Brazilian agencies, A to Q

[bigbdm4]

I am on this list and I am also on the Latin Women List at St. John's University. I am a member of the lists as just me, I am not a member who is trying to promote anything, sell anything, or push any service or product. Some list members know me a little, a few know me a lot. A couple of times one or two of them have spoken about me and what I do. There's not much I can do about that, once I sent a private e-mail to one of them and told him not to talk about me. I do own an agency, but that is not why I am a list member. The reasons for my privacy are that I don't feel my stuff would contribute to helping anybody on the lists. The reasons I am a member of the lists is to offer support. I have traveled extensively throughout South America, and lived and worked in Brazil, I speak fluent Brazilian Portuguese, I have been happily married to a wonderful girl from Sao Paulo for fifteen years, and now that I am old, I don't mind sharing what I know, it's my gift to all the guys, and gals, on the lists, who have questions or problems, or just want to talk.

I am happy to communicate more openly about our agency, and what I know about the other agencies in Brazil, or anywhere, but I do not feel that posting it would contribute to the lists, however, I don't mind giving URL's. If you are serious about Brazil, why don't you send me a private e-mail? It is rare that anybody cares about Brazil on this list, or on the other list, either, maybe that is why there is so little info about Brazil. Nobody on either list goes there, with a few exceptions. Most of the guys on both lists go to Colombia, for obvious reasons. I have written on this list before about why the agencies in Brazil are few and so completely different from the agencies in Colombia. Just chalk it up to the differences of the cultures, and leave it at that. Here are some agency URL's of actual Brazilian agencies:

http://www.brazilianromance.com/

http://www.comovai.com.br/

http://www.braziliansingles.com.br/

http://www.firepassion.com/

http://simoesdepaiva.sites.uol.com.br/index.html

http://www.passion-site.com/home.htm

http://www.braziliancontact.com/

http://www.paixao.com.br/

http://brazilintro.com/agency.html

As you will notice, Latin Euro which is also Brazil Girls, is not listed. They are not Brazilian, and don't speak Portuguese, and buyer beware, once the money changes hands, that's the end of it. A responsible agency will actually act on behalf of their members. Long after the deal is done, the agency will remain in contact, and make sure that the deal stays done, that the girls who come to the USA are safe and well cared for and not abused. Too many agencies are not agencies at all, just market places.

Good luck!

Big B

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What I was saying is there is little imformation posted HERE about Brazil.And there are a couple of name sellers but no agencies I'm aware of.Again I'm talking about imformation available on this site.We have maybe 30 agencies advertising,but none in Brazil.And There are imformation sites like the one you pointed us to,but they don't seem geared to the search for women.
And your agency is still a mystery,I guess we can mail you privately to find out.Doesn't sound like you are trying very hard to promote anything.Maybe agency is probably the wrong word.I guess you are making some sort of a business attempt? Do you sell some sort of service?Consultant? Personal guide?Arrange meetings with women.Arrange places to stay?
Brazil is still a pretty unknown item arouind here,as far as meeting women there.So it seems to me there is a wide open opportunity to promote an agency.

Pete

[Bueller]

... in response to Brazilian agencies, A to Q, posted by bigbdm4 on Nov 30, 2003

On December 30, 2001, you wrote on LWL:

  But after all, my wife is my best teacher.  We usually study at breakfast.  We have books and flashcards, and
of course the conversations.  She is patient with my stupid mistakes, so my advice is learn from the ones you love; your family.

On December 15, 2002, you wrote on LWL:

 "My Brazilian wife and I take a walk on the beach for an hour every morning. That hour is my Portuguese lesson.  No English allowed during that walk. It was hard at first but became very cool, especially when I began to understand what Brazilians were saying, and singing."

...and now you write:

  I have traveled extensively throughout South America, and lived and worked in Brazil, I speak fluent Brazilian Portuguese..."

  ...which just set off my B.S. detector...again. So, where and when did you live and work in Brazil? Let me guess, your boilerplate none of my business, right? Sounds to me like another fabrication along the lines of your recent "Lester Buck isn't aware of this, but he is a successful former client of mine".

