tettamanzi (Italy) 11/4 4.3/1 Francis Arinze (Nigeria) 11/4 7.6/1 Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga (Honduras) 9/2 7.8/1 Joseph Ratzinger (Germany) 7 11.5/1 Claudio Hummes (Brazil) 9 8.8/1 Title: LOL...Now we know where the Cardinals.... Post by: Hoda on April 06, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Pope overload, posted by Patrick on Apr 4, 2005
[This message has been edited by Hoda] and Bishops shop for their vines (clothing). According to the news report, visiting Cardinals & Bishops "must" stop by Gammarelli's (sp) before visiting Vatican City. These robes can run into the THOUSAND'S of dollars. It still amazes me how many of our spiritual leaders, no mater the religion spend their parishioners money... Title: Re: Pope overload Post by: Bueller on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Pope overload, posted by Patrick on Apr 4, 2005
I've tried reading Alexander Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago, but found it unbearable. I kept thinking I was going to put the book down and find out the story was only a warped science-fiction fantasy about a giant insane asylum; but it all really happened, and went on for seventy years, with the approval and apology of millions of Westerners even to this day. Even if driving a stake into the heart of communism and liberating over a dozen countries were this Pope's only accomplishment, he is worthy of the coverage. Title: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: Pete E on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Pope overload, posted by Bueller on Apr 5, 2005
You giving him credit for the last sentinces accomplishments?I don't think any one person deserves credit for what now seems was inevitable.But if you had to name one person it would be Ronald Reagan. My opinion is some people did hurry it along,including Pope John Paul 11,and Reagan.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: Bueller on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by Pete E on Apr 5, 2005
Well, yes, I sure don't mean to slight Reagan-- I have a deep amiration for them both, and realize that they both played crucial parts in the nonviolent end of the USSR. But I just recently went through Reagan Overload, and this is the Pope's moment. Title: Ageed nt Post by: Pete E on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM Title: Wait a minute please Post by: Onephd on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Pope overload, posted by Patrick on Apr 4, 2005
I know that this thread had more to do more with the sensationalism the media creates and such, but lets not let that have us forget the magnitude of what really transpired. With that said. I can agree that the television broadcast of the Pope is near death series was strong, but perhaps that was because we just got done with a what seemed to be a month of the Terry Schaivo case. In my opinion that what was never supposed to be on television all day every day. That was nothing but a diversion from the uhmmm "War on Iraq" and high gas prices. Now back to the Pope. I'm a catholic but I'm not a fanatic. However, can anyone strongly disagree that the Pope is the most well known symbolic person on the face of the earth? Yes I said the earth. I'm 38 years old and for the most part he is the only Pope that I have really known. When a Pope dies, it is major news and worthy of everyone’s attention because a person may only experience two or three in their lifetime. Popes are not like Presidents that come and go every 4-8 years. Like I said I don't think they should have had the "pre death coverage" on Friday like they did. But when he was dead, I do think that the news had a right and reason to have the coverage they had. I mean, come on, they blistered us with BS about Reagan when he died, showing his dysfunctional family and claiming how great a president he was. Why not give the Pope his props? We have to remember that in the US, we have new religion pop up every day. However, in SA, and other places, Catholicism rules. I doubt that anyone here or anyplace else can tell you the highest ranking official of any other religion. Again, I'm not a fanatic, but doe we really realize how big of an event this really was? Title: why the cheap shot at Reagan though?? Post by: Malandro on April 08, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Wait a minute please, posted by Onephd on Apr 5, 2005
Heat brought up a good point about Jesse Jackson but you took it as a racial thing. when Clinton dies, the media eulogies will drawf what was given to Reagan. Title: Re: why the cheap shot at Reagan though?? Post by: OkieMan on April 08, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to why the cheap shot at Reagan though??, posted by Malandro on Apr 8, 2005
