Just venting.

[Jay]

... in response to are you thinking what I'm thinking?--n/t, posted by Lori on Sep 26, 2002

n/t

[Ray]

... in response to Re: My Perspective, posted by Febtember on Sep 25, 2002

I think? :-)

[shadow]

... in response to My Perspective, posted by Ray on Sep 24, 2002

Less than 1% of Filipinas marrying Americans have no intentions of making the marriage work?

Wwhere did you get this one, Ray, from a tour agency?

Larry.

[Ray]

... in response to What a crock!, posted by shadow on Sep 24, 2002

:-)

[shadow]

... in response to Maybe you should go back to school &..., posted by Ray on Sep 24, 2002

you could uneducate your royal self to understand english again, at least enough to understand what it is you have written.

"I would say that less than 1% of Filipinas marrying Americans have absolutely no intention at all of even trying to make the marriage work and are only looking for the visa."

Pure and simple hogwash, Ray.

So please interpret this for my uneducated illiterate mind, to mean anything other than what I thought it said.

If you can.

Larry.

[kevin]

... in response to Or perhaps..., posted by shadow on Sep 25, 2002


I can't remain silent about this anymore.  We KNOW the statement that Ray made was a boldface lie.  If any newbie takes his word as gospel when it comes to that subject, he'll be on a collision course.  It really irritates me when somebody who knows the truth about a critical matter tries to suppress it by trying to intimidate others who try to speak up.

Although Ray may be an expert gringo on Philippine issues, he misuses his knowledge.  Enough of us at least know what really happens on the other side and that the bad stuff is real and should be avoided anyway possible.

A case in point.  Not long ago, I sent out a batch of well-written letters to potential suitresses.  Responses are starting to trickle in.  So far, I got about 3.  One letter was from the workmate of the girl I introduced myself to.  The original girl was married, and I'm told she moved back to Cebu and lives with her husband and two kids (she was, of course, supposed to be single).  The workmate (at least she told me up front), has a live-in partner she's supposedly separated from and left her kids with her sister to take care of so that she can earn money as a domestic helper in Manila.  Well, this instance is pretty obvious.

I got a response from another girl I introduced myself to.  I read the letter.  I'd sent her a stamp to help with postage.  She told me that I didn't send enough to cover postage.  The real sticking point was that she asked if I could help her financially so that she could finish her studies.  I'm not at all surprised by that kind of letter because it is very common.  In many (if not most) instances, when pinays place personals seeking foreigners, motives are warped.  It's not at all about finding love like we might hope for and expect.  A Filipino friend even told me that, although he wants the best for me, that he doesn't trust international personals.  In his opinion, about 75% of anybody that places a personal, is only interested in coming to the United States or economic improvement.

- Kevin

[shadow]

... in response to Boldface Lies, posted by kevin on Sep 25, 2002

It's nothing like the "Ray's" and the tour operators want people to believe.

I do believe there is a very large percentage of women in the PI that have legitament intentions. However, when you throw in the international personals angle those odds change dramatically.  Sometimes you can read it in the way they have written their personal adds, sometimes not.

For instance, I have come to interpret certain things that many of them say in these adds that are immediate red flags.

First one is "Age, size, weight, unimportant", which is usually immediately followed by one or more of the following;

"Seeking financailly secure man"
"Want to go to other country"
"Looking for better life"

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what these girls want, nevertheless, multitudes of men fall for them.

I cannot fault these women for wanting to better their life. If I were in their position, I would try to find a way out, too. But it needs to be pointed out to unenlightened prospects that this happens on a regular basis. The success rate of these relationships is nowhere near the positive rate predominately advertised.

Over the last two years, I seem to have become something of a counselor for the losers of this game. I have been in repeated e-mail contact with a hundred or more failures of this game. The one thing in common many of them have to say is "She didn't try to make it work".

There can be only one reason for this, these girls didn't have any intention for it to work. Their only intention was to get as much money and support from the "rich american" as they possibly could before coming to the land of "milk and honey". Many have no intention of coming here at all. Their only intention is to get the money, some get money from numerous guys AT THE SAME TIME!

Yes, many relationships fail due to normal irrelevant reasons, which will happen in any case. Many fail due to the cultural issues which should be expected here. Many fail because the two people didn't really know each other as well as they thought they did, which is going to happen as long as people think they can know somebody VIA the penpal method and two weeks a year together.

Some of these failures can be prevented with education, others cannot.

There are no perfect answers, but when someone comes along and says that over 99% of these women want nothing more than the perfect family, I cannot hold my peace. This is flat out ignorance, or has a motive.

If ignorance is bliss, they must be in heaven. If they have a motive, I am their worst enemy.

Larry.

[Ray]

... in response to You're right., posted by shadow on Sep 26, 2002

You're your own worst enemy!

