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Author Topic: Support for the Ukraine people  (Read 13679 times)
Jack
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« on: November 27, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

It is very heart warming to see what the Ukraine people are doing.
For the last 6 days hundreds of thousands of people have peacefully protested the results of the election. The people of Ukraine know the election was rigged. The Ukraine people know that a great majority (if the truth ever be known probably over 60% of the people) voted for Viktor Yushchenko (Yu). The people of Ukraine know that President Kuchma and his hand picked successor, Viktor Yankukovych (Ya) are trying to steal the election. If the percentage of people who voted for Yu were not as overwhelming as it was, Kuchma and Ya would probably have already stolen the election. But because of the overwhelming defeat of Ya at the polls, Kuchma and Ya are experiencing something they did not expect.

I watch the Webcam over-looking Independence Square hours each day. It is amazing seeing the many thousands of people who are standing in the center. Everyday their are many thousands of people standing in front of the Verkhovna Rada (Parliament), thousands of people standing in front of the Presidential Palace, thousands of people standing in front of the Cabinet building and of course the many thousands of people standing on Khershatyk and Independence Square.

I am in daily contact many times with my Kiev associates and friends. When I hear of what the many thousands of people are doing and have done for six straight days now I am very proud of these people. The reports I was getting back on Wednesday was that many of the protestors were getting tired, were getting hungry. Many people living in Kiev are sending food to the people in the center but it's not enough. The highest number of protestors at any one time was estimated to be 500,000. A few times their has been 200,000 to 300,000 people in the center. Their has not been in auto traffic on Khershaytk Street for a week now. Instead tents have been built on and near Khershatyk Street and Independence Square. As I am unable to be in Ukraine at this particular time in Ukraine's proud history, I knew I had to do something. On Wednesday, the day before our Thanksgiving, I sent $100 to one of my associates in Kiev and asked him to use this money for food, coffee, bottled water, blankets, whatever he thought the people needed most. On Thursday he took $100 worth of bread, cheese, meats, coffee and juice to the center and the food was passed out. In a very peaceful manner the people took this food and drinks and shared with all those around them. The people thanked him greatly and as he told me, he felt like a million dollars as tears came to his eyes.

I am going to be sending some more funds to Kiev starting on Monday. If anyone would like to contribute anything I would be more than happy to send your contributions to Kiev. A personal check received on Tuesday would have funds in Kiev by Thursday morning. With any contribution of $50 or more we are going to make a sign with that persons name on it and hold the sign in front of the people receiving the food, drinks, blankets, whatever was bought with his contribution, and the sign will say something like (or whatever that contributor would like to say) " We support the people of Ukraine,  John Smith" (of course we will put the contributors name). Photos will be taken of the Ukraine people as they receive the individuals contribution and we will send these photos to the contributor. This was the best thing I could think of that I could do personally to support the many thousands of people standing in the cold daily in the center of Kiev.

If anyone has any questions or would like to contribute please e-mail me at nunya@ix.netcom.com

Jack

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wsbill
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Support for the Ukraine people, posted by Jack on Nov 27, 2004

Or the President...  Hey, folks imagine if Bush really gave $10,000 or $500.   That'd be some cheap advertising and don't you know the competition would want to get in on this as well.

How much do meals cost in Kiev ?

Why don't you contact a resturant and have them operate like a chow hall like setting.  Instead of single meal at a time.  They gotta have catering firms in Kiev, right ?

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JohnL
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Support for the Ukraine people, posted by Jack on Nov 27, 2004

[This message has been edited by JohnL]

........ CONFUSED now JB !!!!   LOL  :-)

"But because of the overwhelming defeat of Ya at the polls, Kuchma and Ya are experiencing something they did not expect".

What hope do Ukranians have !

:-)

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LP
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Support for the Ukraine people, posted by Jack on Nov 27, 2004

[This message has been edited by LP]

...story from my contacts. Nice to see them being peaceful and tolerant. It's a far cry from how Americans would behave in a similiar situation eh? No booze allowed on Yush's side either, who would have thunk that?

Cash for complete strangers in a foreign country? Uh, why? Just because of the MOB connection? No offense JB but that's powerful queer behavior if you ask me. Seriously, that's a real odd idea. What's the rational behind it? Not enough needy folks in the US? Lol, I'll go stand in front of the White House and freeze my azz off if you'll send me money. Ah well, I've given up on figuring MOB people out. Do me a favor and post the total you collect, I'z jist gots to know...