Malandro, About the supposed future Clinton eulogies -- I hope you are wrong, but probably not. Personally, I can't stand the guy, but I am a conservative, white Republican. Having said that, every dead President gets some coverage. I am old enough to remember the Kennedy assissination and funeral. That was massive! Other presidents have received some decent coverage by the media. Even Nixon got by easier than I thought he would. I figured the media would crucify him, even at his funeral; but overall it wasn't bad. But, Reagan was fantastic, and he deserved the great sendoff. I voted for him twice and I am proud of it! OkieMan Title: Re: Wait a minute please Post by: Pete E on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Wait a minute please, posted by Onephd on Apr 5, 2005
I agree this is a rare and very newsworthy event.I also agree with Patrick we are getting overload on it.But that seems to be the case with the media.They seem to think they need to talk about the number one story 24-7. Actually it is a welcome break from Terry Schiavo and Michael Jackson.And watching the selection process could be very interesting.But I get real tired of all the rehash stories we see over and over again while getting no other news. Pete Title: Re: Re: Wait a minute please Post by: OkieMan on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Wait a minute please, posted by Pete E on Apr 5, 2005
Pete, The reason for the rehash of the news is that they have nothing new to say, but are unwilling to let it go. So, they do everything but tell you when the Vatican is doing their laundry! Again, it's all about ratings, advertising dollars and who's news organization is # 1. So, this will just have to wind itself down. OkieMan Title: No YOU wait a minute ....................... Post by: Heat on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Wait a minute please, posted by Onephd on Apr 5, 2005
I mean, come on, they blistered us with BS about Reagan when he died, showing his dysfunctional family and claiming how great a president he was. Why not give the Pope his props? "" So why the political comments? Do ya think you're baiting us with loaded stuff like this? Do ya think when Jessie "The Scam" Jackson dies we will hear about his great works? The bloody shirt that he faked after the MLK murder? His bastard kids or his $5000.00 suits or limo rides? Nope you will be given the same shit the one sided media has always given us. Or will we hear about how he hijacked the dream and made it his gravy train to riches? Come on dude, you can do better. Title: Oh please give it a break Post by: Onephd on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to No YOU wait a minute ......................, posted by Heat on Apr 5, 2005
[This message has been edited by Onephd] Nope, no baiting here. Just stating my OPINION. Funny, you are the only one that jumped up and screamed foul. What makes you think I would scream anything when Jesse Jackson dies? Do you think that because I'm a Black man that I think everything Black is right? Perhaps your thinking is tainted by skin color , but not mine. I call them like I see them. If you are wrong you are wrong Black or White or whatever!! Funny how you didn't jump on any bodies case when the tread discussion went from the Pope to Michael Jackson, and then on to Johnny Cochran. Where was your self-rightous BS then? You didn't accuse anyone of "baiting" in that case. More importantly you did see any black person jump up and cry foul. Look at you? You could not wait to jump up and state something negative about Jesse Jackson. Who in the hell is talking about Jesse Jackson???? Nobody but you. oh yeah, I guess there have never been any dishonest or bad white people. Go figure Perhaps you my friend that is too sensitive or maybe you just like to try and bust my chops when you get a chance. But rembember, I stand by what I say, admit when I'm wrong, and apologize to those I may offend. So please if all you want to do is bust my chops or accuse me of being a racist or political take it some where else. Try focusing on the subject of the post and not worry about trying to attact every word of it literally. Please stop trying to make any black man wbo states an unpopular decision out to be an angry militant of some sort. I posted about my thoughts and OPINION on the tread about there being too much made of the Popes death. Title: How would I know if you're black? Post by: Heat on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Oh please give it a break, posted by Onephd on Apr 5, 2005
Dude, I'm part Black, Indian or whatever. One of my daughters is brown. I do not believe in race.
