Is lying the national pastime in Colombia

[elcolombiano]

I called a woman (10 PM) I am very interested in because she asked me to call her today a few days ago. The mother answers at home and says she is not home, that she went with the Church group to write e-mails to me. I tell the mother I will call her on the cell phone. I call on the cell phone and she is at a night club. She did say to call her at home after 11 PM. Is someone lying to me or am I parinoid?

[Brazilophile]

... in response to Is lying the national pastime in Colombi..., posted by elcolombiano on May 14, 2003

When I was dating a calena, I also found myself wondering if I was being lied to.  She would bring up things from past conversations that I could NEVER remember quite the same way she did.  I chalked it up to miscommunication due to language, at first.  

However, it continued for months and I began to be very certain about differences in what she told me recently versus a while ago on the same subject.  What bothered me more, though, was evasiveness.  In the beginning of a relationship I can understand not being willing to open up a great deal.  But after 8, 9, 10 months she was still being closed and evasive with me.  I equate evasiveness with outright lying since both are meant to deceive.  I ended the relationship due to her evasiveness.  At the time I knew she was hurt by a previous boyfriend and didn't trust him.  What I realized later was that she projected this onto all men and basically lied until she felt a man was trustworthy.  She didn't, and possibly still doesn't, realize that her lying makes HER seem like the untrustworthy one.

[Michael B]

... in response to Re: Is lying the national pastime in Col..., posted by Brazilophile on May 16, 2003

Another love before my time made your heart sad and blue

So now my heart is paying dear, for things I didn't do

A memory from your lonesome past keeps us so far apart

Why can't I free your doubtful mind and melt your cold, cold heart?

Hank

[Pete E]

... in response to uh oh, I feel a song coming on, posted by Michael B on May 16, 2003

Just listening to classic Johnny Cash this morning,old sun records,original stuff.My wife doesn't like it.I blast it when she is not here.
"Your gonna break another heart your gonna tell another lie"  I Love that old thump thump Bass sound.Reminds me of beer joints with sawdust on the floor where I grew up in Idaho.Some so far back in the boonies they didn't care your age and unpluged the clock when it got close to closing time.Of course you were drinking with the local deputy sherrif.He didn't care if you didn't cause any trouble.Stack hay by day,drink beer at night.The old thump thump bass takes me back every time.
Then I open the paper and see  June Carter Cash died.  Johnny is pretty close to.I thought he would go first.She recently accepted a award he was to ill to take personally.That was like a month ago.Complications from open heart surgury.

Pete

[DOMINGUIN]

... in response to Other songs, posted by Pete E on May 16, 2003

Pete:

I'm a huge Johnny Cash fan as well, have been since 1968 when I was 15, and first heard his album Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison. Then I listened to everything he did at Sun and everything since then, and I have all the Bear Family CD collections which are the most extensive, complete collections of his recordings. I've seen him live 8 or 9 times in 28 years, the first time in 1969, the last time in 1997. My 50th birthday was 2 days ago and my son bought me the most recetn American Recordings CD: The Man Comes Around for a present. I don't have a wife to nag me, so I play my Cash CDs and tapes but I live in an apartment building and I can;t be too loud.

I was also stunned to see that June had died yesterday, and that is the end of the Carter Family.  I still think Anita Carter had the most beautiful country voice I ever heard.  I wonder how long John can hang on without June, that was a love match if ever there was one.  

Dominguin

[yorktr]

... in response to Re boom chicka boom, posted by DOMINGUIN on May 16, 2003

June's daughter in first marriage. A fairly good songwriter, fairly good singer. I have read that she used to be quite the party girl, though...her most touching song is about the death of Maybelle, on her 1990 "I Fell in Love" CD.

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Don't Forget Carlene Carter, posted by yorktr on May 19, 2003

I think Carlene at this point is better than any of the Clan,(Johnny included)with the possible exception of Roseann,who hasn't done much recently I know of.Carlene rocks,plus she's got some good balads.I loved the video's of I fell in Love and Every Little Thing,but  taped over mine I guess.Where can you get old videos?
But ex son in law Rodney Crowell is a better musician than any off them,all put together actually. I saw him when he was backing up Emy Lou Harris about 1976 and she let im sing a song or two that he wrote.I have everything he has done since I think.Some of it old lp's,I need to replace them with CD's,my turntable doesn't even work.I like his Keys to the highway CD,Many a Long and Lonesome Highway,Things I Wish I'd Said.
I think Nashville of the last 5 years or so has gone big hat,no talent.And everything is visual,not audio.Immage over talent.I remember Rodney Losing an award to Clint Black one time.Rodney is better than a 100 Clint Blacks,but Clint had an image thing going for him,nice guy though as big hat small talent guys go.
I loved the Marty Stuart Travis Tritt "no Hats " tour.
One of my cousins has been a cowboy all his life.He still trains calf roping horses for the Rodeo in his 60's.You would never catch him wearing his hat inside  the house or a building.Most of these big hat guys are phoney as hell.