 It's not that your post above is without merit; I just want it to be noted that among your many unsavory traits is that of lying to boost your credibility.

[bigbdm4]

... in response to Re: Brazilian agencies, A to Q, posted by Bueller on Dec 1, 2003

Thank you for quoting my old postings to such a great extent.  I am flattered that anybody cares that much, to go to such great lengths about me.  Next are you going to post the URL of my agency web site?  That would be some truly great free advertising.  Like being on CNN but even better.  In loving memory of Samuel Clemmons, I don't care what you say about me, just spell my name correctly, and I will be happy to receive the notoriety.  

Your B.S. detector is detecting your own B.S.  Not that your posting has any merit at all, here is the general drift of things.  My father died about the same time as the Challenger disaster, when was that?  The spring of 1986, right?  Sorry if I am bad on dates.  I inherited some dough, and had always wanted to go to South America, having been many other places in the Merchant Marine Service, but never to South America.  So I went to the Amazon for the gold rush.  There was a gold rush then.  I wonder if anybody on this list even knows that.  I traveled to the Orinoco River, near Boa Vista, look that up in your Funk and Wagnall's, with your B.S. detector.  The problem with finding gold in Brazil is that there is only one customer, the federal government.  Oh, sure, there is a lot of stuff under the table, but I did not like the idea of spending the rest of my days in an Amazonian dungeon.  I strongly advise against breaking any law in a foreign country.  

For the next two years I traveled all around South America, I ended up back in Brazil, I had fallen in love with the country.  I love the music, the way the girls are, the food, the language, I was in a restaurant and I made the mistake of ordering a beer in Spanish, which is cervesa, the ending of the word sounds like "saw".  But in Portuguese it's cerveja, the ending of the word sounds like "jaw".  Big mistake, the waiter looked at me like something the cat had dragged in.  It's amazing how the Brazilian culture is.  Being a tourist, I was not allowed to work, but teaching American English is a job no Brazilian can do, and I was allowed to work in a school in Sao Paulo.  So I taught English for almost a year.

I returned to the USA in May of 1988, I remember that well.  By then, the AIDS epidemic had changed the way we all lived and found lovers.  Being the Harley riding playboy that I had been, I suddenly found that I was over the hill, nobody wanted to have sex, and the life that I had known was as gone as a dream upon waking.  I decided to get married and settle down, something I had never wanted before, I was almost forty years old, and I knew that I wanted to get married to a Brazilian.  So I did.  That was June 1989.  I have been very happy ever since.  

Finally, I don't care if anybody believes a single word.  Read it or don't read it, it's up to you.  What you believe is your own business, and none of mine.  Calling me a liar to solicit a good posting is just a ploy, and I don't mind, it's just a game, I like bragging about myself, and I like being quoted and stuff like that.  Yes, you're right, none of any of the above is anybody's business but my own.  Unsavory?  You stole that word from one of my most recent posting, you plagiarist.  But I am happy to be plagiarized, it means you consider my postings worth enough to steal from.  Thank you.

Big B    

[ald07]

... in response to Brazilian agencies, A to Q, posted by bigbdm4 on Nov 30, 2003

Hey bigbdm4

A while ago I saw an agency on the net in Salvador Bahia offering tours and other things.  Do you know if the agency is still in business and its reputation....

[bigbdm4]

... in response to Re: Brazilian agencies, A to Q, posted by ald07 on Dec 1, 2003

Ah, Salvador, Bahia.  I love it.  The center of African culture in Brazil.  If you go there, be sure to visit Porto Seguro.  I don't know why Oregonians would be so interested, but the University of Oregon has some good stuff about it.  Check it out:

http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~sergiok/brasil/salvador.html

And you can substitute a lot of other cities at the above URL after the brasil/  For example:

http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~sergiok/brasil/recife.html

http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~sergiok/brasil/rio.html

And my personal favorite:

http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~sergiok/brasil/parati.html