I love black girls!....Cause my mami was part something. That's why I've got kinky hair. Don't be so quick to play that card........... BESIDES..... How would I know what color you are? Put the name Jerry Falwell in that post. Whoever you would like. They are all the same. Take a chill pill and don't play that card till ya really need it. Title: Re: How would I know if you're black? Post by: Onephd on April 06, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to How would I know if you're black?, posted by Heat on Apr 5, 2005
Dude let it go! I have been posting here for a few years. Up until a few weeks ago, I clearly stated that I was black in my profile. I have posted about the experiences of black men in Bogota etc. Its not hard to know who is black and who is white etc on this board. Im' not even reading your posts and I would suggest you simply don't read mine. Your contributions(uhmm) are non productive and you want to be some type of Poppa smurf. thats fine. what ever helps you sleep at night. I'm not mad at you, and I'm not wasting anymore of my time with you. You have some type of agenda other than finding a wife. I could and will be spending my time corresponding my lady friend rather than trying to have a conversation with you. I suggest you do the same so we both can find what we are looking for. ha ha. Again, notice how much support you get with your rants and raves. NONE. Join the crowd and stop trying to impress everyone. This is not an intellectual debate, its a BB to express ideas and experiences and opinions. Let it GO. Peace out and best of luck in the search.. Title: Re: Re: How would I know if you're black? Post by: Ray on April 06, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: How would I know if you're black?, posted by Onephd on Apr 6, 2005
OOPS! I didn’t know that you were black. Was I supposed to? What difference does it make anyway and why are you so sensitive about it? Ray :-) Title: Re: Pope overload Post by: zack on April 04, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Pope overload, posted by Patrick on Apr 4, 2005
Better get used to it Patrick because this pope coverage isn't going away any time soon. When they finally say enough about the pope's life, then there will be a lot of coverage about electing a new pope, and so on. But I agree with you- enough is enough. I'm almost to the point where I'd rather watch the Micheal Jackson trial. Nothing against catholics. Title: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: Pete E on April 04, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Pope overload, posted by zack on Apr 4, 2005
Plant the pope.Put Michael in a cell with a 250 lb child molester.Lets move on. Pete Title: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: OkieMan on April 04, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by Pete E on Apr 4, 2005
Pete, What Michael needs is to be put in with the general population of San Quentin for 24-48 hours. Then the warden could ship his corpse home! Even that is too good for the little maggot! I hate anyone who is a child molester! But, the other half of this continuing saga is that over the last 10-12 years, look at how many "celebrity" trials there have been? To that end, I vote to put a bunch of those slimy lawyers in prison with Michael; starting with Michael's lawyer with the bad hairdo! ha They wouldn't last two days! Unfortunately, Johnny Cockroach, I mean Cochran is already pushing up daisys! The news media tried to eulogize that creep after he croaked. What a dirt bag! So, fellows, take your pick-- the Pope, Michael Jackson Trial, or just hang loose until the NEXT CELEBRITY TRIAL! Sounds fun!!!! OkieMan Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: valuedcustomer on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by OkieMan on Apr 4, 2005
Since the pope and Michael Jackson have been brought up in the same thread, I think it is important to remind ourselves of the widespread child abuse that has occurred in the Catholic Church. It is now widely known that bishops would take problem priests they knew to be molesting children and simply move them to another church. A person that has compassion for children and guided by moral principles would never have done this. And the pope is also on record for saying he thinks the scandal was overblown. If he truly had love for children wouldn’t he have worked day and night to remove this corruption from his organization even if it was one child ? In the final analysis the image of the church was more important to all of them then the children of their gullible flocks. Does this mean the pope was a bad person? I don’t think so. He did many good things. I think the larger lesson is that popes, cardinals, and priests are no better and no more moral then the rest of us. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: OkieMan on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by valuedcustomer on Apr 5, 2005
