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Author Topic: Battered Calenas  (Read 15666 times)
elcolombiano
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« on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

My girlfreinds cousin married a gringo a few months ago in Cali and they now live in Houston. He has now spent a week in jail because she called the police on him because she claims he beat her for a 2nd time. She has fled Houston and is now in New York. She filed the battered spouse papers so she can gain permanent residency.

Why does this seem to happend so often. Is it common for abusive gringos to seek foreign women or are these women making this up. I met the cousin and she seemed to be a decent person.

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John O
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Battered Calenas, posted by elcolombiano on Aug 1, 2003

Think I may know this lady; we went out several times in Cali. She e-mailed me recently complaining of how her machista "Mexicano" husband had done a 180 after their marriage & was now mistreating her, though she didn't go into much detail. She always seemed honest to me, so I would give her the benefit of the doubt. But who knows?
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Pete E
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Battered Calenas, posted by elcolombiano on Aug 1, 2003

Spousal abuse is one way a latina can get to stay even if she quickly leaves her husband.Since the police arrested the guy I presume they have some evidence of abuse,but she
could have faked it.I have read stories of this.I think the Russians have it down to a science.
Of course abuse is possible and its also possible her temper had something to do with it.One visit by the cops and its time to call it quits for both parties.

Pete

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Jeff S
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Battered Calenas, posted by elcolombiano on Aug 1, 2003

... violence is initiated more often by Latinas than gringas?

Some studies indicate that a higher percentage of domestic violence is initiated by women, but the severity of violence is higher in men. We've all heard the stereotype of firey tempers.

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

- Jeff

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cancunhound
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Battered Calenas, posted by elcolombiano on Aug 1, 2003

I've never seen any studies that indicate that an agency gringo is any more or less likely to beat their wife.  Interesting for only having been here for a couple of months, this latina knew the ropes and had a backup friend apparently in New York.  Could be alot more than meets the eye in this scenario.
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jim c
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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Battered Calenas, posted by cancunhound on Aug 1, 2003

Ya lays ya money down and ya takes ya chances!!!!!!
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Brazilophile
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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Battered Calenas, posted by elcolombiano on Aug 1, 2003

Does the husband like to get drunk or use drugs?  Has he complain about her long distance telephone calls to her family and want to her stop?  Is he angry abut AW giving her "bad" ideas and want her to limit her friendships to other Latinas?

I work with people who conduct research into substance use, and its relationship to violence is one area of interest.  Unfortunately, domestic violence is a big problem (but unacknowledged) in the US.  A large portion of it is brought on by alcohol or drug abuse.  Isolation of the woman is a major characteristics of DV and some men may believe it is easier to isolate an immigrant wife than a native wife because her family is abroad and can't easily enter the US.  So men predisposed to beating women may be over-represented among the men going South.

On the other hand, many Latinas know the law regarding permanent residency in the US.  Some may falsely claim battery.  Others may intentionally look for men whose buttons they can push and easily provoke to violence.  A few shoves and punches may be a bargain for them when the payoff is a green card.  

Personally, I think that both the perpetrators and victims of DV have deep seated emotional problems and they find each other in the courting process.

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Aaron
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Battered Calenas, posted by elcolombiano on Aug 1, 2003

El Colombiano,

I am sorry to hear about this. Who knows what really happened. The guy could be at fault, or the woman could be a snake. I am definitely not going back to agencies anymore, but I will rely on friends, and meet women already here. Here is part of my response to Cali James from a few threads down about why I don't want to go back to agencies anymore.
Aaron

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For the last year or so, I had been having major second thoughts about using agencies for many reasons. I don't think it is a bad thing if a guy wants to use agencies to meet a wife or for casual dating, actually it's an excellent concept. However, this is a list of things that are part of the agency circuit that I don't care for:

1.) negative stereotypes about the men of the foreign countries. I don't believe all latin men are abusers and womanizers.

2.) myths circulated about the "genuine merits" of the women.

