Colombia will always be a haven for brides...

[Yalg]

... in response to Well, you do make some good points here...., posted by Aaron on Mar 29, 2003

You make a hell of alot of assumptions in your post about many things.  You strike me as having a superiority complex, due to your education I suppose.  Thats all fine and well but you appear to imply, by the way you pound the issue, that most guys looking are losers and can offer nothing to a women unless they are loaded with money.  This is exactly what guys are trying rid themselves of here in this country.  Women more interested in your car, house, and checking account balance than what is in your heart.  However, I am not naive and I realize that the reason most colombianas consider us good catches is because we in fact do have money and a better standard of living.  So they are not really that far removed from American women when you get right down to it and be honest with yourself.  Having said that I still believe they, in general, are more honest and sincere once in a relationship and more likely to stick it out through thick and thin.  But there is no advantage in lying to onesself about their core motivations in this process.  You have to take a big leap of faith to believe they are somehow completely superior to Western women in most respects.  I dont have blinders on, but I can still hope and that is what this is all about.  Dont short change the average guys who are not rich though, they are not all losers and probably have more to give in their hearts than some rich guy who can have his pick of women due to his financial situation.  I would rather be poor and have a women still marry me for who I was rather than marry me for my big house and car.

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: Well, you do make some good points h..., posted by Yalg on Mar 30, 2003

I made the assumption that many men travelling to Latin America looking for women are sex tourists.

You made the assumption that Colombian women are looking for foreign spouses not out of love, but to have a more stable situation economically and socially. As a consequence, you argued that Colombia will always be a haven for brides because you claim that the country will always be in turmoil. Now, those definitely are assumptions.

I never said anything about average guys. I was talking about sex tourists who pretend to have leverage that they don't really have.

The crux of my response to your post is this, there are women with alterior motives in the search, and there are men with alterior motives in the search. Don't pick on one group, but ignore the other.

Another thing, it is a shame that you make such broad generalizations and assumptions about American women. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with American women (whether they be white, black, latina, asian, etc.), and many make decent partners. My preference is for Latinas, however, because I appreciate their culture and physical beauty.

Aaron

[Yalg]

... in response to Our Assumptions..., posted by Aaron on Mar 30, 2003

I dont know what your talking about.  What broad generalizations did I make about American Women?  I said Colombians are similar to Western women. Thats about all I said. I think all women are basically similar in most respects.   Just drop it as I dont want to go down this road again.

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: Our Assumptions..., posted by Yalg on Mar 30, 2003

What you put out, you get back.

Aaron

[Yalg]

... in response to It's about karma Yalg...., posted by Aaron on Mar 30, 2003

Karma has nothing to do with anything.  I dont believe in karma, just like I dont believe in santa or the easter bunny anymore.  If you really believe in this nonsense then I suppose you believe it applies to everything?  What did the jews do to deserve the karma they received in world war two?

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: It's about karma Yalg...., posted by Yalg on Mar 30, 2003

Let me put it another way: a person's behavior and beliefs lead to future consequences.

Do you believe that?

God Bless You,
Aaron

[Peter Lee]

... in response to Well, you do make some good points here...., posted by Aaron on Mar 29, 2003

Hey Aaron

I have heard all this before, and legalizing it in Germany and Holland didn't get more people to use it.  Why coz the money was taken out of it.  If you are hooked you get a hospital band on your wrist with your addiction labeled on it.  The ambulance will meet you at the railway cars where you and the other losers sleep.  They ask you if you care to get help.  If you say no they give you what you want free.   No one makes money; no one will push it if there is no profit.  It cost money to push drugs, this is advertisement.  The ones using drugs would use it if it was legal or illegal.  Proof of that is crack in my home town is at an all time low price.   Lots of competition the American way LOL.  It is common knowledge that it is available in prisons.  The difference is in Holland and Germany they are not robbing your house or stealing your car.  They have the right to die anyway they like.  If someone is doing drugs and he is caught he looses his job and someone else gets his position, supply and demand.  Probation didn't work; drugs are the underground money for many poor people.  In the old days alcohol was made in bathtubs at home to supplement family income.  Now some grow weeds in the back yard LOL..   All it did was corrupt officials so to this day we don’t trust the Government.    To keep up with the demand of dugs it must be coming in by the tons every day.  That means coz their is money in it Governments are corrupted.  If the impossible were to happen and they could stop all the drugs coming in, ways would be found to make drugs here.  There is no stopping it, you can’t legislate morality.  The first step would be to take the money out of it.  But now it is controlled by the underground, they make the money, and they corrupt our officials.  To change this system will never happen though coz too many people are making a nice profit with the system just the way it is.  They want to keep it that way, which is why the war on drugs is not working and never will work.  It has not worked for years but instead of trying something new they keep on the old fail system. Making drugs illegal does not stop drugs; it turns it to the underground.  
Ten years ago if I spoke my opinion on this I would have been crucified.  Now it is common knowledge of the present system on eliminating illegal drugs is failing.  Under my way if someone in a high paying job position is caught doing drugs I can get his job.
My $0.3c worth on deaf ears.

