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Author Topic: Investments laws in PI (holding PI Back?  (Read 12785 times)
Frank2002
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« on: November 30, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

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We all know that foreigners cannot own more than 40 percent of a buissness in the philippines. Well how do companies from Japan open up factories thier then? Thier must be a loop hole were foreign companies that are a corporation can own factories thier or invest more easily. Does anyone here know how they do it? Also the biggest diffrence between a g 7 nation and a third world nation is investment capital, and capital in general. Here in Canada we love when the American or Japanese open up a factory or buissness here, coz it means more jobs and capital. If the Philippine goverment allowed more outside investments and buissnessesn would that not create capital and jobs thier? Seems that most people from philippines would love  to have a job of some sort and slowly they could progress from thier.Here in Canada we loved people coming from Hong Kong coz they had money and created jobs. One requirment we had is that they invest at least $300,000 before we would let them in to be invested toward a buissness of some sort. Many area's of Canada bommed coz of it. This seems the exact opposite to the logic the philippine goverment is taking. How will the philippines ever become an industriled nation with no capital or foreighn investments? Don't you think this law is hindering the develpoment of Philippines economically? I can see not owning large parcels of land for good reason, but owning a buissness or a few lots is maybe one reason the philippnes might have a hard time to find jobs for all it's citizens or develope more in the future. I for one would open up a buissness and spend $ thier if I could, and it would create jobs and help thier economy. Some jobs are better than none at all right? What do you all think?

Frank from Canada

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Frank2002
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Investments laws in PI (holding PI Back?, posted by Frank2002 on Nov 30, 2002

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Jeff s you have some very good idea's and I tend to agree with you. I think that the phillippines should open up for the good of it's citizens. Let's say a million people move to pi. Each investing $200,000 in a buissness and a home. Look at the jobs that would be created just to build 1 million new homes at the higher end level for these people. Then look at the jobs created to build thier buissness. Than let's say each family has 2 people, like nanies or drivers that would create a million jobs right thier. Then look at the people they would hire to run thier buissness and the infrastructure to the people supplying goods to thier buissness. Then all these people who now have jobs would buy things as well as the one million foreigners go to pi run buissneses creating millions of more jobs. This law of the phillippines although trying to protect itself may be shooting itself in the foot. How will the phillippines ever develope with these kind of laws? Any more comments out thier?
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Rick C
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Investments laws in PI (holding PI B..., posted by Frank2002 on Dec 1, 2002

Hi Frank,
I am surprised by the economic climate of the Philippines.  I do not have an in depth knowledge of the corruption at the higher levels of government there, nor do I have any theories that I believe would bring a resolution.  The one thing that I do see, or at least have seen from my pen friends, has been a deep rooted desire to work.  A desire that I must say is nonexistent in many areas of the United States.  I believe that this fact alone would bring about a great economic change in the PI, if the laws concerning foreign ownership of businesses were relaxed a bit and corruption could be brought under partial control.  With such a highly educated society willing to give an honest days work for an honest days wage, there is great potential for change there.  Perhaps with guidance from larger industrialized nations, there can be great change.  And the guidance does NOT have to come from the United States, I might add.  Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan can all lend advice to their neighbor...and I might add, gain additional prosperity for themselves in the form of increased trade with the Philippines.

Rick

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Frank2002
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Investments laws in PI (holding ..., posted by Rick C on Dec 1, 2002

Rick you are right about your observations on your pen pals wanting to work. That is the biggest concern of my pen pals as well. to only get a job, any kind of job, for any kind of a wage. Just to have an opportunity to work is good enough for most. I was amazed how many guys from pi I have met that are going around the world to help thier families back home. Some of my pen pals that did have jobs did say however that they work like 12 hours a day, 6 days a week and still are getting behind in providing for the basic needs of thier immdiate family. Thier other complaint I think was the fact that some of the guys from thier own home country were a play boys :-)))))) Sorry did not mean to make you guys from pi mad at me but that is what they have told me many times before:-)))))
I must say that I am impressed with the ladies thier and thier family values. However, most wanted to marry an foreigner coz they thought we would make a beter husbands than domestic grown men. Let's not spoil thier fun now and tell them any diffrent right:-)))))))

I must say this also I always feel more safe and secure with a filipina then any other ladies from around Canada. Maybe my next trip I'll find that nurse I have always searched for:-)))))

Mark from Canada

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outwest77
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Investments laws in PI (holding PI B..., posted by Frank2002 on Dec 1, 2002

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The recent articles i read in the national Newspapers such as Manila times, etc, are complaining about how President Arroyo and her flawed economic policies, are running up the deficit, are ruining the credit rating of the country, and how the countrys rating as the 11th most corrupt nation is also
steering away foreign investors. Now this week the new
excuse is that the Canadian and Australian embassies closed
due to "unsubstantiated" terrorists threats, that are labeled "hogwash" by colomnists and embarrassed govt officials who blame those countries for overreacting, and unnecessarily tarnishing the phils image in the worlds eyes.

