What every woman wants

[zack]

We all agree that Latina's are the prettiest ladies in the world. But  beyond this, have you ever noticed how they maintain their beauty well into their 40's, and sometimes 50"s?  

And also, they can maintain their beautiful, petite, and sexy bodies even after having a child. I mean no bulges, and not even a stretch mark. Many ladies can have two, three, or even more babies and STILL
show no bulges and not even a single stretch mark. It looks as if they never had any children at all, and after three babies!  What's up with this?  Must be a genetic thing. I'm sure that diet and exercise also plays a role. Would someone like to add to this? The wisdom about this subject would be something that every American woman would want to know.

Zack

[John O]

... in response to What every woman wants, posted by zack on Oct 30, 2003

Had an interesting phone conversation today with a Caleña I met 2 months ago. We really enjoyed each other's company, and felt a lot of mutual chemistry together.

Sadly, our communication since has been far less reciprocal, as she is hard to reach by phone & hasn't Emailed me in a month. (I've been calling and/or Emailing her at least once a week.) At first, she gave the usual excuses: too much work, too tired, sick, etc. I decided to give her one last call today.

When confronted with the facts, she admitted she likes me a lot, and isn't keeping her end of the bargain. She's used to having her own space, but afraid of ending up alone. Even her mother is encouraging her to find a good man & get out of Colombia.

In her indecision, she reminds me of many AW I've known. The one refreshing thing is that she's honest & self-aware about her "instability". If she were 23, I'd think: She's still young, she's finding herself...

Unfortunately, she's 33.

[buster40]

... in response to Some Women Don't Know What They Want, posted by John O on Nov 1, 2003

Sounds like you need to toss that one back in the pond and recast.  Hey, we all are used to having our own space!!!!  When I was in Bogota last month I made a point to be somewhat confrontational with the women about what they wanted, especially if I felt some chemistry.  Not in a mean spirited way, but to try to ferret out the wishy washy ones.  This entire mission is not for the weak hearted.  It involves serious decisions and life altering changes on both sides, not to mention the effort involved. The difficulties are evident from the stories on this message board.  It is definitely a risky proposition.  I'm in contact with a gal in Bogota who seems serious and mature about the process and am going back to see her and her family in a couple weeks.  I hope that if I see some red flags, I can hit the eject button...but...hey, I know that can be a rough ride too.  Good luck!!!

[Cherinha]

... in response to What every woman wants, posted by zack on Oct 30, 2003

AT LEAST ME AND THE WOMAN I KNOW FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.....

A good man...  one that improves himself as much as he expects the woman to.  One that keeps in shape, and maintains honesty, caring, dresses nice and clean looking (and smelling) roles, sweet, time, interest in our background and language and culture, honor, and love US as much as they require it from the ladies.  

One that sees us... not only for our outer beauty, but for the beauty within.  A man that when we are with him, we feel secure, happy, beautiful, and just plain grateful to walk by his side, and serve him as he serves us.  

P.S. It takes two to feel this way also...

[zack]

... in response to I can tell you what every woman wants......, posted by Cherinha on Oct 31, 2003

Hi Cherina,

Your point is well taken. I just wish that more women felt the way you do, at least in America. I have fallen victim to the "nice guy" label which has turned some women off. I see a lot of ladies here in America who seem to like the bad boys. I'm not generalizing and I know that a lot of ladies appreciate nice men. But the overall lack of appreciation for the nice guy is one reason why men go to Colombia in the first place.

I almost married an American woman last year. She seemed to have it all- intelligent, ambitious, beautiful, etc.  But a big reason for our breakup was her belief that I was too nice to my mother. I would help my mother financially as she was trying to get on her feet and she thought I gave too much and labeled me as "spineless." She took one of my strengths and turned it into a weakness in her mind. The way a man treats his mother strongly reflects the way he will treat his wife. Unfortunately, some women are consumed with the "macho man" image and don't see it that way.