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: Well, you do make some good points h..., posted by Peter Lee on Mar 30, 2003

[This message has been edited by Aaron]

How do you think USA insurance companies would take to the legalization of drugs?

Which social/ethnic groups would be more exposed to drug addiction?

You cannot make the statement that legalization will lead to less drug related crimes. Did making alcohol legal lead to less DUIs, acoholism, or bringe drinking deaths?

Also, if made legal, are we going to prohibit people under 18 from purchasing it after they become hooked? How are we going to keep it out of the hands of minors?

What about all the drug addicted infants, and infants with disformities and brain abnormalities born to drug addicted parents?

How are we going to treat these drug related illnesses?

Who are going to be the ones to control the production and sale of drugs in the USA? I really don't think our government would like to see drug barrons in south america or asia make such kinds of profits on the ills of our society.

All in all, if you legalize drugs in the USA, all the establishments in the fields of education, medicine, law enforcement, and other health related fields would protest emphatically against it.    

Also, if you think about and try to answer my questions above, you can easily see how legalization would lead to increases in insurance rates for health care and life insurance, let alone more likelihood for more drug related deaths, crimes, and consumption by minors.

Then, consider the poorer communities (poor whites, blacks, etc. etc.) that would be hit the hardest. Instead of a bar on every corner, there would be a legal crack house on every corner. Also, you would probably have the bootleggers who would try to sale drugs cheaper than what they would be on the legalized market. That would lead to more criminal activity.

Then, think how much this kind of system would cost for the public in terms of taxes....mega $$$$$$$.

Your statement of making drugs legal, and you having the opportunity of replacing someone who is caught is totally off base. This is why, if you legalize drugs, then to use drugs would be considered a CIVIL RIGHT. If employers decided to fire employees because of their drug habits (which would be considered a civil right), then that would open up a large pandora's box of discrimination issues related to employee drug consumption. Basically, employers would find it more difficult to fire drug addicts under that kind of system. However, it makes more sense to me that now, under the current system, drug addicts can be fired because of their ILLEGAL habit, and YOU or other qualified people can replace them.

You cannot compare how Germany handles their problem with how we should handle our drug problem because they are a different country with different philosophical, political, and cultural views. Also, they most likely have a different political and social structure that allows people to accept an apathetic attitude towards drug users.

The USA is different. Basically, as we claim that "Christian principles" are a foundation to what we believe in and how we govern, and we claim that we value security, respect, equality, freedom, peace, and opportunity for all citizens; then the legalization of drugs is totally against the principles that this country is founded on.  

This is what I'm talking about. America is a strong nation, but I think the ultra liberal and the ultra conservative attitudes are dangerous because they serve to change the very essence of America. When you think about Colombians, most Colombian USA immigrants are very happy to live in a country that is making a sincere and genuine effort to curtail drug trafficking, and I am too. Decent people who know the evils of drug trafficking and drug use don't want that sh#t around.

Another question: Who is more of a fool? The Colombian trafficker who produces the drug, but does not use it; OR the gringo that uses the drug, but does not produce it (well, sometimes gringos try to produce some drugs so they can have more to use...LOL!!!).

Aaron

[lswote]

... in response to Legalization would lead to anarchy in th..., posted by Aaron on Mar 30, 2003

The problem with legalization isn't anarchy, it is the religious right.  They have fought legalization as long there has been illicit drugs.  I remember somebody asking me in the mid-70s how many senators' sons would have to die or go to prison before they got drugs legalized.  Well apparently it is a lot, because the puritanical bent that has been around since the founding of this country continues to play a strong role in the choices allowed in the country.

