it's over--now I need a beer

[Jimbo]

... in response to Defensiveness, posted by kevin on Sep 14, 2002

Hi Kev,

It's sure starting to look ugly now, isn't it?  When more facts come in, when we can be sure that this guy willingly participated in an awful scam against Lori, we're going to need a real classic out of you.  In the words of the Godfather, "I want you to use all your powers, all your skills" in bashing this guy who took advantage of a good woman who only asked for true love.  Give him the works: "Satan's Son... Sweetheart Swindler... Despicable..."  He deserves it and nobody does it better than you!

Jim

[Humabdos]

... in response to Culture Clash does not mean The End, posted by Tim on Sep 14, 2002

Are you really that ummm.... ummmm.... ummmm... STUPID! You have got to be kidding dude! ROTFLMAO  Hum

[Ray]

... in response to TIM , posted by Humabdos on Sep 14, 2002

Humabdos,

Even though I disagree with some of his opinions, I don't think Tim is stupid. He just sees thing differently.

When someone has an opinion that differs with yours, why don't you try explaining to him in an intelligent manner why you think he is wrong. Who knows, you might even find that method useful in your own relationships sometime in the near future. Try it, you'll like it...:-)

Ray

[Humabdos]

... in response to A suggestion, posted by Ray on Sep 14, 2002

Ray IQ has nothing to do with common sense. I deal with people everyday that have high paying jobs and harvard educations. Most of them haven't a lick of useful common sense. It doesn't make common sense for Lori to continue with ths relationship. I tried to think of a better word than stupid but well...
To continue after this CRAP would be foolish! BTW what r u doing reading my posts? ;-)  

Sorry Tim if I offended you I'm sure you are a nice guy and meen well but I think your advice sucks on this one big time.

Humabdos

[Tim]

... in response to Re: A suggestion for Ray and Tim, posted by Humabdos on Sep 14, 2002

Hum, I don't take offense to you. You are just being Hum.

Be careful, though, that you don't fall into the trap of the "common sense" justification - something that I see happening all too often today in the USA. The "common sense" argument provides for a convenient excuse for dealing with any problem in life. In its extreme, it can fuel paranoia and foment outright persecution.  

As an example I offer the way persons of middle-eastern decent (both US citizen and non-citizen) have been treated by our government and society since 9/11. Is it really just "common sense" that we give them extra attention in today's climate of caution or is it only the label we put on it to ease our conscience for our hypocrisy, prejudice, and fear ? (You don't have to answer that.)

Not to digress, let me get back to the topic at hand - Lori's situation. If she wants to find an excuse to end the marriage, "common sense" fits well. What I am trying to do is help her see that when it comes to making a marriage work, "common sense" doesn't always apply.

Regards, Tim

[Jay]

... in response to The "common sense" justificati..., posted by Tim on Sep 14, 2002

No, Tim,

As for the middle eastern descended people question, it IS common sense to look at them more closely. If your wife were hit over the head by a 6' tall Filipino, would you want the cops to;

A.) Stop everyone in the area just to be fair, maybe allowing the 6' Filipino to get away?

B.) Look only for Chinese midgets (or should I say "altitudely challenged")?

         or
C.) Look for a 6' tall Filipino?

That's common sense.

Jay

[Jimbo]

... in response to Re: The "common sense" justifi..., posted by Jay on Sep 14, 2002

I agree with you Jay,

This idea that common sense can't be trusted is an elitist message which says people aren't smart enough to know what's best for themselves.  It is the message that dictators and "ruling parties" have used throughout history to impose their will on the masses, with disasterous results.  It is contrary to the American ideal, which gives people the freedom to live their lives in a manner as they determine to be right and good for themselves.

Jim

[kevin]

... in response to The "politically correct" just..., posted by Jimbo on Sep 15, 2002

Propane gas!  Last evening I went to Lowe's to refill a rented propane cylinder.  I was shocked to be told that there were no refills.  But then I was told that I could trade the cylinder for a full one.  That was fine with me.  Until I was told it would be $20+.

Then I was ripchit.  The last time I paid for a refill (last year), it probably cost me about $10.  I said "forget it" and I'll go somewhere else.  But then one associated told me it would cost about the same anywhere I went.

A new regulation went into effect.  Slipped right by the general public.  But it was a price shock, if not price gouging.  Well, of course the general public had the opportunity to oppose this (I'm not sure if this is a statute or regulation, but more likely a regulation), but the general public does not routinely read the Federal Register from cover to cover (the general public also lacks the literacy skills to comprehend any content in the Federal Register in one reading).