Pete

[Pete E]

... in response to Re boom chicka boom, posted by DOMINGUIN on May 16, 2003

I remember Johnny Cash from 1956 when he came out with I walk the line.I remember it booming out in those sawdust floor beer joints.I used to go with  my father when he did the bars.He didn't drink much,he was president of the union at the local sawmill and he would look guys up in the bars he needed to talk to.My father looked like Primo Carnera.Everybody knew you didn't give no lip to big Pete.If he came home with his knuckles bleeding I knew someone had tried.He never came out second.I was always little Pete or Petie.
I saw Johnny once in person, ,at Lake Tahoe,1975.One thing that always bothered me was at that performance and all his live albums he butchered I walk the line by playing it too fast.The story when they recorded it Sam Phillips kept making them slow it down more and more till he liked it.Johnny liked to play it faster.When the record first started getting played Johnny was in Florida and called Sam and asked him to please pull it.Sam told him if you don't want to hear it don't turn on your radio,its everywhere.It really needs that slow chicka boom sound to sound right to me.
Rodney Crowell is probably my favorite country singer,I have maybe 8 albums.He was married to Roseann Cash,Johnny's daughter.You hear his music behind her.He made her I think.
On his Houston Kid album,out a year or so he has a song about the first he time  heard Johnny Cash sing I walk the line,and Johnny sings on the song.Rodney was 8 years old.He decided right there to be a singer,and wound up marrying Johnnys daughter.
Marty Stewart was also married to another of Johnnys daughters.He does some good Cash songs,like CRY,CRy,Cry.
But there is a Carter left,Carlene,Junes Daugher.She is better than any of the other Carter stuff.I really like her music,its countryrock and ballads,some hot tunes.She hasn't done much for a few years.
Johnny looks like he has one foot in the grave now.He was on Larry King a couple months ago.They covered his whole life,with some things I didn't know.I taped it.He has an alshimers type desease.
He was 26 when he recorded I walk the line in 1956.By 1963 he looked 45,hard living.He sang drunk and stoned on Ed Sullivan and also on Hootanany,he  would just stop singing right in the middle of the song.He's 73 now,looks 100.
Finally got it together when he married June in 1968.But to me other than his early sun albums the only good stuff he did later was a few cuts on Folsom Prison and San Quinten.
He got away from the chica boom sound, I don't think he quite gets it thats what made him great.

Pete

[DOMINGUIN]

... in response to Re: Re boom chicka boom, posted by Pete E on May 16, 2003


Pete:

Enjoyed your post about Johnny Cash. He's actually 71, not 73 (his Bday is Feb. 26, 1932), but he has aged so much in the last few years while fighting for his life.  Crowell is a very talented songwriter and Marty Stuart can pick with anybody, he was on the road with Lester Flatt playing mandolin when he was 13 years old!

I agree with you that the stripped down boom chicka boom sound that Sam Phillips came up and the fusion between rockabilly and pop is part of what made Cash famous in the mid 50s.  He's been commercially red hot 3 times in his career in the mid 50s, from 68-71 when he sold more records then anyone else in American music), and then in the mid 90s when he broke away from Nashville, signed with American Recordings and recorded what he wanted to sing.

IMHO, what makes Cash such a great artist is precisely what you don't like, he doesn't let himself trapped by boundaries and he tries different things. He isn't always successful with every recording, and he always mixes in old recognizeable hits that are uniquely his, but he has always had the courage to push the envelope. If you don't think he did anything good after Sun or the two live prison albums from 1968 and 1969, you might listen to the first American Recordings album from 1994, just him and a guitar singing songs about sin and redemption that are so private and personal, that he is laying his soul bare. And I think that is what a great artist does, show yous his or her soul through their work.    

He's past 70, has glaucoma, can't see, has some kind of auto immune disease,is susceptible to pneumonia, can't stand on stage and yet he is still recording music in the studio and making new, younger fans who listen to what he is playing and singing.  And then those new fans go back 35 years in time to listen to the live prison recordings or even 48 years back to listen to the early Sun releases.