[Edge]

... in response to Can you say "religious right"?, posted by lswote on Mar 30, 2003

that is why they never get done.  I remember when I was trying to quit smoking years back and asked if my insurance company would pay $50 for the nicotine patch treatment to get me off cigarettes. No way Jose.  They would rather I continue and develop a heart disease or cancer instead of preventing the disease.  I eventually kicked cold turkey but it sure took awhile.  

The U.S. will not put money into more treatment and prevention of drug problems because that would make too much sense.  Our solution is to fill our jails with people for drug offenses and wage a war that will never be won.  Take a look at alcohol and prohibition. Did that work??

[Peter Lee]

... in response to Legalization would lead to anarchy in th..., posted by Aaron on Mar 30, 2003

Posted by Aaron on 03/30/2003
In Reply to: Re: Well, you do make some good points here.... posted by Peter Lee on 03/30/2003:
One big point you’re missing and this is typical,
DRUGS ARE EASY ACCESABLE AND CHEAP EVERYWHERE RIGHT NOW!
Making it illegal didn’t stop anything,   making it legal will not make it easier to get drugs it will take the money out of it.
How do you think USA insurance companies would take to the legalization of drugs?
Here is a new point I haven’t considered, how do they handle the legal drugs like alcohol?  If you drive your car drunk you go to jail your insurance goes up or gets cancelled.  What’s the problem?
Which social/ethnic groups would be more exposed to drug addiction?
Like I said making it legal won’t make it more accusable than it is now, if you care to check it drugs are easier to get than coca cola.  The poor sees it as a way of an extra income.  If it is free the recruitment to get more people hooked will stop when there is no more profit.
You cannot make the statement that legalization will lead to less drug related crimes. Did making alcohol legal lead to less DUIs, alcoholism, or bringe drinking deaths?
Did making it illegal make it safer?  Al Capone ruled because of the stupid laws they created and later repealed.  
Also, if made legal, are we going to prohibit people under 18 from purchasing it after they become hooked? How are we going to keep it out of the hands of minors?
Da--- They get it now, as much as they want, it is in the school system, in the jails.  It is easier to get than cigarettes, parents don’t know what these kids are buying, there is no control in the quality of the stuff, and a percentage of kids will experiment with drugs no matter what.  From sniffing glue to heroine they will find a way.  At least when you take out the profit there is no incentive to get more people hooked.  
What about the entire drug addicted infants and infants with deformities and brain abnormalities born to drug addicted parents?
Ya Da===  All from it being illegal.  Most were recruited to make more profit.  It is made easy to get so more are hooked [the profit motive].  The idea that making it legal will make it easy for minors or any one for that matter to get drugs would be a problem to defend in a debate because I can’t imagine it being any easier to get then now.   My friend owns apartment buildings in Chicago, he tells me that tenants get drugs delivered to there door like pizza delivery.   Mostly young kids delivering the stuff coz of the high profit.    
How are we going to treat these drug related illnesses?
How are we treating them now?  So much money is spent on a failed system there is little left for treatment.  Any way I will harp again on the fact that when the profit is taken out of a product production drops drastically.  That is the American way.  Stopping some poor guy and searching his car for a single roach while tons come over the boarder is hypercritical.  Wake up and smell the coffee.
Who are going to be the ones to control the production and sale of drugs in the USA?   Who control the tons that come in every day now?  
If you can show that your addicted and don’t want any help it should be given free in the hospital.  They would get it anyway one way or the other; the difference is he’s not coming in your house to get money to feed his addiction.  People selling it to him wear gold chains and drive expensive cars.

I really don't think our government would like to see drug barrons in south America or Asia make such kinds of profits on the ills of our society.
Guess what?  No more profit, no more barons!  Did you get it yet?

All in all, if you legalize drugs in the USA, all the establishments in the fields of education, medicine, law enforcement, and other health related fields would protest emphatically against it.
Yes, because the ones making the profits will make sure protesters will be funded and motivated.   Imagine the sheriffs not getting all that money for extra helicopters because they are not needed.   All the attorneys will loose billions on drug defense cases.  We will need fewer judges, jails and rehabs, all a big burocrarcy that feeds itself.

I don’t see these people protesting against a totally failed system!  They like it the way it is.  Everyone is happy,
Right now our kids are being lined up to be recruited to do drugs.  The profit margin is so great the will buy a 747 land it in the dessert unload it and just walk away from it.  
Organized crime loves the laws as they are right now.  It guarantees them job security.
The whole criminal justice system and jails like the failed system we have now.
You yourself must like the way it is now.  It lets you spout your hypocrite ways and lets you be politically correct.  But you know in your heart that it doesn’t work.   Allowing drugs to make a profit it the black-market and letting criminals control the drugs is a sure formula for failure.  

