What about looks ?

[jim c]

Dallas Steve commented that this response was too far down the list for some to see it. So I moved it to the top because I think there are closet snipers who are judgemental about other's looks --ugly men and old men. It seems these perfect guys only have to have the hotties and the rest of us are dreamers. If as the premise goes the latinas are tired of the Colombian Princes what would make them shift to American Princes of equal shallowness.

It seems to me our members must come from a list of former Mr. Universe contestants. I looked at the pictures and found not one guy I would call ugly there were several that were good looking.I have been to the agencies and have seen the crazies, the guys that look normal but but their pysche would scare a shrink. I have seen guys in wigs so bad they looked like clowns. The spectrum of people there is as broad as the internet that spawned them. The girls are not the cream of Colombian society either.

The agencies are filled with people. It is that simple.

Pretty little neurotics, wonderful women with children in a society where men will only use them. Beauty queens looking for the brass ring and intelligent women looking to change their lives. Mix this with lonely American men looking for love and companionship and you have the fantasy.

    Everyone starts with two strikes and steps up to the plate. Sure, there are guys like me who are overage and maybe out of shape, but don't condem us, you will join us soon enough. We have things to offer also, experience, stability, confidence in our futures and maybe even enough wealth to make her happy. Believe me I don't mind paying. A relationship is never free. I would never ridicule a man for his looks. He has a right to the best woman he can find. I was very attractive when I was young, but things change. Hopefully our mindset changes with age and believe it or not some women are attracted to wisdom, confidence and stability. Particularly intelligent women. jim c

[wizard]

... in response to What about looks ?, posted by jim c on Sep 16, 2003

[This message has been edited by wizard]

Good post Jim...

You're right in that we all, gringos and latinas, start this process with basically two strikes against us... We are all searching for something that we can't find at home... Mature men who have for the most part survived failed relationships with AW and latinas who have visions of a better life dancing around in their heads... The fantasy is easy to buy into and it takes wise people to peer through the fog and grasp reality...

Having said that, it IS possible to grab the brass ring... Both parties can have their cake and eat it too... Just take your time, be honest with yourself and have respect for the ladies you come into contact with...

Sure, you're going to run into some neurotic women and psychotic men in the process, but that's part of the natural selection process... Water seeks it's own level... So let's just hope that these folks pair off and spawn a few sociopaths along the way...

Like playing poker, you need to know when to bet, when to call and when to fold... If you don't like the cards that are dealt to you, just play again another day...

Any goal worth achieving is appreciated only to the level of effort required to attain it...

[A1A]

... in response to What about looks ?, posted by jim c on Sep 16, 2003

Excellent post.  It's all about what the women are looking for.  Do they want a good man, stable , older? Or a great looking, rich, young american man?  They have goals and personal standards too.  A few months back my novia an I took a weekend trip to a small mountain town Mazamitla, a couple hours south of Guadalajara to excape the heat.  The town revolved around a large church in the town square.  I noticed many young girls, 18-23 range, in groups, few boys.  I told my novia her oldest son would do well here for a girlfriend, many good looking young girls.  She replied, you would too, there are no boys here, they all go to Guadalajara to work.  Even at MY age?  Yes, she said, age differences are even less important in the smaller towns, the girls just want a good man.
A1A

[Pete E]

... in response to What about looks ?, posted by jim c on Sep 16, 2003

What can be considered attractive in a man can be alot different than a woman.
Let me give you 2 examples.Charles Bronson.Not at all pretty,you could even say ugly,but he had a rugged look that was considered handsom by many.He described his look as a rock quarry that had been dynamited.
Clint Eastwood.Maybe a pretty boy in his younger years,now considered rugedly handsom at about 71.He has a 30 year old latina wife.
Of course these guys had money and fame also,a natural afrodesiac(sp?).
Its never too late to get the body in shape.I'm working on that myself.Even though I have worked out since 16 years old
I should lose about 15 lbs.There are lots of other things you can do.I color my hair.Nobody is more aware of it than me,but I think its important not to look in the mirror and say"man you are getting old.There is no quicker easier way to look younger.But to each his own.You are probably happy with your silver fox look and it pribably suits you."Maybe it is self deception,but I think I look about 50 instead of my 60 years.Any testimonials from guys who know me?If I lose 15 lbs and get rid of the beard I might look 45.
Young guys can have an attitude about age that will certainly change as they get older.Life doesn't end at 60.
My hero is Pablo Picasso.When he was 93 he threw a big party.He was the life of it.He just didn't get up the next day.He lived life to the fullest right to his last day.
And latinaland can cut an older guy alot of slack.Older men can be considered stable,which most of the young ones are not.Contrary to some opinions here,huge age differences,if not common,are certainly heard of in Colombia.I knew a Colombiana who's first Husband was 46 years older than her.
Age will be more important to some women than others.What they consider attractive can vary alot also.You do need to hang out with the woman long enough to know she really cares for you.Some will,some won't,sometimes there is no logic to it at all.
So a 60 year old in good shape can easily have women in their 30's if he wants.The trick is choosing the right one.