I agree. No matter who did the deed, if it involves molesting children, they should be horse-whipped, shot in the head, and chopped up for fish food! As you can see, I am not tolerate at all about child abuse or neglect, in any form! I raised 3 sons, and helped to raise a step-daughter. They are precious to me, as I am sure the many children who were molested in the multitude of cases that we have been discussing in this thread. However, I do not have a special axe to grind with any particular group or religion. Truth is still the truth! OKieMan Title: Pope overload Post by: Cali James on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by valuedcustomer on Apr 5, 2005
This is just my opinion but I think the child molestation cases are the product of a gay clergy here in the United States. If you look at the victims, they're many cases post pubescent boys. It happened in San Jose, a priest took two boys camping, gave them some kind of drug and then orally copulated them, disgusting. I myself am Catholic. I'm disgusted that gays are allowed into the priesthood. I think the seminaries may prefer gays to people who are straight. My friend who interviewed with a seminary, met with the seminary's psychologist for entrants. My friend was left with the impression that if you were not active sexually (chaste) you were considered abnormal and less worthy of admission then if you'd been a homosexual. I've heard similar stories many times. I never heard the Pope downplay the problem personally. All good Catholics should be scandalized by this. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: Pete E on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by valuedcustomer on Apr 5, 2005
One of the problems with institutions is they have an immage to protect.Some US Cardinals got way more in to protecting their immage than protecting the children in their flock.We can't blame the pope directly for that but perhaps he should have tried to flush out the truth more than the US news media. Was the scandal overblown?As important as it was yes. Although getting the church to fess up,which they never really did was worth overblowing it.I think that Cardinal in Boston should be in Jail.I think he just got moved out of the limelight. And,I don't think the church has ever really fessed up for the inquisition.Maybe a mistakes were made comment.When I was a kid the nuns claimed it never happened.Maybe they didn't know any better.But someone upstairs had to know better.Think about it.184 years ago in Colombia you could be tortured and then if thought guilty burned at the stake.For YOUR BELIEFS.800 people met that fate by gods little helpers.And thousands were probably maimed for life.Just 2.2 lifetimes of the last pope back. On a possitive note,you would have to say they have made great strides in the 184 years.Things do change.Truth and reality do have to eventually be accomodated ,if not directly addressed.You don't get fried for saying the Earth is not the center of the Universe anymore. But,in times back great ignorance abounded.It wasn't exclusive to the catholic church,but they seemed to be leaders in it.Now we have the Muslims about where the catholics were a few hundred years ago. The good old days were not good old.Those who think so are ignorant of history. Pete Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: OkieMan on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by Pete E on Apr 5, 2005
Pete, All very true. When any group, organization, government or religious organization starts getting into trouble for any and all problems, crimes, etc; the first thing they do is the old CYA routine. They point the finger at someone else; they pass the buck. They do any and everything but face the truth and correct the root cause of the problem. I know that we are not comparing apples to apples; but look at the big corporate scandals over the last few years. The Enron bunch, Worldcom, you name it; First, they thought they could get away with it. When that did not work, they stalled, passed the buck or whatever. Now, many of them are enjoying the hospitality of a Federal Prison. The Catholic Church has gotten themselves into this mess because the leadership thought they were above reproach. Let's face it,they are very connected and powerful. But, finally, the parents, the government watchdogs, etc said enough is enough. Finally, you have to have someone who has the guts to stand up to anyone who is pulling this crap! There are not too many leaders who will do that, but there are a few. OkieMan Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: valuedcustomer on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by Pete E on Apr 5, 2005
