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Author Topic: Bolivia and Hatred of USA  (Read 2590 times)
Miguel
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« on: October 18, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

[This message has been edited by Miguel]

This is going to start off topic, but be relevant to Planet Love by the end.

Did anyone catch the new president's address to the Bolivian Congress on CNN Espanol last night?  It was fascinating.  The man sounds like Winston Churchill.  He said things that made sense -- about politicians working together for the benefit of the country, ending corruption, etc.  And he did this forcefully and persuasively. Without notes and with very little time to prepare.  The Congressmen and women were an interesting bunch as well -- the chamber looked like a town meeting, with people from all walks of life.  Indians in native clothing, women in sueters, very few suits.

At present, Bolivia is experiencing massive protests, deaths in the street, paralyis of the country, etc.  It's slipping into anarchy. And a large part of the population blames it on the U.S.  It's not anything we did directly, but people are angry because

1.  The government has stamped out coca production, as a result of pressure from the U.S.  This was a very divisive issue in the last presidential election, and the pro-cocaine candidate came VERY close to winning the election.  

2.  The government has done certain things to please the IMF (try to raise taxes, repay debt) that were very unpopular. In many Bolivians minds, IMF = USA.

3.  And the straw that broke the camel's back -- the government wanted to build a pipeline to Chile to export Liquefied Natural Gas to the USA.

What makes anti-U.S. perceptions worse, the ex-president, who got on a plane to Miami late last night, was considered a stooge of the U.S.  The guy was educated here, and he speaks Spanish with a STRONG U.S. accent -- stronger than mine, and I'm a native.

Anyway, this is the sort of thing that has occurred in many parts of Latin America through the years.  I wonder how this affects women's perceptions of a gringo husband, or moving to the U.S.  I know Mexico well enough to think that it is a consideration there.  There is a certain part of the population that just doesn't like gringos.  And some of it's related to things that happened 50 or 100 years ago.  I've met a couple of Mexican women that would be ashamed to bring a gringo home to meet Daddy, because Daddy hates gringos.

Any thoughts?

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Michael B
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Bolivia and Hatred of USA, posted by Miguel on Oct 18, 2003

I work with a guy from Bolivia, in fact he's the uncle of their former president (not the one who just resigned, the one before him). He says the Indians don't trust the politicians not to sell out, to help the rich get richer while they get get poorer. He also says the Indians are right (at least about tha)t--that's exactaly what's been happening to them for 500 years. Problem is, the Indians aren't capable of governing either, no education, no technogology, no understanding of world affairs. He's been telling me for quite a while that Bolivia is heading for a revolution, or at least a bloody mess like they've got now, looks like he was right. Next week I'll ask him what he knows about this new president and if he thinks he's got a chance to straighten things out.
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Miguel
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Bolivia and Hatred of USA, posted by Michael B on Oct 19, 2003

Michael, it would be interesting to know what he thinks.  Situation there right now is fascinating, to me at least.
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NW Jim
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Bolivia and Hatred of USA, posted by Miguel on Oct 18, 2003

I agree with point #1 and #2, but think #3 is about more than exporting natural gas, which some reports stated would be going to the US and Mexico.

I think the issue on #3 was that the gas was going to be piped to a port in Chile before being put on a ship. It is proper to place this in historical context.

During the War of the Pacific, (1879-84), a conflict involving Chile, Bolivia, and Peru, Chile annexed disputed territory on the Pacific coast that the Bolivians claimed.

Chile occupied/annexed the Bolivian coastal region of Antofagasta province including the city of Antofagasta. As a result Bolivia remains landlocked to this day. They haven't forgotten.

I agree it's wise to know the history between the US and the country you visit.

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Miguel
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Bolivia and Hatred of USA..., posted by NW Jim on Oct 18, 2003

And 120 years later it's still a problem.  Guess that's a long term grudge.
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Bueller
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Bolivia and Hatred of USA, posted by Miguel on Oct 18, 2003

There is hatred of the U.S. everywhere, some of it justified, much of it misguided. Lots of it in Brazil, mixed with admiration. Just find a woman who will treat you as an individual and don't worry about it.
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Cherinha
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Bolivia and Hatred of USA, posted by Bueller on Oct 18, 2003

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