Pete

[cancunhound]

... in response to Men have an advantage - -take heart, posted by Pete E on Sep 16, 2003

Pete!  That's metrosexual crap isn't it?  Just kidding, my days are numbered, the 1st grey one has yet to arrive

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: "I color my hair", posted by cancunhound on Sep 16, 2003

I didn't color my beard untill 40 and my hair untill 50.But I don't even want to see what it would look like now,probably half gray.I don't want to look like Gabby Hayes(Roy Rogers old sidekick)
If only all the other symtoms of aging were as easy to fix as that one.
No,its not metrosexual.I am about as far from metrosexual as you can get.

Pete

[Ralph]

... in response to What about looks ?, posted by jim c on Sep 16, 2003

It is not about looks. It is about telling if the woman really is attracted to you. I have posted my pic many times and am far from Brad Pitt. Tell me you have not seen guys at the agency, who probably have not had a date or certainly not a woman as "hot" as the ones at the agency, all smiles posing for pics with a woman that has a look on her face that screams, "I would rather be getting root canal".

[Ralph]

... in response to What about looks ?, posted by jim c on Sep 16, 2003

There are lots of pics where the "average guy" is posing with a
younger attractive woman that looks GENUINELY happy to be with him. It is not about the looks difference it is about reading body language which is hard to do when you are "in the candy store". Attention starved men, might blow even the slightest attention out of proportion.

I have posted my pic here many times, and am far from being the runner up in the Brad Pitt look alike contest. I could care less, my ex wife and my current novia always make it painfully clear that they are happy to be with me, and never have a look as if they'd rather get root canal.

http://www.latinintro.com/images/tours/20030703/July4thTour/tour07040312.html

I didn't say this guy was ugly. I said, she looks far from thrilled to be posing with him. He is practivally suffocating her, and her body language is saying "take the damn picture already".

[Cali vet]

... in response to Not the point, posted by Ralph on Sep 16, 2003

There's absolutely no reason a man, fifty should stoop to marrying a colombiana older than thirty years his junior. Strict adhearence to this criteria of course presents some difficulties to men in their early fourties or younger but not insurmountable especially in the outlying villages.

[cancunhound]

... in response to Re: Not the point, posted by Cali vet on Sep 16, 2003

[luvslife]

... in response to Not the point, posted by Ralph on Sep 16, 2003

First of all, in this picture she appears to be short and fat, the guy on the other hand is not bad looking, tall, and thin.  I don't really think it matters one way or the other but this is not the best case to support the argument that hot ladies are taking mercy on ugly foreign men and marrying them for money.  I have also taken quite a few pictures myself where the photos have not come out well and the expressions have been skewed.  Eyes closed, mouth open, no smile, and it was just bad timing (or I just look bad and did not know it;).  All things considered in a relationship each person is looking for something in the partner.  Each person comes to the table with something to offer.  Each person regardless of age, economic station, looks, etc. is attempting to find someone to meet some need they have.  Most guys that goes abroad, are going abroad with an economic advantage and are attractive to the ladies for that reason.  In addition, none of the women young or old that are registered with the agencies if they were honest when asked could say that economics was not a consideration.  This line about American men are faithful and thats why they want us is a line of crap.  That is something that can only be looked at case by case.

[Ralph]

... in response to Re: Not the point, posted by luvslife on Sep 16, 2003

Everybody takes bad pictures once in a while. That is why I said take a TON of em. If in every pic your novia looks like that one. . . . .  .
Once again it is not about looks. As you pointed out, in that photo the guy was probably better looking than she was. She still looks like she'd rather be getting a pap smear, than to be with him. No, you can't tell from one photo, but if he had a bunch where she looked like that. . . .  .

[cassius]

... in response to Re: Not the point, posted by luvslife on Sep 16, 2003

sums up my own elementary view.

[Cali vet]

... in response to Re: Not the point, posted by luvslife on Sep 16, 2003

We've been over this before and from what I've seen priority number one is getting to and getting to live in the US. Ralph needs to understand that a Fox Terrier that could offer colombianas a US visa in a week would always be seen surrounded by bevies of smiling chicas in the photos.

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Re: Not the point, posted by Cali vet on Sep 16, 2003

Sounds like spuds Mackensie.
There is a bar at Islamorada in the Florida keys.They used to sell T shirts with a picture of spuds run over in the road,tire tracks across his body.The caption was something about Buttwiser beer.

Pete