The other thing I don't get is this statement: "But because of the overwhelming defeat of Ya at the polls, Kuchma and Ya are experiencing something they did not expect". Huh? The polls say Ya won, thats the cause of the entire beef. The exit polls were considered meaningless, as they should have been.

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Jack
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to I hear the same , posted by LP on Nov 27, 2004

Cash for complete strangers in a foreign country?

No LP, food, juice, coffee for complete strangers. No money is being sent to complete strangers.

And just because of the MOB connection you say LP?  No LP, because of my love for the country and it's people and because I can't be there right now to show my support. This is one thing I, and others, can do.

What do you not understand about my statement "But because of the overwhelming defeat of Ya at the polls, Kuchma and Ya are experiencing something they did not expect".  It's simple LP, I believe that Yu won by probably 60%. You believe that Ya won, even if it was only by a 51% margin. We just disagree here LP. I think you blew this one baby, I think your not even close if you think Ya won this election outright.


LP I have saved your words from an earlier post.........They're emotional yes, but they tend to be all smoke and no fire because they're not well organized. In time all this will fade away and it'll be back to life as before.

I am hoping like hell your wrong on this one LP and that the will of the people will over come the out right attempt by Kuchma and Ya to steal this election.

And your words...... It's why the guy got a majority in the first place. You can't rig 50% of the population you know, you simply have to chock it up to ignorance and fear.

Again, I am quite sure you are wrong. I don't think Kuchma and Ya got anywhere near 50%, but I think Yu did.

Ok LP, maybe Frank and I are wrong. But if we are, we aren't the only ones. You don't think the election was rigged? Read a little of this below, and I could have included quite a lot more for you but thought this should be enough for even you to see "Where there is smoke, there is fire".  All these little (and big) things begin to add up LP.

From the World News

PARLIAMENT DECLARES UKRAINIAN ELECTION INVALID
28.11.2004. 10:29:33


Ukraine's parliament has declared the country's disputed presidential election invalid, stoking the political tug-of-war between the West and Moscow over the future of the former Soviet republic.

Following international calls for a new poll, the Elections Commission chief said he would not oppose it.

The parliamentary vote was symbolic, however, and has no legal standing.

It came as representatives of the two presidential rivals sought a solution in talks mediated by European envoys.

Meanwhile, demonstrators jammed central Kiev in freezing weather for a sixth consecutive day.

They claim the November 21 vote was rigged and that their candidate, Viktor Yushchenko, was robbed of victory.

Thousands of demonstrators joined Yushchenko in demanding a new vote.

A European Union envoy, Dutch Foreign Minister Ben Bot, said new elections would be the "ideal outcome" for the standoff between Yushchenko and Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, who was declared the winner by the Elections Commission.


SOURCE: World News

From Maidan-INFORM

28-11-2004 10:00 Maidan-INFORM
Constitutional and Legal Analysis of the Political Situation in Ukraine On the 25 November 2004

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We, the undersigned – the professional experts in the field of Ukrainian Constitutional Law and other fields of law - declare that our constitutional and legal analysis of the political situation in Ukraine after the 2004 presidential election has been finished and its results has been officially announced comes to the following conclusions:

1. Most stages of the election process were accompanied by rude violations and blunt abuse of the fundamental constitutional principles in the application of election law, which are provided for in Article 71 of the Ukraine’s Constitution, and principles of election law, provided for in Articles 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 11, 13 of the Ukraine’s Law on Election of the President of Ukraine.

First, the stage of compiling voter lists was accompanied by numerous mistakes in spelling of full names, dates of birth, omissions of names of many voters, who are legal residents within the limits of their precincts, as well as presence in the lists of those citizens, who died or left their precincts. As a result, tens of thousands of Ukrainian citizens, who have right to vote, were prevented from affecting their constitutional right to freely elect the President of Ukraine. Unusually high number of such mistakes, comparing to those at the previous presidential elections and the latest parliamentary election, during which those mistakes were extremely rare, convincingly evidences about the rude violation of the fundamental principle of the election process – the universal suffrage.

Second, during the stage of election campaigning, there was open abuse of the constitutional principles of equal suffrage and free election, provided for in Article 71 of the Ukraine’s Constitution and Articles 3 and 6 of the Ukraine’s Law on Election of the President of Ukraine, as well as principles of lawfulness and prohibition of anyone’s unlawful intrusion in the election process; equality of all presidential candidates; freedom of election campaigning, equal opportunities for all presidential candidates in their access to the mass media; unbiased attitude toward the presidential candidates on the part of the central and local governmental agencies, businesses, offices and organizations, their top managers, other officials, which is provided for in Article 11 of the Ukraine’s Law on Election of the President of Ukraine.