What I loved best about Salvador was the food and the music.  It all came from Africa.  In the USA about four hundred thousand black African people were brought in, sold and bought, until slavery ended about three hundred years later.  Slavery in Brazil lasted until 1888, and almost four million Africans ended up in Brazil.  But unlike here, Brazil is a vast wilderness full of wild head shrinking natives who would eat you, and I am not kidding about that.  Anyway, the slaves usually escaped and formed their own societies in conjunction with the natives.  The Portuguese didn't take it sitting down, and many small conflicts happened between the Portuguese and the natives who had mixed with the black Africans.  Many who had escaped were recaptured and re-enslaved.  Also unlike here, a slave could buy his own freedom, and many did, some became rich and powerful.  Unique to Brazil was the mixing of the races.  There are about a hundred different names for the hundred different tones of skin color.  It is amazing.  Nobody is white, some are as black as midnight, some are honey colored, in Brazil, when you say that a person is brunette, you are talking about the skin, not the hair.      

The only agency for introductions that we know about in Salvador is run by the Germans.  They get crazy for the dark skinned girls, the agency offers "flights of love".  That is, they charter an airplane and fill it full of German men who come all the way from Germany for a night or a week or a month of passion, then fly back to Germany with the memories.  Not an agency I care to recommend for a serious relationship.  If you are in the market for a flight of love, I have head that one night in Bangkok will make a strong man bend to his knees.  

I have to interject something here, listers.  The question about an agency in Salvador seems to be like asking about Colombia.  I see a lot of similar questions asking about agencies in this or that Colombian city.  Brazil is not like that at all.  Brazil is a huge country, larger than Australia, and a responsible agency is not going to be a local hotel or bar scene.  It doesn't matter where the agency is in Brazil, they are going to represent all of Brazil.  It's not like a local bar where you go to meet the local girls there.  That's Colombia.  Brazil is so different, I feel like I am trying to tell a stranger about rock and roll.  With Brazil, it's best to get acquainted with the girl you like before you go there.  If you are going to meet just one girl, go to her city.  Going to meet just one girl is quite controversial, some guys do, many have a shopping list, because meeting face to face even once could mean you want to cross that person off your list and move on.  If you go to meet ten people, maybe, if you have time and money, you could travel around to ten different cities, or maybe you could choose ten girls from one city, but anyway, the main point I am making here is to know before you go.

Good luck!

Big B

[Brazilophile]

... in response to Re: Re: Brazilian agencies, A to Q, posted by bigbdm4 on Dec 1, 2003

Some points about slavery in the US compared to Brazil.

I doubt the numbers Brian has given but Brazil DID receive more African slaves than any other country and currently has the largest African descent population outside of Africa.  (Second to Nigeria.)

Slavery was officially abolished in Brazil in 1888.  But unlike the US, at that time MOST Blacks were ALREADY free.  Revolts throughout the 19th century led to rapidly decreasing proportion of the African population being enslaved.  Similar to other LA countries, when slavery was taken off the books in Brazil it was mostly a token act because slavery had already been de facto over for many years.  I do not know the exact figure but I think only a third to a quarter, possibly less, of the Black population was formally and actively enslaved in 1888.  In contrast, in the US over 98% of Blacks were actively enslaved at the time of the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863.

Brian is incorrect that American slaves couldn't purchase their freedom.  This occured frequently.  I think the most famous freedom purchase was that of Dred Scot, who purchased his freedom in a non-slave state, but was re-enslaved by a descendent of his former owner when he was kidnapped and brought to a slave state.  His suit for his freedom is taught in history and law courses.

It is also true that many slaves in Brazil fled to the interior and mated with the natives.  I have seen the results of that inter-mixing in Salvador.  The physical beauty of the women I saw who were mixed Indian and African is beyond words for me.  I was thunderstruck when I first saw such women in 1999 and I am still thunderstruck today.

I used an Salvador agency on my first trip there.  Its name was Paixao Consult.  I paid USD 100 for access to their files.  I actually met 4 women, none of whom I was particularly compatible with.  The last time I checked (last year) it seemed this agency was bought out by One-and-Only.  Every click on the Paixao Consult website always brought me to the O & O website.

There is a dearth of agencies aimed at Americans in Brazil.  The most well known one is Ted's nemesis Latin Euro.

[pablo]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Brazilian agencies, A to Q, posted by Brazilophile on Dec 4, 2003


Brazilophile,

The website worked for me and there wasn't a redirect to One & Only.  Here is the URL I used:

http://www.paixaoconsult.com/index.htm

BTW, did you ever post any trip reports here on P-L about Brazil?  

