Off to Panama tommorow

[Pete E]

I am going to the banking/investment seminar in Panama City.I leave here tomorrow at 6.30 AM,back Sunday 10/12.
The timing is just perfect for me.I needed to do the banking part of it for sure and the rest may have great opportunities also.Its kind of a serendipidy thing.It was right there when I needed it.Thanks to Gary for putting me on to it.
I will be at the Ceasar Park hotel,011-507-226-4077   10/7 to 10/12.

Pete Eiguren

[Michael B]

... in response to Off to Panama tommorow, posted by Pete E on Oct 6, 2003

Good luck. Don't take any wooden nickels.

[mudd]

... in response to Off to Panama tommorow, posted by Pete E on Oct 6, 2003

what about the wife, or soon to be ex wife? is she still in the house, or for that matter, does she still have the keys to it?

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Off to Panama tommorow, posted by mudd on Oct 7, 2003

Yes,
She is in the house ,I am going to give her the house.Lest you think that is too generous,I owe more than it is worth.But she gets to stay 6 - 12 months before thay can kick her out.A little too good for her because I will be gone and she will still have everythig,untill they take the house,then reality will strke.
I'm doing all this stuff and she has a funny look on her face,like she didn't think I would actually leave.
Maybe more denial on her part than mine and that would be alot!

Petye

[Red Clay]

... in response to Re: Re: Off to Panama tommorow, posted by Pete E on Oct 7, 2003

First of all Pete, sorry to hear that it came to this, although glad you seem to be making the best of it so far.

If she really did play you for a perm. resident card, I wonder how she will do financially when she is completely responsible for herself someday soon. Something tells me her lifestyle will have to change more than a little.

Good luck to you,
Dave

[moam]

... in response to Off to Panama tommorow, posted by Pete E on Oct 6, 2003

Have a great trip Pete, I will call you at the hotel.

[markxport]

... in response to Off to Panama tommorow, posted by Pete E on Oct 6, 2003

Hey Pete,

I have nothing but respect for you, but your life seems to be moving a light speed lately.  Hope your doing all the right things for the right reasons.  

Take care,

Mark

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Off to Panama tommorow, posted by markxport on Oct 6, 2003

Good point.Light speed got me in touble once before.
You may have heard the old saying that came from troops in the army  "hurry up and wait".
Well my light speeds are always precceded by alot of wait.So when the light speed kicks in it takes over,such a pleasant change from "wait".For whatever psychobable reason it might have,my mothers answer to every situation was wait.She wasted her life waiting and never doing.Part of me is like her and the other part goes sreaming and kicking in the other direction.
Many of these big changes I am making now will take while to play ouyt,give me a chance to reconsider.But I was so tired of the wait,deny,tolerate that I feel REALLY good taking action.
I have been flyingso high recently I have thought about the old condition called manic depressive,now more politically called bi polar disorder,which most peoplec read without knowing what it means.Another case where bullsh1t ecvades the truth.I even see in my recent flying high mmod simililarities to a guy I know that was manic depessive.I never saw him in the depressive state,but when he was in the manic stage he would corner you for hours,moving fron one thing to another,a series of tangents.About an hour later you would say to yourself,when is this guy going to shut up?How can I escape? I found myself doing that a little lately.We had been talking 2 hours,it seemeed like 10 miniutes,the other party was finally getting to the :"let me the hell out of here position."Right  Gary?
Sorry bud,I am a little goofy lately.
I did A "human potential" workshop about 30 years ago.I won't get in to what.The term other people would use for what they did was "Jack them up and glaze them over."
And there was truth in that.Most of us had been leading such boring lives when we got just a little bit real about what the hell was going on in our life the result was usually "flying high" like me the last few days.
One guy in the seminar reported his experience when he went home.He was charged up.His daugher wispers to her mother"Mom,he's crazy."The mother said well don't you like him better that way than the way he usually is?
I never get the depressive stage,so I guess I don't fit the mold.But when I fly high there is a resembelance.