There is convincing evidence of mass violations by all national audio and visual mass media of the fundamental principles of information activity: guarantee of the right to information; openness of, access to information, and freedom of its exchange; objectivity, plausibility of information; completeness and accuracy of information, which are provided for in Article 5 of the Ukraine’s Law on Information.

The presidential candidate opposing to the current authorities was practically in the informational blockade arranged by the state. He was not only deprived of the opportunity to present basic points of his election program, but he was also deprived of the right to openly disprove the false information spread by any national audio or visual mass media. Moreover, during the election process, court rulings were not executed, according to which the courts obliged specific TV channels to provide live broadcast for the presidential candidate to disprove false and openly insulting information about him. In the same time, other presidential candidate, who represented the current authorities, enjoyed a most favorable regime in all national and regional mass media. As a result, voters were not provided with the conditions conducive to their free forming of their future vote.

Besides, despite the direct legislative prohibition of election campaigning in support of one of the presidential candidates, overwhelming majority of top managers and other officials of central and local governmental agencies, top managers of businesses and offices partly owned by the state, openly took part in the election campaigning, thereby openly violating the principle of objectivity toward the presidential candidates on the part of executive power, local governmental agencies, businesses, offices, and organizations, their managers and other officials.

Third, during the stage of voting, there were mass violations of principles of citizens’ free-will participation in elections, individual and secret vote. The prime evidence of it are the facts of organized mass voting off the precincts to which voters were registered, thereby the corresponding norm of the Ukraine’s Law on Election of the President of Ukraine was compromised. We consider that the voting off the registered precincts by organized groups of voters is a direct evidence of open abuse of the law. The prearranged movements of great numbers of voters were caused not by an objective need of those people to leave their places of permanent residence, but by will of the organizers of those movements. Therefore, we consider that this right was used not in order to provide for subjective voting right, but as a way to influence the free will of certain groups of voters, and, as a result, in order to compromise the actual will of citizens during the election.

Besides, the mass violations of principles of free elections, secret direct vote, publicity and openness of the election process are evidenced by the facts of arbitrary and unlawful deprivation of right to be present at a polling station during the vote and during the vote count to members of the mass media, official observers of one of the presidential candidates, official observers from international organizations. The official observers in the Kharkiv Region, the Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group, possess the documented evidence of the above.

2. The Ukraine’s Law on Election of the President of Ukraine directly prohibits election campaigning by means of providing voters with money, goods, services, or help for free or on favorable terms, etc. Meanwhile, one of the presidential candidates, who held a position of Ukraine’s Prime Minister, used as one of the methods of his election campaigning the increase in social cash payoffs – pensions, scholarships, individual social benefits – at the expense of the state. To that measure, as to an advantage of this presidential candidate’s election program, managers of the current Prime Minister’ election campaign drove the primary attention.

We consider that, although these actions are not directly prohibited by the Ukraine’s Constitution and Law on Election of the President of Ukraine, they undoubtedly contradict the spirit of the Law and international standards of free and democratic elections, as they rudely violate principles of free elections and equal suffrage. Moreover, those cash payoffs were not included in the Ukraine’s Law on State Budget for 2004, therefore that decision on the part of the Ukraine’s Cabinet of Ministers was motivated solely by politics. Neither presidential candidate is entitled to use state funds for his own election campaigning.

3. According to generally accepted international standards of democracy, its substance is constituted by the close adherence to legal procedure. Democracy is a complete certainty of the procedure along with the uncertainty of the results. Therefore, the mass violations of democratic principles during the preparation and conduct of the 2004 Ukraine’s presidential election almost completely deprive their outcome from their legal content. Simply speaking, elections with substantial violations of the required legal procedure cannot be considered elections as such.

In the view of the aforesaid, we consider that the mass violations of the fundamental principles of election process during the Ukraine’s presidential election make it impossible to establish an outcome of the actual will of Ukraine’s citizens. It violates fundamental Article 5 of the Ukraine’s constitution, according to which “the people is an undertaker of the sovereignty and source of the power in Ukraine,” and Article 3, according to which “rights and freedoms and their guarantees define the content and direction of the state’s activity.”