In the history of American pop music, how many recording artists have lasted 48 years? Sinatra, Louis Armstrong, Tony Bennett, BB King? I'm running out of names.  If lasting that long, defying disease, battling addictions and continung to record and making new fans isn't great, I don't know what is great.

Just my nickel.  

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Re: Re boom chicka boom, posted by DOMINGUIN on May 17, 2003

Your way ahead of me here,I know more about it than 95% of the country fans but you really did your homework.I'll get the newer albums and listen.Lots of singers get tired of their old stuff even though it was the old stuff that got them there.Because of fame they get an audience on their new stuff but have to fight comparisons with the old.Just my opinion,if JR never did the old stuff no one would have even listened to his new stuff.
Reminds me of Rick Nelson and "Garden Party".Also,Arlo Guthrie.He only had one hit,alices restauraurant,and got to where he refused to preform it,so people who came to see him were p!ssed.But that was a long story thing more than a song,so I could really see how he got tired of it.He had a couple other songs tat got played but I wouldn't call them hits.
As far as recording artists lasting 48 years,there are some but most are a shadow of their former self,so I guess Johnny did better than most.
Little Richard is still around.Even though he had no hits untill 56 or so he was singing before that,as a kid in minstrell type shows,hence he got the little before Richard,as in about 12 years old.So he probably goes back about 55 years or so.He doesn't do much any more,but some concerts.He still Rocks in Concerts.
The rolling stones are around 40 some years,but they got a problem.The immage of their music doesn't fit 60 year olds very well,and won't work at 70 at all I think.
So yeah,48 years and still able to make the charts is one of a kind I think.
And there is the self destruction thing.Lots of guys are not here because they couldn't survive the fame and temptations.You get smart or you die and Johnny barely got that one in time.
Its fun having the internet.I can search old rockers and find many of them still play but you never hear of them because they get no audience any more.Johnny Rivers,Dale Hawkins.
Fun subject but we digress from women.Hell I already got my woman,I'm here for intertainment.I'll mail you off line from here.

Pete

[Michael B]

... in response to Wow- you really are a fan, posted by Pete E on May 17, 2003

You already mentioned Richard, so I'll add Cab Calloway (deceased), John Lee Hooker (deceased), James Brown, Pete Seeger, Louis Armstrong (deceased), Tina Turner, Dinah Shore (deceased), Bob Dylan, Aretha Franklin, Dean Martin (deceased), and Chuck Berry who were (or still are) on the music scene 40 years or more (bet most people don't know that Tina Turner's been at it since 1954). There's a few more, but the list is not all THAT long....as you noted, hard living did a lot of them in before they lasted that long.

Remember the song "If there's a Rock & Roll heaven, you know they've got a hell of a band"? or Tex Ritter's 50's hit "I dreamed I was there, in Hillbilly Heaven"?

[Michael B]

... in response to Re: Re boom chicka boom, posted by Pete E on May 16, 2003

At least neither of you had the misfortune to be living in Fort Gibson, Oklahoma when Merle Haggard came out (look on a map and you'll see why if you haven't already figured it out). Hey, here's a good one (and true). The fire station in Fort Gibson burned down, they couldn't get the trashy old truck started, so they pushed it out and managed to save it (of course not running, it couldn't pump, so they lost the building, ha ha). Anyway, Ernest Tubb heard about it and had two or three travel days between gigs, so he came down and did a benifit at the high school gym. He wouldn't take a cent and even paid his back up boys to work on their day off out of his own pocket. He raised enough money to rebuild the fire station....when asked why he did it, he just replied "Because these are the kind of folks that buy my music."

PS -- geez, I HATE hauling hay--only did it 3 times, first time I didn't know any better, other two times I was helping friends get it in when rain was imminent and they would have lost it if it had gotten wet.

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Re: Re boom chicka boom, posted by Michael B on May 16, 2003