It is true that they are more decent now then 200 years ago, but they have been drug kicking & screaming to that position by secular society. They don’t kill people anymore because they don’t have the power too. Secular society shaped by science and technology has been the real leader of society for the past 200 years. Authoritarian hierarchies are on the way out... being replaced by heterarchical communities of people cooperating with each other. The Catholic Church is the oldest and biggest hierarchy in existence, but it is fading fast.. especially in Europe. In France, less than 9% of Catholics attend church anymore... even in Italy less than 30% attend. The recent abuse scandle has left a permanent imprint on the American Church. Latin America is their best hope for growth... but the Mormons and Protestants are very competitive. What worked in the middle ages doesn’t work today. People can find far more meaning forming their own church of 10 people meeting over the Internet. And with the Internet providing instant communications it’s going to become impossible for any organization to hide it’s dark little secrets for very long. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: Pete E on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by OkieMan on Apr 4, 2005
I saw Larry King the other night,they were talking about Johnny Cochrane.They had his daughter on the phone,who sounded like a very nice person.Someone called in and asked the $64,000 question.Did Johnny spring a guy he knew was guilty?There were 2 honest people there.Marsha Clark says yeah,I think he knew he was guilty.Chris Darden avoided the question,saying it doesn't matter now.It does matter,he was being kind.F Lee Bailey,true to form lyed his Ass off,saying Johnny really thought OJ was innocent,proving the old joke,"how do you know when a attorney is lying? You can see his lips move." Sorry Burbuja.I don't think Bailey even knows what the truth is anymore. My answer.Johnny was NOT stupid.Of course he knew he did it.He was a very likable guy,and his putting the LA cops on trial was brilliant,but he got alot of fame out of springing a guy he knew damn well was guilty. That verdict,then alot of overturned verdicts recently based on DNA evidence seems to shout there is one legal system for the poor,a different one for the rich. But,I don't think Michael is going to buy his way out of it.But I don't think what he did should be considered an offence that gets you 20 years.He is just a sick puppy who bought himself some playmates who happened to be way too young.Sh!t if he was in to chicks he could have a ball here no problem.What a little dork. Pete Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: OkieMan on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by Pete E on Apr 5, 2005
Pete, I agreed with most of what you said, until you said what you did about Michael Jackson. So, ask yourself this. If sweet Michael was groping or othewise messing with your kid; what would you do, (quiz time): 1) Take him to get some counseling, or 2) Take him out into the woods and put a bullet in his sick little brain? I raised 3 sons. If I had ever found some pervert messing with one of my boys, I would have killed him before he ever made it to trial! Fortunately, that never happened, since I would not want to spend a life sentence in prison. Seriously, I am not a violent person, but that would put me over the edge! OkieMan Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: zack on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by OkieMan on Apr 5, 2005
I think that the dark side of OkieMan is emerging :-) Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: OkieMan on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by zack on Apr 5, 2005
Zack, The only "dark side" of me, is that of a protective parent and grandparent. I have no toleration for pedophiles; no matter who they are!
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: zack on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overloa..., posted by OkieMan on Apr 5, 2005
Just kidding with you Okie. I don't have much tolerance for pedophiles either. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: Pete E on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by OkieMan on Apr 5, 2005
The crime as I have heard it is only groping.I don't condone that,it can mess with a kids head,but its not in their with murder.5 years would be plenty.2 more like it. But he is a sick little f- -ker.With lots of fans.Go figure.They were talking about him on a TV talk show a couple of years ago.Donna Brazil,a black political consultant said "I didn't know Michael Jackson was Black again." God what a insult to his heritage to turn himself in to a freak to try and change it.He was a cute little kid.Even about the time of his "thriller" album he still looked good if modified. Pete Title: Colombian Pope Post by: Cali James on April 04, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Pope overload, posted by Pete E on Apr 4, 2005
You heard it here first, the next Pope will be Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos of Colombia. (-: Title: Re: Colombian Pope Post by: Pete E on April 04, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Colombian Pope, posted by Cali James on Apr 4, 2005