Pablo

[Brazilophile]

... in response to Regarding the agency you mentioned., posted by pablo on Dec 4, 2003

I checked out the Paixao Consult website and you are correct.  It seems to be an independent agency again.  They have even created an English language mirror site called Passion-Site.  (www.passion-site.com)

In March, I posted a report on a trip to Salvador I made in February.

[pablo]

... in response to Re: Regarding the agency you mentioned., posted by Brazilophile on Dec 5, 2003


Thanks BoP,

I will do a click, click, click, click, click search...and see if I can find that TR.  

Would you mind sending me an email please?  I would appeciate the chance to ask you a few questions about Brasil.

Pablo

[Pete E]

... in response to Brazilian agencies, A to Q, posted by bigbdm4 on Nov 30, 2003

I didn't realise there were that many agencies in Brazil.
We really don't hear to much on this board so I think alot of people may be interested in the ones you listed.

Pete

[bigbdm4]

... in response to Thanks, posted by Pete E on Dec 1, 2003

You're welcome, Pete.

But I don't agree that a lot of people may be interested.  One or two, maybe, and you are one.  One other guy expressed interest, one other jerk called me a liar, and beyond that, nobody gives a you-know-what.  But it's nice to know that you got some good from my posting, so thanks again for that.  Did you check out the URL's?  If the web site is in Portuguese, you can translate it.  Go to:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

The translation is not 100%, but enough for you to understand.

Good luck!

Big B

[moam]

... in response to Re: Thanks, posted by bigbdm4 on Dec 1, 2003

Big B,
For the record, I am interested Brasil.  I am going to be looking into an agency located in Santa Monica that is offering an apartment/carnival tour in Salivdor Bahia{sp?}.
I need to go and have a face-to-face with these people, no way can I just send someone over 2 grand via paypal and hope for the best. For that kind of money I need to press some flesh or know where to find them should there be a snafu!!!

moam

[bigbdm4]

... in response to Big B, posted by moam on Dec 2, 2003

Two thousand US Dollars is a lot of money, especially in Brazil.  For that much, you could live there for a year.  Especially in the north of Brazil, like in the state of Bahia.  Brazil is actually two countries.  The agricultural economy in the north, and the industrial economy in the south.  The people in the south make jokes about the people in the north.  The people in the north make food and music that is out of this world.  But to pay an agency in Santa Monica that much money?  For what?  You can stay in a very nice hotel, including a meal each morning, for twenty bucks.  You can eat in the best restaurant for five bucks.  The Dollar is very strong these days in Brazil.  I don't know the details of your proposed deal with the agency in Santa Monica, I did a google search for BMC, I couldn't find them, and don't have the time to do more, I don't know that agency.  Are they Brazilian?  If not, I would caution you very strongly about giving them the time of day, and if you give them one penny, you are being a fool, in my humble opinion, and it just seems to me that you are throwing your money into a hole.  Again, it's only my worthless opinion, I know nothing about the deal or the agency.  But again, two thousand is a heck of a lot of money.

To everybody, now.  For us gringos traveling to Brazil, the strength of the US Dollar is wonderful for us, unfortunately it's lousy for the Brazilians, but you can stay in the finest hotels for next to peanuts, eat in the finest restaurants for super cheap.  If you are interested, I can provide you with some good URL's for hotels, and our travel agent.  

Big B        

[moam]

... in response to Re: Big B, posted by bigbdm4 on Dec 3, 2003

Big B,
thanks for the input, you are correct. Go ahead and provide the URL's and the info on the travel agent.
I will shoot you an email later tonight.

[pablo]

... in response to Big B, posted by moam on Dec 2, 2003


Hi Moam,

Is the agency you are referring to BMC?  After looking at their web site I doubt if you will find much marriage material, although they never make the claim to be a marriage agency.  

I'd be interested though to hear of your impressions of Carnaval in Salvador so please keep us posted if you do go.

You sound like you already know that if there is a problem involving Paypal it's not like a credit card dispute.

Regards,

Pablo