Hey Big B; looks like poo poo in paradise

[lswote]

According to a Reuters news article, and I quote:

"More Brazilians had telephone lines, refrigerators and television sets in 2002 than access to a proper sewage system, a government study showed on Friday."

http://news.excite.com/odd/article/id/360279|oddlyenough|10-13-2003::10:32|reuters.html

[bigbdm4]

... in response to Hey Big B; looks like poo poo in paradis..., posted by lswote on Oct 14, 2003

Excellent research, but faulty logic, as usual from those who don't have a clue.  That, of course, would never be anybody on this list.  

Let's talk about televisions first.  Let's talk about the World Cup, my passion, btw.  During futbol, and please explain to me why the game played with the hands here in the land of Coca-cola is called football, and that other game, played with the feet and called "futbol" by the rest of the entire world, we call soccer.  I would really like to know.  Anyway, during the competition, the sale of televisions in Brazil skyrockets.  I am sad that nobody on this list has any idea about how lively and how voracious the appetite is in Brazil.  During the games, everything stops.  The stock exchange and the banks close, the cars on the freeways stop, everybody is glued to the television.  There was an interesting article in Brazzil magazine this month about it.  http://www.brazzil.com/  So, don't talk to me about the sale of televisions in Brazil.

Next, telephones.  Owning a telephone in Brazil is quite difficult.  To have a phone means waiting a long time and paying thousands for the phone company to install telephone polls and the lines from the phone company to your house.  You don't just get the telephone, you get the polls, the wires, and the whole nine kilometers from your house to the telephone company.  Owning a cell phone is a lot cheaper and that is what everybody has these days.  So yes, the sale of cellular telephones is huge.  But that statistic is about cell phones, not regular phones.  And another thing, gangsters use cell phones, steal them, send them into the prisons, and Indians in the jungle have them but not even a toilet.  So don't talk to me about the telephones in Brazil.

More Refrigerators than tiolets?  I don't know about that, but I doubt your source of info, for sure it is not your first hand info, and in my opinion you are grasping at straws in a lousy attempt to justifiy your previous posting poo pooing Brazil.  What is your beef against Brazil, anyway?  Instead of snuffling around in the dirt like a blind hog, to find some obscure and questionable info about Brazil, why don't you swollow your pride?  I am on this list to help, and had hoped that you were, too.

Obrigado

Big B

[Cherinha]

... in response to Re: Hey Big B; looks like poo poo in par..., posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 16, 2003

Umm.... Don't take this in a negative way, however I do disagree with you on several things, and not only from this post.  Some I will mention at this time.

Most know this, but I will mention that the Brazilian Reais money is at 2.87 (changes daily)-to $1.00 US Dollar.

I do live in Brazil, and have some knowledge in this area.  It took me 2 weeks to get a "land-line" telephone in my apartment. (From 1st call to working) After a $100 Reais deposit, and $75 Reais install fee from the Telephonica, personal reference, and the $75 Reais install fee for the land-line into the condominio Apartment... we had a phone.  It runs about(without extra fees) $40 Reais a month.  Not bad.

I have a cell phone from VIVO, that cost $200 Reais for the phone and I use the Pre-pay system.  It is about 1.30 minute for all calls, and 1.05 for VIVO to VIVO phone.

Also, your conclusion that "nobody on this list has any idea about how lively and how voracious the appetite is in Brazil."  Wrong.  You should do a little research before doing the "open mouth insert entire body routine."  Some could be offended easily by some of your remarks!  Please try a little courtesy. Let's not generalize here, shall we.  You, and I, and so many others love Brazil.  And so many see it in a different way.  Brazil is humongous!!!  It's amazing!!!  One statistic in one area will not apply to another area.  You know this.  This is not so different from the rest of the world.

I have found that if you want to promote your ideas, and enthusiasm about an idea, person, place or thing... that it is best done constructively, and not destructively.