Well, anytime a regulation is proposed by a Federal agency, opportunity is given (usually a 30 day notice) for interest groups and other affected parties to voice their concerns, opinions and opposition.  This is a vehicle to stop the passage and implementation of what would be an adverse regulation for most.

Well, this proposed regulation, in the name of safety, slipped right by the general public.  As far as "safety" being the issue, I think its an example of politicians capitalizing on the "dumbness" of the general public or the desire of the general public to not want to take responsibility for their own actions.  Propane is dangerous indeed, and must be handled with care and treated with respect.  (Ex.  Don't be stupid enough to light a cigarette while you're in the middle of changing the grill's propane tank.)

The real reason why such a regulation was passed was favoritism towards a certain industry that actually is a kind or regulator of the supposed regulating agency.  A special valve is attached to the new model propane tanks that now can not be personally owned by the consumer.  The inventors of this mechanism and any company that markets such propane consumption stands to benefit enormously from such a new regulation in the name of "safety".  Hence, short of doing a research paper on propane usage and the perils it wreaks upon the general public, I think this logic readily explains the price doubling.

Anyways, without any choice, I paid for a tank exchange.  I was hungry for some hamburgers.

Now consider this.  Suppose airfares were to suddenly increase two-fold or three-fold, especially in light of security from terrorism.  Such a shock would make it impossible for alot of us to travel to the Philippines, or might ruin plans for others.  Let's hope this scenario doesn't happen.

- Kevin

[kevin]

... in response to Re: The "common sense" justifi..., posted by Jay on Sep 14, 2002


My step-uncle recently expressed apprehension about taking a another trip involving flying.  Very defensively, he said "If I see an Arab looking guy on the plane, you can bet I'll be watching every move he makes!  As far as racial profiling is concerned, they made that (problem) for themselves.  Just think about this.  It's now been one year since 9/11.  What kind of sympathy or support have we really got from the Arab communities in America.  Very little, perhaps nil, as far as I've heard.

- Kevin

[Jay]

... in response to Re: Re: The "common sense" jus..., posted by kevin on Sep 14, 2002

Hi Kevin,

Yeah, I think most would naturually look at " an Arab looking guy on the plane", first. I would, THEN I would eyeball everyone else. I have a feeling not all the future terrorist will look arab, there are many colors of radical Islam.

These five people arrested in Buffalo, N.Y. were caught due to information from the Muslim community. So that is positive, I guess.

Jay

[kevin]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: The "common sense"..., posted by Jay on Sep 14, 2002


Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols initially took for granted that attention would be focused on finding an Arab-looking guy responsible for the heinous act.  To scrutinize Oklahoma City in comparion to 9/11, at least McVeigh and Nichols were both a couple of vagabonds and not part of a network millions strong.

- Kevin

[Jay]

... in response to Another thing to consider . . ., posted by kevin on Sep 15, 2002

yeah, they were a couple of real "winners". LOL! Terry Nichols was married to a Filipina, remember. I saw her on TV and felt sorry for her. That would be a hell of a story of "My marriage to a Kano", to tell when she got home, huh?

Jay

[kevin]

... in response to Re: Another thing to consider . . ., posted by Jay on Sep 15, 2002


she was a Muslim Filipina and had influence over him to cause him to commit such an act.  That's just a "What if?".  If that were really the case of course, we'd have know about it long ago.  Justice was delivered when McVeigh was put in the electric chair.  I don't care what anybody might say otherwise.  Sometimes capital punishment is a necessity, in much the same way a nuclear attack might be (the bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima) in order to save lives.

- Kevin

[Jay]

... in response to Unless . . ., posted by kevin on Sep 15, 2002

Hi Kevin,

Ya know what my Dad says about "what if"? He says "IF your Aunt had Ball's, she'd be your Uncle!'. LOL! No, I don't think she was a Muslim. At least not fanatical one. I'm all for Capital punishment. I think we should have more of it. ;-)

Jay

[Humabdos]

... in response to The "common sense" justificati..., posted by Tim on Sep 14, 2002

I would round up every stinking one of them RAG HEADS and ship them to an internment camp so they could be interrogated.

Who the he11 would want to make the kind of marriage work that Lori described?

HUM

NUKE IRAQ NOW!