Zack

[stefang]

... in response to Re: I can tell you what every woman want..., posted by zack on Nov 1, 2003

Zack I was listening to a local radio station and they had a call in with women who liked bad boys. After listening to how the women explained how much better bad boys were I was laughing in my car. The womens responses showed how irrational thinking causes them so much heart break. Every single women believed that if they find the right bad boy for them, that the man will change for them and become a good husband and father.
I agree that sometimes someone can change for better but in cases of messed up guys I would say maybe 1/2 percent might be willing to change for a woman to bad these women could not understand this.

[zack]

... in response to Re: Re: I can tell you what every woman ..., posted by stefang on Nov 1, 2003

Stefang,

Those women said that if they find the right bad boy, he will change and become a good husband and father?!? Why not find a man who is already a nice guy so you don't have to hope for a change!

Based on their responses, it sounds like a part of them wants a bad boy, yet another part of them wants a good man.
Happy hunting. Have fun. I can see why you were laughing.

Zack

[Freddie]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I can tell you what every wo..., posted by zack on Nov 1, 2003

Women marry a man so they can change him and men marry a woman in hopes that she won't change.

I've observed the "bad boy" syndrome since high school (over 30 years ago). Many girls and now women are attracted to the "bad boy". He is exciting with an element of danger. The more he puts them off the more attracted they are to him. They think THEY are the one who is going to tame this beast!

There is a lesson to be learned here, especially when dealing with Latin Women. Since the Latin culture is very macho to begin with you sometimes need to stand your ground and make sure the woman cannot walk all over you.

You need to be strong and provide love and security but you also must make sure they understand that you are still the man and will make the ultimate decisions concerning the welfare of the family. This can be done without becoming mean or overbearing. It's more of establishing your position as the head of the house.

Most Latin Women grew up this way from observing their fathers. The mothers run the house on the day to day basis but the father has the last word. Be a man, don't take any crap. Be firm but loving and the Latin Woman will love you and respect you for it.

For anyone that doubts this I just reconfirmed every word of it with my Colombian wife. She agreed with it 100%.

[Cherinha]

... in response to Re: I can tell you what every woman want..., posted by zack on Nov 1, 2003

Wow!!! That is amazing!!!  That is one of the qualities I look for in a man!!! Well, Where ever you look, US, Colo, Spain, Brazil, Congo, Phili, you'll run into the same kind of woman everywhere.  Those that see your qualities as the rose, and those that only see the thorn.  It is such a tragedy.  But better to find this before the knot, then after!!!

I wish you happiness and love in a woman the both of you will make each other happy for both your lifetimes!!!

Peace,
Cheryl

[zack]

... in response to Re: Re: I can tell you what every woman ..., posted by Cherinha on Nov 1, 2003

Thanks, Cherina. It is nice to hear a woman's point of view about this. I wish you all the love and happiness also.

Zack

[DallasSteve2]

... in response to I can tell you what every woman wants......, posted by Cherinha on Oct 31, 2003

Zack's post should've been titled:

What every man wants

Steve

[John O]

... in response to What every woman wants, posted by zack on Oct 30, 2003

As always, there's a risk in generalizing from the few one knows to the many. And there must be hundreds of millions of Latinas in the world.

I think it has mostly to do with genetics first, and socio-economic level second. Thanks to DNA, some people age gracefully, others prematurely. Those from higher socio-economic levels can afford take better care of themselves, and are spared manual labor and excessive time in the elements.

I've seen some ageless hotties among the middle & upper class ladies of Colombia & Mexico. On the other hand, most of the poor Mexican & Central American ladies who sit in my ESL classes look like grannies (some of them are) by the time they hit 40 - overweight, with brown, weathered skin. But they're sweethearts nonetheless.

In my opinion, the prize for agelessness goes to Asian women. But I still prefer Latinas. Especially the ones who take care of themselves.

But I generalize...

[zack]

... in response to Difficult to Generalize, posted by John O on Oct 31, 2003

I agree that the prize for agelessness goes to the Asians, especially the philipinos.

