Brazil Trip Report, Part 4a

[Yalg]

... in response to You are perhaps the Dumbest MF..., posted by Onephd on Mar 5, 2003

"There are good women in Brazil, but they run few and far between."  That is about as asinine a statement humanly possible for a serious person trying to give the board an idea of what Brazil is like.  YOU can make a statement such as this and have the nerve to call anyone dumb?  If you dont know a damn thing about the country, then is best if you just shut up rather than denigrate and entire nations women.  Their your words and you wrote them so take the responsibility and stop trying to blame me for your own stupidity.....

[Yalg]

... in response to You are perhaps the Dumbest MF..., posted by Onephd on Mar 5, 2003

Never said you went to Colombia so dont know where that came from.  Never resorted to the type of language you are using.  Listen, anyone who reads your first post can see clearly that you were talking as if an expert after 10 days in Sao Paolo.  You made the most ridiculous general statements this board has seen in quite some time.  The fact is, you dont know anything about what you were talking about and somebody has to set the record straight.  If you want to pretend that your post was anything other than utter bs then fine.....next time try to post about something you know about rather than denigrating an entire nations women.....It would show you have some intelligence.  You obviously dont like the fact that somebody called you on your bs, but thats your problem......your post was uncalled for and I hope you get banned.....

[Yalg]

... in response to Your post speaks for itself...., posted by Yalg on Mar 6, 2003

You said, "many brazilian are not interested in any intangible quality that a man can bring such as honesty, stability, integrity or faithfulness..."  

Oh really? Then what exactly are they interested in according to your learned opinion?   Dishonesty, unemployed men, lack of morals, cheating?  

Like I said earlier, if you dont have anything remotely intelligent to offer is best if you shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.

[Ralph]

... in response to Yalg-  Dude Calm down!!, posted by Onephd on Mar 4, 2003

I prefer a woman that decides to marry ME, not decides she will Marry a gringo and picks me out of a group. Agencies certainly make things easier in the short term, but meeting through normal circumstances seems to work out better in the long term.

As far as quality of women. I have been to both Brazil and Colombia. I wasn't looking for a wife in either place but Cali has beautiful women, and brazil has beautiful sexy women. Women in brazil on average seem more sexy.

As far as no success stories from Brazil, we have one lister posting on Brazil and it is impossible for members here to either read or skip the posts. It appears any time ANY other country is mentioned we get reactions ranging from politely saying that Colombia is better, to calling women from said country dogs or monkeys.

While you can say there are less success stories from Brazil, there are also less horror stories. Brazil is a major tourist destination for people that are not looking for women. Colombia, would not be visited by members here if not for the point and click ease of use of agencies.

[Onephd]

... in response to I think just the opposite, posted by Ralph on Mar 5, 2003

I did not say that I thought Colombia was better.  I think that because I did not say anything positive that everyone assumes that I'm pro-Colombian.  I have never been to Colombia so I don't know.  My opinion was offered as to why I don't think there are more marriages to Brazilian women.  

I don't know if I like Agencies or not, but I do like the idea of having a source of women that have already considered the idea.  However I agree that I would not want a woman to marry me and not any Gringo.  I don't know that this happens in the agency however.  It will an interesting adventure for me when I go and use one.

As I said the meeting someone on the street and falling in love scenario is beautiful but not sure how easily it can be done.  I think as long as the couple takes their time after meeting in an agency, then the odds for a successful marriage are there.  

Unfortunately we don't have good statistics on any method so its hard to say.

I agree that many people get ripped on this board when they mention somewhere other than Colombia.  However, that should not stop people from posting their reports and stories.  I think Brazilophile kind of got ripped because has not yet gotten to the point of the women in his report.  To some it sounds like he is building up Brazil but has not delivered on the issue at hand for many which is the women.  

I would love to hear about other places such as the Domican Republic too.

[JSlo]

... in response to Re: I think just the opposite, posted by Onephd on Mar 5, 2003

First let me qualify my travels since it seems to carry extra weight here. I have visited the countries mentioned most often in this forum several times with the exception of Brasil. I have only been there once. Most of my experience is in Colombia (5 trips), 2 with agencies the others on my own. I have also been to Dominican Republic 4 times, twice in the last month.
In Brasil the women and food were phenomenal! The language barrier is the only reason that I didn't return. I can't see having someone interpret every word for me, that is just me. I did see my fair share of women who dine at fats table, but for the most part, Brasil does not have to take a back seat to any country when it comes to pretty women.