And finally, don't knock the way people call games... football, futbol??? It is true Brazilians are fanatic about the games.... why... they are good.... REALLY good.  The record stands!!  You don't need to defend them... they don't need your help in this regard.  But thanks anyway.

Some of your posts on Brasil were great... I am interested and would like to read more of these kinds of posts.
Peace,
Cheryl

[Bueller]

... in response to Re: Hey Big B; looks like poo poo in par..., posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 16, 2003


 B wrote:

 "Next, telephones. Owning a telephone in Brazil is quite difficult. To have a phone means waiting a long time and paying thousands for the phone company to install telephone polls and the lines from the phone company to your house. You don't just get the telephone, you get the polls, the wires, and the whole nine kilometers from your house to the telephone company. Owning a cell phone is a lot cheaper and that is what everybody has these days. So yes, the sale of cellular telephones is huge. But that statistic is about cell phones, not regular phones. And another thing, gangsters use cell phones, steal them, send them into the prisons, and Indians in the jungle have them but not even a toilet. So don't talk to me about the telephones in Brazil."

 Well, since I generally try to avoid talking to you at all, this should be easy, except that your information on phones is obsolete by at least a decade. What happens, according to my experience, is you call Brasil Telecom, ask them to set up a line for you, and a couple of weeks later (a couple of days later in my case) you have a phone line and a bill for R$49 for the first month's service. Say, when was the last time you actually set foot in this country? You sound SO intrepid when you try to buffalo people about your expertise on Brazil...and by the way, if Brazil is paradise, how come you ain't living here?

 And then comes this nugget:

 "What is your beef against Brazil, anyway?"

 This is rich, coming from a guy who, in the same breath, once compared marrying someone from Bogotá to buying hamburger by the pound and to slavery-- just to mention one of your many bigoted anti-Colombia rants.

 Sheesh, why do I even bother...

[Cherinha]

... in response to Hey Big B; looks like poo poo in paradis..., posted by lswote on Oct 14, 2003

Well... I love living here!!! But Brazil does have its problems like everywhere else in the world.  As far as the restrooms go... the toilets, or more specifically the pipes can't handle the "paper".  So it is disposed in a trash can to the side.  You would think that the room would be extremely "stinky".  But (the places I've been) Brazilians are very clean, and this is emptied continually. Not a hint of smell... in all nice areas.

There is a river in Sao Paulo... well... several.  And ... the story from all the "locals" here goes something like this.  All the businesses and people dumped their garbage, sewage, and dangerous liquids into it.  After years it became very polluted.  So the government told the people they were going to clean it up, but took the money and ran.  Now they do little cleanup so the public will think they are working on the problem... but it's all a cover-up.

Again... for those of you that will miss the detail of "locals-story" and the difference of fact... I will mention this AGAIN.  However... when it is warm, the wind blowing hard coming off the river... dang!! I'd believe that story any day!!!  I think the sign "No-swimming" by the river is one of the few laws that Brazilians here don't question!!!  Cheryl

[bigbdm4]

... in response to Hey Big B; looks like poo poo in paradis..., posted by lswote on Oct 14, 2003

Hi Iswote, and thanks for being so considerate as to notify me when you were thinking, but without a clue, of the problems facing Brazil.  Perhaps "thinking" was too strong, maybe I should have said muddling.

Big B

PS  To everybody now:  you can "poo poo" Brazil all you want, you can go to Cali, or Thailand, or Manila, or Baghdad, or wherever, and meet, or should I say meat, all the girls, or should I say sex slaves, you want, I heard that in India you can buy a teenage girl for less than sixty bucks.  You don't need to be on this list for any of that.  In my opinion this list is for being positive, for helping others, and for asking for help when some lister is having trouble.  Please correct me if I am wrong.  

If this list is nothing more than a marketplace for slavemasters seeking new frontiers to conquer and obtain new slaves, then guess what.  I am your worst enemy.  Would that be you, Iswote?  If you don't answer I will be forced to assume that you are in search of a slave.  And that goes for the rest of you on this list.