Pete

[jim c]

... in response to Re: Re: Off to Panama tommorow, posted by Pete E on Oct 7, 2003

Petey

I don't have your e-mail so I will write this here. I have no idea why you want to get involved in this off shore junk I have a friend who lost a bundle in Costa Rican teak and has placed all his assets in multilayered trusts. You cannot get away from a divorce court and your debts. If you conceal assets then the judge can place you in jail for civil contempt. You need to slow down in my opinion. The feeling of freedom and hyperactive decision makeing can get you in trouble. You are not free until you are divorced and once your wife gets a lawyer(and believe me her friends will make sure she does) you will find that all your plans mean nothing. The court will govern what you do with your assets and punish you if you do not cooperate. I am not trying to rain on your parade but you need to step back and consult with a divorce lawyer. jim c

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Off to Panama tommorow, posted by jim c on Oct 7, 2003

Jim,
The divorce courts can´t touch me because I will not be here nor any of the money.My pension is the main thing.When I found out that probably only the IRS could get to it I felt pretty free to move on to plan b.
The pension will go to an offshore bank.Looks more like europe now than Panama,but I may keep a small account in Panama.
I know the courts can't touch the money.There could be a court order for alimony but they will never get it.If I am already gone I don't think I'm even subject to any penalties for not cooperating.Being willing to move and having my main access protected by federal law makes it a whole different stort than if I lived here.And I can't have any assets here,they could be attached.
I will post above about the confrence I'm at in Panama city.One intersting thing one guy said,not a speaker,he was saying how great Brazil is and said there is no extradition.I remember one of the British guys who pulled off "the great train robbery" about 1952 lived there for about 40 years.They couldn´t touch him.I'm not planning on needing that level of protection.I want to be able to come back to visit.
I have been up front with my wife about exactly what Im am doing.She can't get anything I dont choose to give her.But she could cause me some trouble,and could lose big time if she does.I have always treated her well and she is going to do OK here,even if I think she already got way more than she deserved.Basically she gets the house,a car and the fiúrniture.Plus I am paying off her credit cards.She can't start to afford the house payment but can live there 6 months to a year.Here an attorney could help her delay being foreclosed and evicted.My cousin got to stay 2 years one time before they got him out.Of course my credit will be screwed in the process,but I've done that before.If she causes me trouble I could just deed it back to the bank and she would be out in a month instead of year.There are other things I could do also.I don't want it to get nasty.I treated her like gold for almost 4 years.I'm not trying to be an
a-shole on the way out.
But I sure as hell am not staying to pay her alimony and watch her date other guys while I work my a-s off just to pay for all of it.When the going get tough,the smart split.A writer named Stuart Wilde say when it gets tough  "airport".
Even if there was no wife story,if I had remained single,I would move to latin america to live and find another woman.
Even if I make $200,000 a year here I net $120,000.I am better off in latin america with my $40,000 pension,plus another $1000 a month social security in 17 months if I want to take it early.I am spending $9000 a month now just getting by and I am tired of the struggle.With a wife that loved me I would stay.But she definetly does not.So on to plan B.

Pete

[jim c]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Off to Panama tommorow, posted by jim c on Oct 7, 2003

By the way I forgot. The saying in civil contempt is  "you have the key to the cell". They will keep you there till you tell where the money went and don't bother telling them you lost it in Vegas. I have 8 years as a PI and was married to a divorce lawyer. There is another toy, a subpeona in aid of execution, duces tecum. This means you are deposed under oath about your finances and have to bring all your financial documents. no no no don't commit perjury!!!! jim c

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Off to Panama tommorow, posted by jim c on Oct 7, 2003

Yup,
But it doesn´t apply here,because I will not behere.Makes all the difference.

Pete

[Starman]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Off to Panama tommorow, posted by jim c on Oct 7, 2003

[markxport]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Off to Panama tommorow, posted by jim c on Oct 7, 2003

gotta agree with that advise.

Take care,

Mark