Colombia is eye-candy heaven, my neck receives quite a workout each time. However the women are very aware of how to work gringos for what they can get. I have met the most savvy women in Colombia who were willing to say what you wanted to hear, to increase their lot. The beauty factor has led many a man astray in Colombia, fortunately I wasn't totally ensnared. My time was divided between Bogota and Cali. I must say that the stepped up activities by the US and subsequent bombings has dampened my spirits a bit, but I would stop short of saying don't go.

I finally decided to visit Dominican Republic. After reading many reports that steered me clear of the place, I decided to see for myself. Simply put, it was nothing that I had been led to believe. I found the people to be refreshing with a zeal for life that I enjoyed, and the women very easy to talk to. I made friends with a couple of locals and lived like the natives during my 2nd visit. Sure there are working women just like anywhere else, and there are areas exclusively for those who choose to engage.
Ralph of latina dominicana showed me around for a couple of days. Of all the people that I met in this business, he was extremely honest and I never felt we both had hands in my pocket. He even bought the beer on most occasions, refusing my offers to pay. I love that guy!! He had a couple of ladies that I paid to meet, after deciding rather quickly they weren't my type, we still spent quite a bit of time together this after I told him I would go it alone. My point is this, you can read any experience, it is only the experience of one person. Unless you are identical twins, chances are quite high your experience will be very different. You've heard it many times, don't just write and ask questions; get on a plane and go! If you don't you will never have accurate information that is meaningful to you.
And yes I did meet someone special who is crazy for me while in Dominican Republic. I love that place!
JSlo

[my2cent]

... in response to Re: Re: I think just the opposite, posted by JSlo on Mar 5, 2003

Hey can you share more about the ladies in the D.R ...

[JSlo]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I think just the opposite, posted by my2cent on Mar 5, 2003

I found the ladies in the DR more open to meeting strangers than in other countries that I visited. I was at a bar/restaurant called "booties," (their answer to hooters - gotta love it!), and was sucessful in getting to know one of the hotties that worked there. She wasn't the one for me, but the smile was as wide as ever after that encounter. Every place that I visited, I made it a point to strike up a conversation with the ladies that I found attractive and some of the local guys as well. I can truthfully say that only a few of the ladies were totally not interested. I did find them to be more down to earth and not so much in the 'what can you do for me mode' as in other places that I've visited. I did have an experience where one girl wanted to go shopping the next day after we met, although quite attractive she quickly became a distant memory. For me, she was the exception. There are quite a number of beautiful women there, not on the level of Brasil, Venezuela, or Colombia but never once did I feel like complaining. In fact, the influence there is quite different. There is the unique blend of latina and carribean going on that others can not claim. Without a doubt, they are truly sensual beings and have a sexiness of their own, not having to take a backseat to any country in that department. Again I say, if you haven't tried it, just do it. The DR is close, safe, and fairly inexpensive due to the strong dollar.

[Yalg]

... in response to Yalg-  Dude Calm down!!, posted by Onephd on Mar 4, 2003

You made it clear that you thought there were more Colombianas than Brazilian chicks which is ridiculous on the face of it....but giving you the benefit of the doubt.....I think you have since thought different now that you have seen the error of your ways, which is good......more than I can say for colefire.....All I will say about the topic for the rest of this thread is that the women in Brazil are unbelievable, but you will have to find this out for yourself if you are lucky enough to go there...

[Onephd]

... in response to Read your post again, posted by Yalg on Mar 5, 2003


Dude again, read my post. I say Brazil does not have the quantity of women that M_E_N say Colombia has.  (men as in other men not me!!!)

I have not been to Colombia!!!!  I do not make the claim from a personal standpoint.  I do not know. I made this perfectly clear. I Specifically visited Sao Paulo.  I was in the city not the beach.  I went to Sao Paulo because it is the largest city in Brazil and supposedly the most sophisticated.  I figured if I was going to go somewhere and see what a country had to offer, that a place twice the size of NY would suffice.  

Claro-I'm not pro Colombia or Pro Brazil.  
Just because I don't say what you want to hear, doesn't make me biased or something.

Obviously you want to fight about this.  I really don't have time.  Go back and READ MY POST, slowly!!!  

I'm not sure why you insist of trying to insult me personally.  You don't know me nor do you want to at this point.