I enjoy hunting.  I especially relish ferretting out creeps who try to violate the innocence of beautiful people.  If anybody on this list is a preditor, pervert, pedofile, molester, or other monster, you have just met your match.  I track them down with great enjoyment, and put them behind bars and make sure that they stay in a cage until death.  Putting bad guys behind bars is what I do best, have been doing for many years, and for me it's easy and fun.    

[lswote]

... in response to Re: Hey Big B; looks like poo poo in par..., posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 15, 2003

So itsy-bitsy-b, were you nuts before you went to Brazil, or did going to Brazil drive you nuts?  Did all those virgins having sex at Carnival drive you over the edge?  Or did the lack of sanitation in Brazil leave you full of s**t?

[burbuja2]

... in response to Re: Hey Big B; looks like poo poo in par..., posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 15, 2003

Are you referring to anyone in particular or was this just a gratuitous warnings to all "monsters".

[lswote]

... in response to Re: Hey Big B; looks like poo poo in par..., posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 15, 2003

Yes b, you have found out my darkest secret.  I am a slavemaster trying to obtain new slaves.  Are you available?

[bigbdm4]

... in response to Re: Re: Hey Big B; looks like poo poo in..., posted by lswote on Oct 15, 2003

That's Big B, to you.  Please try to get it right.

Big B

[lswote]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Hey Big B; looks like poo po..., posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 15, 2003

Nah itsy-bitsy b sounds right about to me.  What you gonna do about it itsy-bitsy-b?

[bigbdm4]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey Big B; looks like po..., posted by lswote on Oct 15, 2003

LOL!

Good one.  But you forgot the tiny-weeny part, and about the yellow polka-dot bikini, like the song you are quoting.  The bikini, now that makes me think of Brazil.  

I checked out your profile, and checked out the photos you posted.  Cool.  Nice.  Good on you.

Check this out:

http://photos.yahoo.com/bigbdm4

Click on "Parati B"  

Sorry that I was behind the camera for all the shots, and do not appear in any, but it's a fun look at one of my favorite places.  My wife is in several of the photos.

Big B

[Zorrowins]

... in response to Hey Big B; looks like poo poo in paradis..., posted by lswote on Oct 14, 2003

Yes dear friends our fearless matador taunts El Torro with his cape. Our favorite bull is snorting and pawing the ground. His head boobs up and down while his eyes glaze over with rage! What excitement! Will he charge? Will he gore our Matador? Or will our Matador deftly step aside while El Torro misses him by mear inches? The crowd breathlessly awaits the outcome!!!

[Pete E]

... in response to The matador waves his red cape at El Tor..., posted by Zorrowins on Oct 14, 2003

I went to a bullfight in Cali.Torro didn't have a chance.These Spanish and French Matadors wouldn't do he close passes with torro untill Torro could hardly walk.
We were saying we don't ever need to do this again.One bull did hook a picador guy and toss him about 10 feet in the air.We found ourselves rooting for the bull.
But then this Cali Matador,Ramiro Cadena I think his name was ,came out.He was doing passes on his kness when the bull was fresh.The bull had only charged around the arena about once.The bull would charge and go by Cadena about 30 miles and hour.One F up and you are dead.But he showed up the European guys big time.Seems like that was his intent.
I might even go again some time.

Pete

[zack]

... in response to Re: The matador waves his red cape at El..., posted by Pete E on Oct 14, 2003

I also went to a bullfight in Cali. I found myself cheering for the bull also. Near the end of each match, the matador
thrusts a sword through the bull's heart, blood is gushing out of the bull's mouth, he falls to the ground, and they finish him off by sticking a knife into the bull's skull and scrambling his brains. Then some horses drag the dead bull off the field. I think they killed eight bulls total.

I hope I don't sound like a party-pooper, or an overly- sensitive animal lover, but I couldn't help but be a little shocked at the event.

Zack