We all lose with your attitude; you bought in to it thinking you’re a do gooder.  

Also, if you think about and try to answer my questions above, you can easily see how legalization would lead to increases in insurance rates for health care and life insurance, let alone more likelihood for more drug related deaths, crimes, and consumption by minors.
I tried to explain it to you but I guess you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.  Insurance will go down; you are taking drugs out of criminals.  The only crimes left will be real crimes and not drug related crimes.  No need to steal if the addict gets it free right?   A true addict will always find a way to get the drug he wants.  Don’t get in his way, he will shoot you stab you do whatever it takes to get it.  I say just give it too him and if he doesn’t want treatment let him kill himself with the drug.  He would have anyway only he won’t take you with him.  
With the profit taken out there will be less recruitment, less people using it and less deaths.  Even now users can get bad drugs that can kill them no one is controlling the quality.   So less deaths
Consumption by minors will drop, why?  No profit no recruitment less exposure.   Kids won’t see the dealers as role models with gold chains and expensive cars.  
Then, consider the poorer communities (poor whites, blacks, etc. etc.) that would be hit the hardest. Instead of a bar on every corner, there would be a legal crack house on every corner.
Hey Aaron?  Are you living in the same country as me?  There is a crack house on every corner!  It is door to door drug sales already!   I bet that half your friends know someone who smokes pot or has done crack.  It is easier to get than candy.  It is also getting cheaper, coz lots of competition LOL.
Also, you would probably have the bootleggers who would try to sale drugs cheaper than what they would be on the legalized market. That would lead to more criminal activity.
No, they can’t compete with free drugs, the way Germany does it if you can show you are addicted you are considered a medical problem not a legal one.  You will be given the drug free if you decide not to get treatment.  
Then, think how much this kind of system would cost for the public in terms of taxes....mega $$$$$$$.
Ya Da!!!
The savings for less people hooked will be staggering.   So staggering that the ones who profit from the system now will be out of a job.    So they want to keep things as they are.    
THAT IS WHY WE WILL NOT SEE ANY CHANGE IN OUR LIFE TIME
So don’t worry Aaron nothing will change, everything will stay the way it is for a long time.   But history will prove me right; you are being used so the failed system can continue.  
Your statement of making drugs legal and you having the opportunity of replacing someone who is caught are totally off base. This is why, if you legalize drugs, then to use drugs would be considered a CIVIL RIGHT. If employers decided to fire employees because of their drug habits (which would be considered a civil right), then that would open up a large pandora's box of discrimination issues related to employee drug consumption. Basically, employers would find it more difficult to fire drug addicts under that kind of system. However, it makes more sense to me that now, under the current system, drug addicts can be fired because of their ILLEGAL habit, and YOU or other qualified people can replace them.
So Aaron this means if I consume legal drugs like alcohol I can’t be fired?  If I drive intoxicated I can’t be put in jail?  If I drive a car intoxicated and kill someone I won’t be accused of murder?
All that has to be done is to extend the same laws that apply to alcohol to other drugs.   No big deal.
People are replaced and get fired when they have become alcoholics what’s the difference.
You cannot compare how Germany handles their problem with how we should handle our drug problem because they are a different country with different philosophical, political, and cultural views. Also, they most likely have a different political and social structure that allows people to accept an apathetic attitude towards drug users.
Hey!  If it works we should at least try it rather than do nothing but sit by and see a failed system take our money with little results.
The USA is different. Basically, as we claim that "Christian principles" are a foundation to what we believe in and how we govern, and we claim that we value security, respect, equality, freedom, peace, and opportunity for all citizens; then the legalization of drugs is totally against the principles that this country is founded on.
OH?  So why is alcohol and cigarettes legal then?  What happened to the "Christian principles” I remember the blue laws in the South.  You couldn’t buy a beer in the Supermarket on Sundays.   What was that? I don’t drink beer myself but it pissed me off that I didn’t have that choice.  
Slavery was also a part of "Christian principles” so get of your high horse and get down to reality.   We can do better than "Christian principles".  We can do better than the 10 commandments.  
Check your history Aaron Coca Cola?  Drugs have been a part of history in this country and wasn’t a problem till the [do gooders] like you made it possible to make vast amounts of profit by making drugs illegal.  