The fact is this.  I know I'm not the only one that was somewhat disappointed with Brazil.  I know this and that's good enough for me.  Brazil appeals to different people differently.  I actually believe that too many people hype up Brazil as some promised land for women.  Nice women yes, great party place yes, but we simply don't  have evidence or enough of it that speaks to the issue of wives.  So why not address this issue?

The original post that started this was about why the number of marriages/agencies etc. in Brazil is not bigger.  The fact is you have done nothing to address this question.  Someone else posted about their experiences yesterday and it was a great post.  He spoke about his experiences/beliefs and his soon to be "wedding".  That's what this is about-Getting Married!!  I know that that there are men that go to both Colombia and Brazil for "other" reasons than finding a wife or they get turned on to this despite their initial efforts.  But the fact is men are not marrying Brazilian women for some reasons unknown to both you and me.  Address the issues. Tell us about your fiancé or girlfriend/experiences or something related to the initial question and purpose of the board.

[Yalg]

... in response to Claro, posted by Onephd on Mar 5, 2003

If a country does not have numerous marriage agencies its not good for finding a woman?  Most people would probably think thats a good thing rather than some quality which should disqualify it from consideration.  We all know why Colombia has so many marriage agencies, at least I like to believe most people here know and dont have blinders on, but alot probably do.  Brazil is chocked full of sweetheart women who would die for a good man to marry.  I think you probably had your mind made up before you went because nobody could make some of the outrageous statements you did after only ten days.  You said you had a girlfriend there, but only had a 'decent' time....Now what does that mean?  If you went there to look for or investigate the women scene, and you found a girlfriend, then how could you only have had a decent time?  Was she a working girl, or what?

[Ralph]

... in response to Claro, posted by Onephd on Mar 5, 2003

Men do Marry Brazilians all the time. How many men have you met outside of forums like these that Marry colombianas? Probably ZERO. You are on a BBS where the VAST majority of members are Colombia fans. To the point of criticizing people that travel to different countries.

In regular everyday life I know 4 people married to Brazilians, zero married to Colombians, a half dozen married to Mexicans, 1 married to a lady from ecuador, and maybe 12-15 married to Dominicans.

How many men, not members of this forum do you know that marry colombianas?

Sao paulo is not the best place to meet women in Brazil. OTOH, my very first night in Brazil, I am in a cab heading to a disco. A car with 5 students about 19-22 years old pulls up and start talking to my cab driver. Next thing I know, we are following them to a VERY cool night Club and they tell me they will show me around! I spent the night drinking, dancing and partying with 5 cute college girls. Purely platonic, but I had a blast.

Then a few days later at a trade show a well dressed woman that worked for a TV station kept turning up everywhere I walked. She would just smile at me. No matter where I went. . . . .there she was. She finally came over, gave me her card and wrote her cell phone number on the back.

Now in Rio, not Copacabana, but nice areas, there are tons of friendly women, in Fortaleza, recife etc etc etc even better odds.

If I spoke Portugese, I would have returned to Brazil far more often. The food is INCREDIBLE and CHEAP, the country is huge, so you can travel there forever and not know it all. Cali was cool but after avenida sexta and chipi chapi, I was bored. Travel outside the major cities is insanely dangerous so you wind up at the same handful of places or worse yet, rarely ever leave an agency.

I prefer to travel, vacation, experience new places and cultures, as do many other men. there is more to life than agencies.

They serve a purpose, but I laugh my butt off when guys continually say how agencies are needed for guys on limited budgets and time frames etc. The same guys that have been using agencies for YEARS. Making friends with locals is the BEST way to meet a nice girl, in ANY country.

[Ralph]

... in response to Claro, posted by Onephd on Mar 5, 2003

Men do Marry Brazilians all the time. How many men have you met outside of forums like these that Marry colombianas? Probably ZERO. You are on a BBS where the VAST majority of members are Colombia fans. To the point of criticizing people that travel to different countries.

In regular everyday life I know 4 people married to Brazilians, zero married to Colombians, a half dozen married to Mexicans, 1 married to a lady from ecuador, and maybe 12-15 married to Dominicans.

How many men, not members of this forum do you know that marry colombianas?

Sao paulo is not the best place to meet women in Brazil. OTOH, my very first night in Brazil, I am in a cab heading to a disco. A car with 5 students about 19-22 years old pulls up and start talking to my cab driver. Next thing I know, we are following them to a VERY cool night Club and they tell me they will show me around! I spent the night drinking, dancing and partying with 5 cute college girls. Purely platonic, but I had a blast.

