question for the Cali-verterans among you.

[HansErich]

... in response to Hey Hans, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

Hola Georgina,

Como estas??

Aqui mi respeustas para ti..ok?

I think Germans also will make good husbands and very faithfull. If i will have a steady woman I never cheat her.

""How easy will it be for her family to get a visa to visit her?""

With all respect I think a peruvian gets a turist visa EASIER for Germany then for USA!!
OOO no problem i will pay all tickets for the whole family!! (2 padres...5 hermanos y abuela tambien...)
NOT!!!

"" How often will she be able to visit her family?"

Simple....if I have to pay all and she doesn't work ONCE a year.
If she works also maybe Twice a year.
I am sorry but I am not Bill gates!
Besides that our free (paid) holidays are limited.
I won't tolerate that my woman is ALONE to SA...for weeks and I am working my little Heini off.....to pay for her tickets!!;-)
I know what woman CAN do when alone in SA......jajajajaja;-)

"But if you have the resources, she can travel back to visit her family in LA often.
"
Sure.....no problem. I will buy her 5 tickets a year of 900 Euros each!!;-)She can stay as long as she wants.

So querida georgina....WHAT will the latina invest in this relationship??
Her lovely eyes??Her nice "curves"...

Beso!!

Hans-Erich.

[cassius]

... in response to Hey Hans, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

Where in the world did AM get this reputation for being faithful???

I've lived many years on the east coast, and as far as i can tell there is absolutely nothing in the society that should encourage men to be faithful.

Just as here in the UK there are no social conventions involving family, religion and social dynamics that puts pressure on men to be faithful. No such incentives. Not in this day and age!!

Hey, if AM can get a reputation like that then LA women can get one for being faithful, loving, devoted home makers (please read your latest TLC brochure). Ha!

Anyone who takes this seriously in comparing the rich advanced industrial countries has not been carefully noting the grave changes in family and society since the 1960s, especially.

I just don't think such a belief has any meaning even in the most well-intentioned generalization.

Oh, of course AM fall in love just like latin men.

[Georgina]

... in response to Re: Hey Hans, posted by cassius on Aug 6, 2003

Cassius,

I just tell you about what I am familiar with and what I know about living in the USA for four years and having friends from many friends from Brasil, Colombia, Peru who are happily married to AM. Of course, there are always exceptions.

I think this belief comes mostly from latinas married to gringos than from gringas married to gringos. I am sure American women think just the opposite.

By the way, I have also heard good comments about English men.

Good luck to you.

[cassius]

... in response to Re: Re: Hey Hans, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

georgina:

don't believe that stuff about UK blokes.

i would strongly advise a latina to be careful about the sexuality of a UK man she may want to marry.

people are trained to be very egotistical in all they do - especially in love and war (ooops, i mean sex). there are no social rules or training for faithfulness. not anymore!!!

this isn't a 'simple' pre-historic society. people can be very complex in their needs for sex and love in this country.

just look at tv - the perfect mirror of how the society sees itself and also what it most wants to become.

it is the way in which society is structured and changes that helps to shape peoples response to sex. the availability of sex for an muslim male in the middle east is very diffrent than for a man in the UK or US.

why has the strip bar industry expanded enormously in the US and UK, but not in muslim countries???

anyway i don't want to write too much, i just seem to throw words around too much.

regards

-- out

[Georgina]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Hey Hans, posted by cassius on Aug 6, 2003

understand you and agree. My statement was just my statement. That's what I have heard while I was growing up and from family and friends who are married to AM. Perhaps I just have had a good experience with AM in general.

I don't buy either what people say about latino men being all unfaithful and macho, however all the latino men surrounding me were.

But, I certainly can assure you the above is one of the reasons women are starting looking abroad.

[HansErich]

... in response to Re: Re: Hey Hans, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

Hola georgina.

What do Latinas in your view think of German men??

OOOO I am so curious!

besos

Hans-Erich.

[Georgina]

... in response to Georgina....sobre hombres allemanos., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

Sorry Hans, don't have a view about it, because I don't have any friends at all with novios alemanes o esposos alemanes.

However, it is general belief that Germans like a lot Brasilian women, sobre todo las de piel canela.