The Phils government and media has , in my opinion, a huge blame the other guy mentality, and seems to have no rhyme or reason to its policies and seems to engage in endless drama and accusations  as to why the country cannot seem to dig itself out of its current economic dilemma, and also as to why the peso is still falling at an unprecedented rate.

When i was there for two months in August to Sept I was continually amazed and bewildered by the almost comical bickering that goes on in the newspaper columns , Its almost like watching a bunch of gossiping housewives, and the government seems to spend 90% of its time and energy defending itself from bribery and corruption accusations.

Investments will never flow there in mass, under the present laws and political climate, because of a few major reasons.

1)The banking laws are too loose to make foreign companies feel secure about their investments.

2)The foreign ownership rule is deadly to capital flowing in, who wants to partner with a local in order to invest there. In a country that is already so loosely managed, a foreign company wants all the control it can get of its assets, in order to protect its investments.

I recently saw an article that in one of the provinces on Luzon i think, the government just decided that , the large Farm conglomerates were using too much land, and they just came in and basically took the land, from these huge companies and gave it back to the people.  Its borderline socialism. I was shocked to see that, and any foreign company that was aware of policies that are that absent minded, and to people like myself, should be illegal, would never invest money in a country that would promote such anti business insane ideas.

3)The corruption is so rampant, that i changed my mind about starting a company there a few months ago. The corruption even permeates the presidential palace with the previous predident Estrada now jailed, and Arroyo is no better. One of the high government officials, Arroyos right hand political appointee, Justice Secretary Hernando Perez was recently under the gun for accepting a 2 million dollar(not Peso) Bribe from a foreign company who wanted to secure a huge contract with the Phils government. Arroyos administration refused to even consider investigating him, which made the media keenly aware of how
deeply involved the Presidential palace was in the mess, And the guy recently skipped the country. Thats what i mean about how high up the corruption goes

All in all a sad state of affairs. A nation of bright,
courteous, charming, english speaking, hard working citizens, who cant seem to dig their  way out of the hole economically and compete with even countries in the region who you would think have no chance, like  Vietnam.

I think it would take a total overhaul of the laws in the Phils to change the perception that foreign investors have of doing business there,
but that would take a monumental effort on the governments part to even
agree on what laws to change. The most simple one to change would be the foreign ownership rule, but national pride seems to be linked to that one, and the fact that a system works well in many other countries, does not make any difference.

Even if that law were changed, that, in itself, would still not be enough to overcome the corruption stigma. But i think if the law for foreign ownership were changed, it would still bring billions of
dollars and many companies would flock there.


Regardless of all this, I absolutely love the Philippines and its people.

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Frank2002
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Investments laws in PI (holding ..., posted by outwest77 on Dec 1, 2002

Good points as well outwest. I knew the corruption thier was bad, but had no idea it was that bad:-))))) I guess free captilism rules, and pi has a way to go for that.
I just feel it is a shame to see so many people thier who are educated, talented, and hard working not get a job, get ahead or have thier dreams fullfilled coz of backward goverment policy corruption and stubberness.

Frank from Canada

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Nathan
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Investments laws in PI (hold..., posted by Frank2002 on Dec 1, 2002

  Crime and corruption does not mean that "free capitalism rules"! It means that little capital and little capitalism will rule at all, as any capital ventures need the rule of law and predictable goverment in order to attract investment, and managers of capital will place the money elsewhere.

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Frank2002
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Capital does not rule in the Philippines, posted by Nathan on Dec 1, 2002

True Nathan. Pi might be to unpredictable to attract investments. Also thier peso might also devalue to qwickly to consider investing thier by many companies. But I feel it is thier laws that really scare people away the most.
China seems to be attracting alot of money these days, I wonder how the situation is diffrent thier than? Maybe they have both a more stable market, better laws, and alot bigger potential market in which to sell goods to. In pi yoiu can'yt even sell locally. Everthing you make must be exported.
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Jeff S
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Investments laws in PI (holding PI Back?, posted by Frank2002 on Nov 30, 2002

You act surprised that government policies can repress a country's economy. In truth it's precisely that that keeps countries like the PI poor. I see us (the US) marching down that road sometimes as well. Walter Williams frequently writes about these conditions:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams052902.asp
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams040500.asp

- Jeff S.

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