Then a few days later at a trade show a well dressed woman that worked for a TV station kept turning up everywhere I walked. She would just smile at me. No matter where I went. . . . .there she was. She finally came over, gave me her card and wrote her cell phone number on the back.

Now in Rio, not Copacabana, but nice areas, there are tons of friendly women, in Fortaleza, recife etc etc etc even better odds.

If I spoke Portugese, I would have returned to Brazil far more often. The food is INCREDIBLE and CHEAP, the country is huge, so you can travel there forever and not know it all. Cali was cool but after avenida sexta and chipi chapi, I was bored. Travel outside the major cities is insanely dangerous so you wind up at the same handful of places or worse yet, rarely ever leave an agency.

I prefer to travel, vacation, experience new places and cultures, as do many other men. there is more to life than agencies.

They serve a purpose, but I laugh my butt off when guys continually say how agencies are needed for guys on limited budgets and time frames etc. The same guys that have been using agencies for YEARS. Making friends with locals is the BEST way to meet a nice girl, in ANY country.

[my2cent]

... in response to Re: Claro, posted by Ralph on Mar 5, 2003

HEY,dude not trying to get off the subject but can you share some info on the girls from the D.R...The girls on the latineuro are like average....

[Ralph]

... in response to Re: Re: Claro, posted by my2cent on Mar 5, 2003

Here is my honest opinion. On average, Colombianas and ladies from Brazil and Venezuela are better looking than girls from the DR. DR ladies are just naturally sexy, very protective of their man, and proud of their country.

Most DR women look better in person than in photos, although some look worse. There was an old song by the New Riders Of The Purple Sage, called if you wanna know how she makes love, look at the way she dances. The DR, is the prime example of this.

One lady I dated for a few months was "ok". Certainly not "hot". In fact when I first met her I was totally not attracted to her. Then. . . . .  .I watched her dance. . . . she went form a 5 to a 7. The song was very right!

Jslo and I were talking and I told him that Dominican women seem to be missing a few vertabrae when they dance and make love. Catch him off list and I'm sure he'll describe the girl from "Bootys" a bit more precisely;-)

The main reasons I traveled to the DR so much was not really the women. It was much closer for me, living in NY. It had much more things to see than say Colombia. There are some of the nicest beaches in the Caribbean down here, as well as some not so nice. There is the oldest city in the new world, the colonial zone in santo domingo.I am now getting to work on some Video/TV productions down here and getting to see more of the Island. I got to stay at really nice All Inclusive Resorts, helped shoot windsurfing and kite surfing up in Caberete etc etc etc.

I came here mostly to vacation and relax, not to meet women. It is almost impossible not to meet women if you speak a bit of spanish.

I like Merengue better than Salsa. One gentleman on LWL described the difference as Salsa being about showing off your moves, and Merengue all about having fun. I'd say that is acurate. I also like to chill out at a little shack on the Malecon listening to Bachatta, which is also native to the DR.

I like Baseball, much more than soccer. The DR is BaseBall country. I got to be on field to shoot some action during the Play Offs. I shot some of the baseball players homes in San Pedro. I love watching kids that are to poor to afford balls and gloves, playing baseball with broomsticks and bottle caps. The fields in some places here are terrible. Tire tracks huge rocks etc. Kids from San Pedro must laugh out loud the first time they see artificial turf! Heck hitting a ball with a bat, must seem easy after hitting bottle caps!

Ok, back to the women. They say "mi amor" and "papi" just as many latinas do, but for me atleast it has a different sound.
They are very protective. My Dominican ex wife, got between me and a bouncer that was bigger than me, and she was open hand slapping him in the chest, telling him if he touches me, he's dead! I'm 6'4" and over 250lbs and she was maybe 5'1" and 115 lbs. She would take a bullet for me. It is a shame things did not work out because we loved each other incredibly much.

Would I say the DR is the best place to look for a wife? No. Would I try and convince people to give up on Colombia and come here instead? No. Colombia has all the agencies, which for the average guy is a big advantage. I even stayed at one years ago but personally was not into the whole interview process. People are different, and I found it too much like interviewing a potential employee. I prefer meeting under "normal circumstances".

Jslo had a very interesting technique he used to get phone numbers from women in the DR. He asked them for it! He went to a casino, asked the change girl for some change and her phone number. It worked.

How did he meet his lady? It started to rain, and he ducked into a little restaurant to get out of the rain. He met the waitress and started a conversation. To me that is more romantic than interviewing 50 ladies. YMMV.

If you have any specific questions, please ask away.