[HansErich]

... in response to Re: Georgina....sobre hombres allemanos., posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

So HOW on earth can you say all these things about my country??
If you don't even know what you are talking about?

OOO me encantan las peruanas;-)

Hans-Erich.

[Georgina]

... in response to Re: Re: Georgina....sobre hombres allema..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

You should stop making generalizations about Peruvian women.

Hay estos Alemanes.

[Georgina]

... in response to Re: Re: Georgina....sobre hombres allema..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

n/t

[HansErich]

... in response to Re: Hey Hans, posted by cassius on Aug 6, 2003

Dear Cassius,

what Georgina meant (at least that is I hope she meant...) was that AM are MORE faithfull then their latino counterparts.

;-)

Espero me entiendes!

Hans-Erich.

[cassius]

... in response to being faitfull/ser fiel, posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

hans:

Impossible to verify as fact - right?!

Such a 'reputation' is only just another cliche people use like currency.

Come on hans, there is nothing in US society that would make AM more faithful than latinos.

The more useful question is to ask - how do latino men 'express' their sexuality within the rules of social conventions? - how is this diffrent from the realities in US society and the needs of AM?....etc

You can't get meaninful things from cliches. I merely want to suggest that most cliches are biased
personal hang-ups.

But it is possible to get some idea of the diffrence between a latino and AM,  by asking questions that can be fairly answered by looking in detail at how life is lived.

I guess i'm suggesting that the best 'practical' research by trained people (sociologist, councelors, anthropologists) is one way to jump all over the issue.

But i think anyone who looks at tv or the papers will note that both US and europe society are awash with sex, for the sake of sex. It is not convincing to ignore this and the breakdown of families and believe AM have a reputation for faithfullness.

I live both in london and wash dc, I would never say that UK men are faithful. Because there is so much evidence around me that sex is not limited by any enforced rules these days. Even girls of 17yrs have lots of freedom.

Human sexuality has never been limited in society by the whims of personal love.

Hey, sorry for long reply. And i don't mean to sound like i know any of the answers!!!!! Just question everything.

Anyway i enjoy reading your posts and the way you are ready to help others with info.

-- out

[beenthere]

... in response to question for the Cali-verterans among yo..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

Hans,
I know of a few Calenas who have married Europeans.  One of them was the secretary for Latin Encounters for many years.  She married a guy from Germany.  Also a good friend of mine is getting engaged to a guy from Norway.  The majority just want a good, loyal man, who is a gentleman, who knows how to treat a woman with love and respect.  Being respectful is very important in the latin culture.  Some gringos still haven't learned this concept.
Good luck Hans, you seem like a good guy.  Just don't get too caught up by the looks.

[HansErich]

... in response to Re: question for the Cali-verterans amon..., posted by beenthere on Aug 6, 2003

Thanks beenthere!!

Sure I am respectfull...and I realy hope they are too;-)
I know (from earlier experiences) some latinas think that if we are respectfull that we are also DUMB.....;-)
But this is not the case with me.

About being a gentleman..i do not understand.
Is that included that I must pay for their famely too??
(I heard allready some stories about that?)
I am a normaL guy and a treat each woman as my equal.
I know most latin guys (if marry a latina) do not pay for their in-laws. So why should i do this??? (hell yes...I am the rich gringo from germany..lol)
Please understand I know latin life qwuite good....thatb is in Argentina and in Brasil. I can imagina Colombia is not THAT different.

I am afraid that wehn  such a good looking hot latina walks the streets here in Dortmund some men will kidnapp her!!
We have a large shortage on availeble women within the agegroup 20-40....:-(
So I am looking for a less pretty woman between 25-32 years old WITHOUT a child.
Preferably nurse,schoolteacher,shop-assistant or even peasant girl.
No high level women please.
I also do not like fake boobies...or fake anywere.

best regards,

hans-Erich.

[cassius]

... in response to Re: Re: question for the Cali-verterans ..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

Hans:

Are you serious about the potential for kidnapping?

Well it is sort of funny that a guy has to settle for a less pretty woman, because there are crazed guys out there in dortmund who haven't seen a beauty in light-years.

Also why no "high level women"?