James, Really?Are you serious?There has been one non Italian Pope in 400 years and he just died. But,if you are right,they will be proud as hell of him here.They are a little egocentric in their news here.If it wasn't for Juan Pablo Montoya they would not even know what formula racing one was.I mean they are a little behind in their car situation here.A race car would be a new Hyundai. I mean you think you haven't heard any news other than the old pope,if the new one was Colombian there would be no other newshere for awhile.Farc could invade Bogota it would be on page 2. But,it would be a SMART move.Where are most of the new would be catholics?Yup.South America.And if they don't watch it the Mormans will kick their butt.Italy is in the bag already.I don't know if your old enough to remember the saying "is the pope Italian?"It was kind of like a version of "does a bear sh!t in the woods?" A forgone conclusion. OK,OLD broma.These people are at the airport waiting for the pope to arrive.One guy yells out "there is his plane." Someone asks " How do you know?" He says "see that TWA on the tail?That means Top Whop Abourd." Actually,for as slow moving as it has been in the past,I think the church out of necesity or just new thinking will be a more progresive and outreaching in the future. The question is will they next pope be the next John Paul or will they go for a safer fill in choice in between?Remember the guy who lasted 3 months? Seems like younger blood is needed if they want someone to be around awhile. Question.Wasn't John Paul at 58 Real young to be choosen? I would think a record but then remember the lower life expectancy of the old days. I grew up a catholic and I consider you to be one of the most serious I have met while still being an open minded person.And I appreciate your not taking offence at my diatribes. Pete Title: Colombian Pope Post by: Cali James on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Colombian Pope, posted by Pete E on Apr 4, 2005
[This message has been edited by Cali James] Well in the old days, the college of cardinals was almost exclusively Italian, nowdays it's more evenly divided. From what I've read, Hoyos is a leading candidate. I'm hoping for a non-Italian, I would personally like to see the new pope come from Africa or Latin America. Yes, I think late 50's was very young, some of the names I'm hearing are men in their mid 70's. The Colombian cardinal is somewhere in his 70's. Cardinal Ratzinger is almost 80 and I've heard his name also. Oh well, one thing we can be certain of it won't be an American bishop, thankgod!! The American bishops should be embarrassed by how they've handled the gay clergy/molestation issue over the past 50 years. What a disgrace. As far as your diatribes, I don't take offense. I understand your point of view but see things a bit differently. From my perspective, the church has in a sense two natures, one divine because I believe it was instituted by Christ and another human as it's members are like you and I, prone to goodness but also sin. I think a lot of the scandels and injustices have come from the human nature of the Church, priests, bishops, ordinary people doing bad things to people or themselves. I think despite some of the Church's misdeeds, overall our world is better for having had it. It would be interesting to see how the world would have developed had Christianity been a 1st century fad that died away. Would the world be better? Title: Re: Re: Colombian Pope Post by: pablo on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Colombian Pope, posted by Pete E on Apr 4, 2005
Although highly unlikely, what Cali James said about the next pope being Latin, does have some merit to it. “QUITO, Apr 1 (IPS) - Observers both inside and outside the Catholic Church believe there are numerous cardinals in Latin America and the Caribbean with sufficient merits to succeed Pope John Paul II, and although they feel such a scenario to be unlikely, they are not completely ruling out a surprise choice.” Full story: http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=28130 Title: Re: Colombian Pope Post by: OkieMan on April 04, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Colombian Pope, posted by Cali James on Apr 4, 2005
You want to hear something funny? I heard that there are Irish bookmakers taking bets on who the next Pope will be? Can you believe that crap? OkieMan Title: Re: Re: Colombian Pope Post by: Michael B on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Colombian Pope, posted by OkieMan on Apr 4, 2005
[This message has been edited by Michael B] What's weird about that? Brits and Irish both hold betting pools on every major election. The pool for who: The pool for his Pope Name: Title: Re: Re: Re: Colombian Pope Post by: Pete E on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Colombian Pope, posted by Michael B on Apr 5, 2005
I notice a guy from Nigeria who has equal to the best odds? Is he black?A black pope?Why do I think we will see a black US president first? I suspect he is not black,even if from Nigeria.I doubt they are up to being for a black cardinal yet.There must be some black priests?Bishops? And women? Forget it.Maybe in a few hundred years if they are still around. Hmm,if this betting line continues to the end some some enterprissing cardinal could beat they hell out of his bingo games with a little insider imformation. Pete Title: Colombian Pope Post by: Cali James on April 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Colombian Pope, posted by Pete E on Apr 5, 2005