You can’t legislate morality!
I have a right to kill myself in any fashion I choose.   Making it illegal won’t change that.   At least my way I won’t take you with me.

This is what I'm talking about. America is a strong nation, but I think the ultra liberal and the ultra conservative attitudes are dangerous because they serve to change the very essence of America. When you think about Colombians, most Colombian USA immigrants are very happy to live in a country that is making a sincere and genuine effort to curtail drug trafficking, and I am too. Decent people who know the evils of drug trafficking and drug use don't want that sh#t around.
This country is not making a sincere and genuine effort to curtail drug trafficking that is my whole point.   If they keep doing what they are doing now nothing will be different 10 years from now.   How sad, all that wasted resources, going nowhere fast.  The stuff will keep coming in by the tons each day while you spout your rhetoric.
Another question: Who is more of a fool? The Colombian trafficker who produces the drug, but does not use it; OR the gringo that uses the drug, but does not produce it (well, sometimes gringos try to produce some drugs so they can have more to use...LOL!!!).
You just answered my question, who is making the profit, who will stop if the profit is gone?  You know the answer.
Aaron You and all of us will pay for this attitude, changes come slowly but they will come.   Maybe in a way it is good, now all criminal elements are focused on the big profits of drugs.   If you take away their source of income they will go back to other crimes.   So this way we keep most of the criminal element busy making lots of money in an easy way.   I would hate to see what would happen if that easy profit was taken away.   We would all have to get double locks on the doors LOL

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: Legalization would lead to anarchy i..., posted by Peter Lee on Mar 30, 2003

[This message has been edited by Aaron]

I really didn't take any time to read your post because it isn't worth it.

But, think about these questions.

1.) If I stocked every 7/11, Sheetz gas station, and liquor store with legalized drugs, what would happen to the availability and what would happen to the prices?

Answer: It would be more available and cheaper.

2.) How many people would be more likely to experiment with legalized drugs?

Answer: More will be more likely to experiment with them.

3.) And since crack and heroine are highly addictive substances, how are we going to treat the addicts and their suffering children?

Answer: Well, we would have to hospitalize them, our hopsitals and emergency rooms would be full to the brim, and everyone's health and life insurance rates will increase to cover for these addicts. The rates would probably sky rocket to the degree that no one, unless they're extremely weathly, would be able to afford such kind of insurance. For their children, well they would have to be wards of the state. Then we would have the minors who experiment and become future addicts. Then we also have the infants with drug related illness because of their parents' habits; we would have to treat them. They would be wards of the state. Hell, just about everyone would be a ward of the state...LOL!!!

4.) What about regulations? Do you think crack addicts are going to following regulations that the government places for drug use?

5.) etc.

6.) etc.

7.) etc.

There are so many things that could go wrong with the legalization of drugs in the USA. Now, in other countries, the way they handle it works for them. But, WE are in America which is based on certain principles. What works for other countries just might not work for us.

Now, read this, be angry if you want to be, but that is how it is.

Aaron

[Peter Lee]

... in response to Some questions..., posted by Aaron on Mar 30, 2003

Strange that didn't happen in Germany or Holland and they gave thd drugs for free.  Their still doing it.  
I read all of your stuff and thanks for admiting you didn't read mine.  It figures, you do gooders will kill this country yet!

By the way your hypathetical which is totally off the subject show you didn't read what I wrote.

If you would have read what i wrote you would see plainly that the example you chose was totally inapropriate.

The sad part is your ideas are running the programs.

Look at the result!!!!

What a mess, years of any progress down the drain.

Right now drugs availabe to anyone and cheap.

The underworld running the show

Millions of dollars spent with no resuluts

The addicts that can't be cured are going to get you coz they need a fix.

Have nice drug free day

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: Some questions..., posted by Peter Lee on Mar 30, 2003

n/t

[lswote]

... in response to I am drug free. Are you?, posted by Aaron on Mar 30, 2003

Show a little class Aaron.  When did Peter Lee's right to make valid points turn into the right for you to imply he might use drugs?  You have really ticked me off with your pointy head, better than thou attitude.  You know nothing about life but what you have read in books and perhaps based on your reply to Peter Lee's post where you admitted to not even reading it before you posted, maybe you didn't even read some of the books.