Zack

[Traveller]

... in response to What every woman wants, posted by zack on Oct 30, 2003

I gotta disagree with that one. Although a lot of women do hold their figures and beauty, a lot don't. Like Bats said, plastic surgery and liposuction has a lot to do with it.
I see models day in and day out. You ever heard the saying, "If you want to know what your wife is going to look like in 20 years, look at her mother." Well, I tell you these beautiful models have some really unattractive mothers. I am being kind too. And, the mothers typically are not much older than their daughters.
To me, and this is just my opinion, after say 35, it's downhill from there. Not all women, but here in Cali a lot of women take on that "hard" look. I can't really explain it, but kind of like haggard. I think it has to do with there social status and income.
A lot of women who get that liposuction look terrible. They think it looks good, but it typically looks mottled and the sking doesn't stretch back quite right. When they are standing up, it looks like there are small pockets of fat that were left. It isn't exactly bumpy, but the skin isn't smooth. Then when a model or woman or whoever is sitting, you get rolls of loose skin. When they are standing or laying down, it's fine, but when they have to be in a sitting position, it looks terrible. I had a pretty famous model who had liposuction and this was the result. I couldn't use any of the photos becasue of this liposuction fiasco. Oh, they think it looks good, when it fact it looks pretty bad. Plus, on top of everything else, they have discolorations that don't go away. This was just about the norm so I told my staff that I didn't want to work with anymore models who had liposuction.
I think that part of the problem is that women here get liposuction and they don't need it. They are probably packing 8% body fat and they go and get this done and it screws them up physically, but they think that if they look skinnier, it looks good. Another problem is the breast implants. Ok, I like them, but  Ihad a model who got them when she was 17. I knew her when she was 16 and she wasn't lacking in that department then. Her mafiaoso boyfrined bought them for her. Ok, they were impressive, but she had these long red stretch marks that were just ugly. She lost a TV job because of that. I think that her body wasn't ready for that big of an addition and it shows. I will say this, the guy who did some of my models nose jobs is a heck of a guy. One of my models went in and got a nose job and she came in the next day to pick something up. She looked like she went 12 rounds with a bare fisted prize fighter and lost bad. She looked terrible. Plus she had this flap of skin that was folded upwards along the bottom of her nose. It looked hideous. I asked her when she was going to be ready to take photos again and she said in three days. I thought, yeah sure. But, she showed up three days later and her nose looked perfect. Actually, I couldn't really tell what she had done, but from the mess I saw to what it turned out to be in 72 hours, I was impressed. That guy has my vote if I ever decided to have a nosejob.
In defense of latinas and aging: A friend of the family who is Mexican and who I have known all my life, she never aged past maybe 17. I saw her a couple of years ago and she looked the same as when she worked as a cashier at the local market when I was a kid. She's about 45 now and doesn't look a day over 20.
Although you can find women who are like that, I think it's not a very good ratio in Cali. I think it's a combination of things that factor into this like stress, having children, social and or financial status, etc. Makeup does wonders too. I took photos of Sorany Chavez some years ago. She came in for the interview and she wasn't wearing makeup. I thought, well I need models and she did show up.....I'll just take a few sets and call it day. She looked very "Plain Jane" without the makeup. She came in with makeup, SHE WAS SMOKIN! That girl was bad! Same thing with Julie Rincon. She looks Very very "plain Jane" without makeup, but when she puts it in on ("It puts the lotion on it's skin!" I crack myself up.) she is easily one of the prettiest models I ever had.
Ok, that's all today.
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[zack]

... in response to Re: What every woman wants, posted by Traveller on Oct 31, 2003

Well traveller, I can't argue with you on this one. You know a lot more than I do about this subject because you live in Colombia and you work with latina models.

Regarding the aging thing, I should have said "Compared to American women, Latinas age better." Wouldn't you agree? I was basing my opinion on the many latinas I have seen who are in their 40's and are still looking real good.

Regarding Latinas maintaining their figures and beauty, in the beginning of your post you attributed it to liposuction, but later you said that liposuction leads to mottled skin that doesn't retract right and leads to skin that isn't smooth and tends to sag. I agree with the latter. Liposuction also leaves scars. The scars are small, but still visible. You didn't comment about Latinas having much less stretch marks after pregnancy than American women.

All in all, if you completely took liposuction and plastick surgery out of the question, I still believe that Latinas age better than American women and they definately have less stretch marks after pregnancy.

Zack