He's black and he's a Cardinal. Definitely one of the favorites as the Church in Africa is traditional and growing. Regarding women in the priesthood, it will never happen in the Catholic church. For those who want the Catholic look, smells and bells etc, but with a women priesthood, they need only look at the Anglicans. Title: Re: Pope overload Post by: Pete E on April 04, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Pope overload, posted by Patrick on Apr 4, 2005
Patrick, To me its like the tsunami.Its important,but not so important there should be no other news.I have CNN internation for my main world news,and I don't care much for them anyway,but since Friday I have not seen them talk about one other thing but the pope.I don't watch it full time,turn it on to see whats happening.Yes its the number one story,BUT THE ONLY STORY?? Between the funeral and the new pope selection I know they will talk about almost nothing else for 2 weeks or so. ENOUGH ALREADY!! Pete Title: Re: Pope overload Post by: OkieMan on April 04, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Pope overload, posted by Patrick on Apr 4, 2005
Patrick, I read you loud and clear. However, I also recently posted something about the Pope's death. One of my questions was asking if the latinas were really into the Pope thing or not? I am Protestant, no Catholic. I mean no disrespect, but I am not in mourning over the old boy passing away. He was 84 and had been in poor health for many years. Death is a part of life, so to speak. However, I respect the fact that a major world figure has passed on. Personally, I was a lot more interested when Ronald Reagan died last year, and he was 93! By the way, I somehow missed the ladies in the sexy mourning outfits. OkieMan Title: Re: Re: Pope overload Post by: Pete E on April 04, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Pope overload, posted by OkieMan on Apr 4, 2005
Just about all the latinas I have met I would call socially religious catholics.They don't even go to church but do buy in to the cultural thing they were brought up in.The non catholic christians I have met I consider more sincere in their faith,its not a cultural thing they fell in to. BUT,the pope does have huge status if you are a catholic.My one girl friend spent alot of the weekend here and watched alot of the news about "the papa".She had great affection for him.I asked her if she ever goes to church.She said no. And,if you are a SERIOUS catholic,the pope is considered the succesor to christ and St.Peter and INFALLABLE??? There are no infallable human beings.Ones with lots of institutional baggage are anything but infallable. I don't think I need a middleman between me and god and the catholic church is the biggest middleman going. But out of respect for a seeming very sincere and warm hearted guy I should not expound further on my thoughts here. It might even be interesting seeing who they come up with and where the church will head.Its not stuck in time,just VERY slow moving.Even here CHANGE IS INEVEIVTABLE.I won't expound on all the bad things they used to do and the dumb beliefs that had to give way to reality.And don't expect abunch of old guys who swore to celibacy all their life to say its no longer neccessary. Pete Title: Oh Yes..................................... Post by: Chris F on April 04, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Pope overload, posted by Patrick on Apr 4, 2005
I agree with you Patrick.. What was worst... as far as I am concerned....was the cable news channels 24 hours of...."he is almost dead" broadcasts that started on Friday morning. They milked that one bad......in very poor taste in my opinion. The lowest moment I watched of the "he is almost dead 24 news marathon" came in my opinion when an annoucement came from the church that stated something to the effect that the Pope had taken a closer move towards peace.
Title: Re: Oh Yes..................................... Post by: OkieMan on April 04, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Oh Yes....................................., posted by Chris F on Apr 4, 2005
Chris, What it boils down to is it's news that will sell. It's all about money with those news companies. TV networks,radio talk shows, newspapers, magazines, etc. I used to be in radio and newspaper. It's how they make their money; so they are going to milk it for all it's worth. You are probably too young to remember when Kennedy got shot in 63. We only had 3 networks in those days. I was 10 years old when he got shot, and I still remember the news coverage. That's all there was for days on end! But, naturally, it was a tragedy when a President or anyone is assassinated. But, in this case, you had an elderly Pope who was slipping away over several days. So, the news crews just camp out, and on and on it goes. We could all retire very comfortably on what they have spent over the last 3-4 days, just on covering this one story. OkieMan |