Now please tell us who said "...99% of these women want nothing more than the perfect family..."? (If you can...)

You can twist others' words to fit your own little paranoid view of the world, but you ain’t fooling nobody but yourself Larry :-)

Ray

[Ray]

... in response to Boldface Lies, posted by kevin on Sep 25, 2002

Kevin, I think it’s time to take your pill.

I think you are the biggest whining cry-baby that has ever posted on this forum. You constantly whine and moan whenever you think someone is out to insult you and make you look bad, but you are the one who is always slinging the mud like a common little troll. You think you can call people liars, insult other members wives in public, and say whatever you d@mn well please, don’t you?

Well little man, I have absolutely no respect for you after what you said about Bear’s wife. Another guy lost his cool and said some things that he didn’t mean but at least he was man enough to come on here and publicly apologize for his comments. Did you apologize for your degrading insults about another’s wife? No way! Why not, because you have no respect for the people on this forum and you are so wrapped up in your own self-pity that you just don’t care who you insult or who you hurt. You’re just a pathetic little sniveling troll, plain and simple. Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

O.K., your turn flame boy…:-)

Ray

[kevin]

... in response to Hello Psycho!, posted by Ray on Sep 26, 2002


You say I said somtething bad about Bear's wife.  What the heck are you talking about?

Apologies?  What are you talking about?  It's you with you're persistent "Good Ole Boy" mentality who is just trying to toy with my emotions.  If anybody owes anybody an apology on this board, it's you owing me an apology.  You've done enough trying to assault my character and dignity.  I know I won't get an apology from you, and I'd be crazy to ever expect one coming from you.  You're nothing but a heartless, arrogant creep who has a vendetta against me.  Face it, Mr. Righteous Ray.  Come to terms with yourself, at least once!  You're nothing but a creep!

- Kevin

[Ray]

... in response to You're the pathetic one!, posted by kevin on Sep 26, 2002

...because you're nothing but a common troll.

No, I didn’t think you’d remember your petty insults directed at some guy’s wife. You’re so absorbed in yourself that you don’t care who you insult.

Look in the mirror Kevin. It won’t be a pretty sight, I guarantee you…

[kevin]

... in response to You have no character or dignity..., posted by Ray on Sep 26, 2002


Ray,

You are the one who is trying to strip me of my pride and dignity.  But you won't.  Examine you're own conscience.  Your arrogance disgusts me more than ever.  Inside your heart, you're a very small person with a heart of stone.  Yoyu project your own wickedness on easygoing people like me.  One irreconcilable greivance I'll have with you is the way you've assaulted my character; especially of accusing me of things that simply aren't true.

- Kevin

[Ray]

... in response to You have no character and a false sense ..., posted by kevin on Sep 26, 2002

Ray

You're going to make me choke from laughing! CUML!

Who started this little flame war Kevin? YOU DID!

Yes, you just couldn't keep your little mouth shut, could you? You thought you'd take the opportunity to push your luck because I let you rant away last time without a response.

Well Kevin, you asked for a fight, but now you're starting you're same old song & dance again. Poor little Kevin is being assaulted and abused by big bad Ray. You make me sick with your incessant whining and complaining.

Now why don't you go crawl back under your rock where you came from, you sniveling little coward!

:-)

[kevin]

... in response to Easygoing people like you?, posted by Ray on Sep 26, 2002


I am easy going.  I remained silent for too long.  But contrary to what you say, I'm not a coward.  I finally stood up to speak my mind.  Now who is the coward in this brawl?  Take a good look at yourself.  Have you not too much pride to stoop down and humble yourself a bit?  A real coward is the one who has to prove to the world that he's tough and dignified by repeatedly trying to intimidate others.  Ray, you've proven your colors.

- Kevin

[Ray]

... in response to Exactly . . ., posted by kevin on Sep 26, 2002

ROTFLMAOCUML!

No Kevin, you've been running your mouth and attacking people on this forum for weeks. I let you go ahead and rant on, but now you think you have a free reign to insult as you will. But I will not sit back and let you call me a liar, you little whining cry-baby. You asked for it Kevin, now quit your sniveling and take it like a man.

I'll tell you what real coward is Kevin. It's the one who can't argue his point without insulting his opponent's wife, which is EXACTLY what you did with Bear. That's the lowest form of gutter-crawling snake IMO. You think you can get away with anything by crying that you're being assaulted and put down. Well, guess what Kevin? I ain't buying your garbage. You're nothing but a fake.

If you can insult others, then shut up when you get it back at you. Contrary to what you believe, you're no better than  anyone else here and you aren't going to get any special treatment from me because you think you're going over the edge mentally. Go ahead bozo, have at it... :-)

Ray