Michael,
Looks like Fort Gibson is right next to Muskogee.You didn't like being associated with the song I guess.Merle Haggard is from Bakerfield ,Ca.Lots of dust bowl Oakies wound up there.Buch Owens too.I think their families were all from Oklahoma.I drove from Dallas in to Oaklahoma city one time,it was night when I drove it.Then I drove west to Amarillo during the day.Its the one state I never saw anything  I liked,but my daytime driving was OC west.Flat baren plains.See our rattlesnake stops every few miles.
I've been told Tulsa is OK.
A Good friend of my wife from Cali married a gringo and moved to Guymon.What a place for a Cali girl to wind up.Talk about middle of nowhere.If I had taken my wife there I bet she would have went back to Cali.But this girl has a good marriage and doesn't complain at all.She even got a job at a local hospital.
I got in on the hay bucking/stacking just about the time the autoloaders came out.Our new one broke down so we had to do it by hand.The truck bed is 42" high.When they stack hay 6 bales high they have to get up to 10 ft from the ground.You have a hook,pull up the bale to your waist,then hook the far end and swing it up.The guy on the truck has to reach down with a hook and grab it.You also need a long sleeve shirt or the hay eats your arm.The string bound bales get up to 100lbs.The wire bound ones can be 150 or so.
Fortunately we just had the wire ones.In 1959 I worked on a ranch for $6 a day plus room and board.The food was bad and we got a wood box bunk with straw for a mattress.We worked 10 hours a day,7 days a week.I got tired of that and got a ranch job close enough to home so I could stay home and get moms cooking and my bed.Still worked 7-10's but  made $70 a week instead of $42.Cowboy characters from all over worked at the stay there ranch.What an eye opener for a 16 year old kid. When I was 18 I went to work in the sawmill,that paid about $2.25 an hour,big bucks for there and then.After 2 years I decided College would be a better idea.I Graduated,got in my car and wound up in San Francisco.Worked there 2 years,been in San Jose every since.
I love alot of things about Idaho but its too cold in the winter. I took my wife there on a vacation..She was not impressed.Little town she would live in no way.Some of my friends live on a few acres 10 miles from a town of 10,000 people.No way Jose says my wife.She likes being in a city.
I guess I grew up with country music so liked it as well as rock and roll.But a Johnny Cash song brings up memories.

Pete

[Michael B]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re boom chicka boom, posted by Pete E on May 17, 2003

[This message has been edited by Michael B]

Right on both the location and the reason. FG is about 2000 people, Muskogee was about 60,000 in those days but is down to about 40,000 now. I was up there a couple of weeks ago (Mom and one brother still live in FG, one sister lives in Muskogee). BTW, the song's a lie, (a much more accurate description of the people is David Allen Coe's song "my long hair just can't hide my red neck") that whole area has some of the best homegrown in the country (don't use it myself, thank you, but a lot of folks do) and the local college (where I actualy taught Spanish once) is only a two year school and does not even HAVE a football team, ha ha. But they used to have a killer basketball team, about every other year they would win the national championship for their class.

Western Oklahoma is flat and dry and grows wheat. Eastern Oklahoma is refered to as 'Green Country', is hilly and grows hay and cattle, you'd probably like it, at least to visit for a camping or hunting trip. Also, re: your recient real estate posts: Bet you I can buy as many (by California pricing  standards) "Million Dollar" houses as I'd like to all day long for $60,000 each in Muskogee....but I'll admit that I'd be hard put to find a job there that could service a $60,000 mortgage, that's why I'm in Dallas now, it's all relative.

PS we didn't use hay hooks, we picked them up one hand on each wire, got one knee under them and used the knee to lift them and when they were high enough swung/pushed them onto the truck, where a guy standing on the truck bed stacked them. The really bad part was stacking them inside those HOT 100 degree plus barns.

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re boom chicka boom, posted by Michael B on May 17, 2003

Michael,
Fun memories.I could tell alot more Idaho stories but probably said too much already.
Real estate.Your right,huge difference.Would you believe my house in 3 bedrooms,2 1/2 baths,1600 sq ft and it just got appraised for $738,000?But we live 4 blocks from the cutest little upscale shops/restaurant/coffee house street scene in San Jose.Location,location,location.It would be about $500,000 in some other parts of San Jose.Basic 3 bedroom 2 bath 1200 sq ft houses start around $425,000 in not so hot areas.Showed the cheapest property in the valley 3 weeks ago.1 bedroom Condo,bad area but OK small unit.$189,000.If my house was 4 blocks off University Avenue in Palo Alto it would be worth about $1,500,000.
Myself and some of my real estate associates/investors are looking for places to invest.The prices are so high here cash flow doesn't work on rentals.And We can see values will never go 20 to 40 times what they are now like they did in the past 35 years.We're looking for the places where property is cheap but has good potential to increase and cash flow looks good.I don't know where it is right now.Lots of places property is cheap for a reason,the local economy is going the wrong way or stagnent.And even if theoretical cash flow looks good  if just about any body with a job can buy a house who are you renting too?Bads news folks that will cause you more trouble than they are worth is often the answer.
Suggestions appreciated.I can write off my vacation trips if I am searching for real estate.
We are using too much of Patricks space here.You can mail me at peiguren@aol.com

Pete