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outwest77
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« on: May 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

Taiwan Plane Crashes, Hopes for Survivors Dim
Sat May 25, 1:03 PM ET
By Simon Kwong and Benjamin Kang Lim

PENGHU, Taiwan (Reuters) - A China Airlines Boeing 747-200 with 225 passengers and crew on board crashed into the sea shortly after take-off Saturday en route from Taiwan to Hong Kong.

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Search and rescue vessels picked up six bodies floating off the Taiwan-held Penghu islands, also known as the Pescadores, and spotted a cabin door, life vests and an oil slick, officials said.

Taiwan's cabinet spokesman dismissed media reports that more than 100 bodies had recovered. Television networks later said more than 100 bodies had been sighted by military aircraft involved in the search and the Penghu fire chief told Reuters he was "not optimistic" about finding survivors.

Aviation authorities said the pilot had not issued any distress signals before the Taiwan plane disappeared from radar screens about 20 minutes after take-off in clear weather, raising the possibility of a sudden catastrophe.

Speculation about a mid-air explosion was heightened by television footage of farmers in the western coastal county of Changhua, about 47 miles from the crash site, holding up bits of foam padding and scraps of inflight magazine pages bearing the airline's logo.

Other debris included business cards, baggage check-in stubs and a photograph.

In 1971, a China Airlines Caravelle was destroyed near Penghu by a mid-air explosion believed to have been caused by a bomb, killing all 17 passengers and crew.

As night fell Saturday, naval vessels with searchlights joined military aircraft and helicopters combing the sea for survivors. Ambulances stood by in Penghu's fishing port, which was cordoned off. Empty yellow body bags were stacked in piles.

Policemen and soldiers stood guard outside a small sports stadium where soldiers wearing white masks and gloves laid blankets on the ground ready to receive bodies. Nearby, members of a Buddhist charity group chanted prayers for the souls of victims.

The airline president said the absence of Mayday signals indicated it was unlikely mechanical problems were to blame.

"If it had been mechanical problems, the pilot would have had enough time to contact the air control tower," Wei Hsin-hsiung told reporters. "I can't speculate what caused the crash."

Cabinet spokesman Chuang Suo-han told Reuters: "We won't know if the plane exploded in mid-air until after we find the black box."

At least one witness talked about an explosion.

"I heard a big bang," a fisherman identified only by the name Lee told ETTV cable television. "I thought it was mainland fishermen dynamiting fish."

Dynamite is used off the coast of Taiwan by fishermen from the Chinese mainland to stun fish and make them easy to catch.

AIRLINE APOLOGISES

It was China Airlines' fourth fatal crash since 1994.

And it was the third major air disaster in Asia since April, when an Air China Boeing 767 traveling from Beijing to Pusan in South Korea (news - web sites) crashed into a mountain, killing 128 of the 166 on board.

On May 7, a China Northern MD-82 jet crashed into the sea off Dalian in northesat China. All 112 on board that flight perished.

China Airlines said Flight CI 611 was carrying 206 passengers, including three infants, and 19 crew. The plane was almost 23 years old, one of the oldest in the fleet, and had logged almost 65,000 flight hours.

Airline Vice President James Chang said the plane had been sold to Orient Thai, a Thai charter carrier, and was scheduled to be delivered on June 20.

In Hong Kong, distressed relatives of passengers and other loved ones gathered in the airport to await news.

"We feel so deeply sorry for this incident," David Fei, the airline's general manager in Hong Kong, told a news conference. He bowed twice in a Chinese gesture of contrition, but defended the company's safety record.

"Safety is our top priority," said Fei, adding the plane had received a maintenance check every year.

Taiwan cabinet spokesman Chuang Suo-han said the cabinet had formed an emergency team to deal with the situation."

The plane took off at 3:08 p.m. (3:08 a.m. EDT). Flying time from Taiwan to Hong Kong is one and a half hours.

"The plane abruptly disappeared from the radar," transportation minister Lin Lin-san told reporters.

Airline officials said fourteen passengers were from Hong Kong, Macau and China. There were two Singaporeans and one Swiss on board.

In the last major crash in Taiwan in October 2000, a Singapore Airlines plane crashed at Taipei airport killing 83 of 179 people on board.

China Airlines was taken over in 2000 by its first woman chief executive officer, who set out to fix its appalling image. She resigned in January for a short-lived career as economics minister.

A China Airlines MD 11 flipped over on landing in Hong Kong in September 1999. All but three of the 315 passengers and crew survived. More than 200 were injured.

In February 1998, a China Airlines Airbus carrying holidaymakers back from Bali crashed and disintegrated at Taipei airport, killing 196 aboard and seven on the ground.

That disaster followed an April 1994 crash in Nagoya, Japan, when a China Airlines Airbus A300-600R stalled during landing. Only seven of the 271 passengers and crew survived.

One Taiwan man traveling through Hong Kong airport said he had switched airlines after hearing of the crash.

"Would you dare fly? You would not. I have already switched to Cathay Pacific," he said.

CHINA OFFERS HELP

Norman Lo, acting head of civil aviation in Hong Kong, said Hong Kong had dispatched a helicopter and plane to take part in search efforts but the aircraft turned back once they heard Taiwan rescuers had started finding wreckage.

China's top negotiator with Taiwan extended his deep condolences.