3.) people who are desperate to marry quickly at the expense of using common sense. Then later they wonder why things went south, or why they never planned for unexpected things to happen. Just this past May, I saw a guy meet and marry a woman in 2 weeks, someone he couldn't speak with directly because he didn't know any Spanish. And he would get frusturated when trying to communicate.

4.) desperate controlling gringos who expect to find a submissive woman.

5.) the middle-life crisis gringos who prefer 15 years or more age gaps with the younger hotties.

6.) the guys who pass by the hoe-shacks for some quick trim, but then I see them in the agencies trying to play the nice guy role.

7.) the cats who play the "role-over women/role-over k1 visa" game.

8.) guys who have a dilusional insecurity with ALL women from their home country.

9.) the females that are looking for someone to save them from their problems.

10.) the ladies who push to get married too quickly.

11.) the gold diggers.

12.) the narco-traffick gang who are somewhere in the mix.

13.) the hoes in the agencies that come off as good girls, but will also let you know that they're on the block.

14.) just this past May, I actually survived an assasination attempt by someone who sent me a box of food to eat while I was at the agency. I was smart enough to realize the food was probably poisoned.

I've been experiencing these things for a couple of years now, and I don't think I want to put up with it anymore.

I have to be honest. I have mentioned on the board that I have Latin friends, and I do. None of my friends support my idea of using agencies, and only one or two support my idea of looking in Latin America. I really didn't want to have to rely on them to help me meet someone because if things wouldn't have worked with someone they would have picked for me, then I don't want my friends to look bad and bring them into the middle of it. However, now I realize that I'm going to need to rely more on my friends to help me find the right person. I have one really close friend, just like an older sister to me who lives in Colombia. So, I will have to ask her for some help.

On the other major hand, my strategy has shifted to meeting Colombian women in Miami. There are major reasons why I am starting to prefer women there, the list is as follows:

1.) they are already here, and I can see them more often before marriage.

2.) many already work, and if their family is here working, it will be less of a financial burden.

3.) less of a financial burden to visit them, and they can visit me.

4.) many of the Colombians in Miami, and other places in the USA, were more established financially back home, and came from higher social classes. With that, it is reasonable for me to think that the women are better kept.

5.) they already know English, and what it is like to live here in the USA.

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lswote
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Battered Calenas, posted by Aaron on Aug 1, 2003

I believe you are Afro-American just about as much as I did when Steve Martin said it in the movie "The Jerk".

Add it to all the other balony you have been spouting.

"I am African American"
http://www.planet-love.com/wwwboard/latin/messages/44989.html

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DavidMN
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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to I was born a poor black child ..., posted by lswote on Aug 1, 2003

Maybe Hilton got out of jail early. Or maybe they have internet access in the big house.  Wink
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Aaron
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: I was born a poor black child ..., posted by DavidMN on Aug 1, 2003

n/t
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Aaron
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to I was born a poor black child ..., posted by lswote on Aug 1, 2003

[This message has been edited by Aaron]

"I'm confident enough not to kiss your azz or anyone elses on this board. I cannot play basket ball. I cannot jump too high. I'm very well educated. I don't eat fried chicken. I'm not stupid enough to fall for fake con games. I don't use drugs. I keep a level head around pretty exotic women. I don't have a criminal record. I'm not broke."

Now, if I had any of the above characteristics, would you think I'm African American?

Peace in the Middle East Bra, remember Bel Biv Devoe?

Awe, you wouldn't know.

Aaron

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luvslife
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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to I must not be African American because , posted by Aaron on Aug 1, 2003

Couldn't I have all of the above characteristics and be White?
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Aaron
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: I must not be African American becau..., posted by luvslife on Aug 1, 2003

[This message has been edited by Aaron]

That's why I used quotes.

Take care,
Aaron

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elcolombiano
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Battered Calenas, posted by Aaron on Aug 1, 2003

I thought you already had a girlfreind in Colombia from your last visit you were planning to marry.

How do you find single Colombian women in the states to date?

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