Wang Daohan, president of the Association for Relations across the Taiwan Straits (ARATS), said he sympathized with the families of victims of the crash which caused "enormous loss of life and property to Taiwan compatriots," Xinhua reported.

Nine of the passengers were from the mainland, Xinhua said.

An ARATS official told Reuters that China's maritime rescue center had offered to aid the search and rescue mission in waters some 95 miles off the coast of Fujian province.

"For now, they don't need assistance," said the official who gave her surname as Zhang.

"But they said if the Chinese side finds anything related to the crash, they want to be informed."

Taiwan and China have been at odds since Nationalist forces took refuge on the island at the end of the 1949 civil war. The mainland views Taiwan as a breakaway province and has vowed to attack the island if it declares statehood.

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MsDuong
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to China Airlines Crash, posted by outwest77 on May 25, 2002

and landed in Taiwan. I did not like the experience only because I thought they were very rude.
I did do a little research on that airline before I flew but I did not realize their record for crashes. I won't fly with them next time. But I had already made my mind up before this bit of news.

BTW--I'll let you all know what is going on later. Kind of hectic right now. Thai is in Cali right now attending a short school--2 months. Yup, I'm all alone again...let you know more when I have more time.

Howard. Sorry to hear the news--it must be very hard. There is an old vietnamese saying--"After the rain,  it shines"
Keep your chin up and Goo"d" luck!!

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shadow
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: I Flew China Airlines, posted by MsDuong on May 26, 2002

after it rains, it POURS!

Larry.

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Kreeger
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to China Airlines Crash, posted by outwest77 on May 25, 2002

Sad. Very sad... but what is even more sad is their record for air disasters.

Earlier this month I traveled to Bislig from Atlanta to see my dear Lyn. I took PAL all the way. On the way back, the flight from Davao to Manila was delayed and I subsequently missed all my connecting flights to the US. There were 2 other Americans on that flight with me and they were furious and complained that they would never use PAL again and threatened to use China AL or Cathay. BUT... Pal came through and booked us all through our final destinations the next day. For the stayover in Manila, they booked us all at the Sheraton (normally $200US/night) with free meals and transportation.

To make the story short, I have used PAL and Northwest before. NW was a terrible experience, but PAL was very enjoyable. If you spend 12-14 hours in the air, the treatment that you recieve from the attendants makes a HUGE difference, and the difference can be see between the Filipinas on PAL and the Americans on NW. Anyways, I have never considered China AL and I am glad I haven't.

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The Walker
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: China Airlines Crash, posted by Kreeger on May 26, 2002

If you can afford it, try Singapore Airlines (SAL). I have flown their first-class and found it to be the best in the air to date. From all accounts, their business class and regular seats also get proportionately better treatment than you get on other airlines of equal class.

I have flown their 747-400 and their 777 upclass. Both of them were superbly appointed for commercial airlines. The FAs were not only attractive, but intelligent and dilligent in their desire to make your flight a great one. English is a required language for them so you'll have no problemsm communicating when you say "shaken, not stirred".

Northwest sucks in the service department, employing radical feminists and militant gay men, it seems, as FAs. If you want to be treated just like you were at home (two weeks before the divorce, that is) fly Northwest. Most American flagged airlines that have unionized FAs have forgotten that the FA, especially in first class, is to make you comfortable and happy. Male or female, they are there to serve, that's what that high premium on your ticket is for, to ensure good service. Sadly, it is hard to find these days. Japan Airlines, Singapore Airlines and Quantas seem to have remembered this little fact. The best of a poor lot in American flagged airlines is Delta, but it is a poor, last-best. I have not tried Southwest Airlines. Since they started as a commuter service I don't even know if they have a lux class of any type. Someone please enlighten me, a frequent flier that uses Southwest.

-Don

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Nathan
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: China Airlines Crash, posted by The Walker on May 26, 2002

Don,

  You sure are right about Northwest. Anyone who thinks Northwest Airines is even remotely interested in good service has never flown Singapore Airlines or my personal favorite for absolutely fine service is JAL ...Japan Airlines.Cathay Pacific is also pretty good.
  Your one about NWA FAs treating you just like a man was treated  two weeks before the divorce is right on target. There are accidentally a few good ones on NWA, but most are
rude unionized wenches..."FLy NWA and enjoy fine service by
burned out truck stop waitresses of the sky"
  Actually. you mention SWA- they only offer one class- commuter class. Most of their flights are not so long...apart from their limited seating options, what they do they do well...they get you there on time and most of the
FAs are helpful and actually seem to like their job.
I have flown between Portland and Phoenix quite a lot, usually on SWA. I made the mistake of flying Delta (coach)
and they were horrible. The ticket agents were rude as well as the FA s. I complained to the pilot who in fact agreed with me and said he was looking for a job with another airline!

My two cents worth...

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The Walker
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to airlines, posted by Nathan on May 26, 2002

As I mentioned, SAL is my favorite with JAL a close second, and Quantas in third. I thought SW was strictly a commuter-type airline. But I hadn't flown them and couldn't say for sure. Another airline with great service is Air France, or was. I've only flown them once in the last several years. It is a pity that Swissair is gone. They had good service and very well maintained aircraft.

But still, I rank long distance carriers (the ones where FAs are very important) as SAL, then JAL, then Quantas. I don't fly Cathay as I don't like their maintenance record.

-Don

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