Therefore, we consider that the Supreme Court of Ukraine has a necessary legal basis to declare the decision on validation of the run-off election results made by the Central Election Commission of Ukraine (CVK) unlawful, cancel it, oblige the CVK to make a new decision according to the Ukraine’s Law on the Central Election Commission and Law on the Election of President of Ukraine, and declare invalid the voting results at those polling stations throughout Ukraine, where the mass violations of the fundamental principles of election law have been recorded.

Yuriy Baulin, Doctor of Law Sciences
Viktor Kolisnik, Doctor of Law Sciences
Volodymyr Bogutsky, Candidate of Law Sciences
Fedir Venislavskiy, Candidate of Law Sciences
Viktor Kichun, Candidate of Law Sciences
Oleksandr Kushnirenko, Candidate of Law Sciences
Boris Olkhovskiy, Candidate of Law Sciences
Stanislav Pogrebnyak, Candidate of Law Sciences
Vsevolod Rechitskiy, Candidate of Law Sciences
Mykhaylo Sibilyov, Candidate of Law Sciences
Tetyana Slinko, Candidate of Law Sciences
Yuriy Tkachenko, Candidate of Law Sciences
Robert Khorolskiy, Candidate of Law Sciences
Olena Shostko, Candidate of Law Sciences

This constitutional and legal analysis is open for signing by other experts in the field of law also.

source: www.khpg.org


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From Channel 5

Results of the Russian exit poll – fake
18.11.2004 22:08:46

“The exit poll conducted in the first tour by the Russian foundation “Obshchestvennoye Mnienie”, commissioned by Gleb Pavlovsky and publicized by the “Russian Club” (in Kyiv) turned out to be a fake”, proclaimed Vice Director of the National Institute of Strategic Research Oleksandr Vyshniak. “Polls by “Socis”, “Social monitoring” and Ukrainian Institute of Social Research were paid for a pre-planned result”. Yushchenko’s real result was 43.5% as against the Russian bribed result of 38%.


From "Center 'President’s Day 2004'

Final Results of National Exit Poll
22.11.2004 00:06

According to the final results of the National Exit Poll, 54% of the voters voted for Victor Yushchenko and 43%, for Victor Yanukovich.

The total number of 30 thousand respondents was interviewed. The poll was conducted by KIIS and Razumkov Center. According to the scientific leader of 'Democratic Initiatives' Foundation Irina Bekeshina, the outcome presented by both companies deviates by only 1% for one of the candidates. 3% of voters voted against all. 27% of respondents refused to answer. Admissible error is 2%.

Source: Information Center 'President’s Day 2004'


(Reuters)

"There's just a lot of allegations of vote fraud that placed their election -- the validity of their elections -- in doubt," Bush told reporters during an outing on his Thanksgiving vacation at his Texas ranch.

Earlier this week, Secretary of State Colin Powell said the election fell far short of international standards and warned of possible consequences if Ukraine did not address the situation.

WASHINGTON  - Sen. Richard Lugar, a U.S. monitor of the contested Ukrainian presidential election, urged on Sunday a new round of voting without absentee balloting, where he said much of the fraud took place.

The office of U.S. Senator Lugar, the head of the U.S. Senate foreign Relations Committee, released a statement yesterday criticizing the vote.

``It is now apparent that there has been a concerted and forceful program of election-day fraud and abuse enacted with the leadership of cooperation of authorities.'' Lugar said according to the statement.
Lugar, who monitored the Ukraine election as a representative of President Bush, has accused the authorities of "concerted and forceful" fraud. "The international observers ... detailed point by point all of the absentee fraud. And so Yanukovich did not win the election," Lugar said.

NewsMax Wires

Kuchma, who met with the two men who both claim to have won the election to succeed him, said a multilateral working group had been established to find a solution to the dispute that has brought hundreds of thousands of supporters of losing candidate Viktor Yushchenko into the streets to protest what they and Western nations have called seriously flawed balloting.

He did not give details of what was discussed, but a source close to the talks said the prospect of conducting a rerun of Sunday's election was one of the key issues on the table.

KIEV, Ukraine - Ukraine's Supreme Court gave the political opposition some breathing room Thursday, ruling that the results of a presidential election are not official until it hears an appeal from a Western-leaning candidate who says it was stolen from him.


Although Yanukovych had widespread official backing, including that of outgoing President Leonid Kuchma, the Supreme Court is respected as an unbiased body. The court's decision boosted Yushchenko's supporters, who have flooded the streets of Kiev since the Sunday run-off.

Western observers have denounced the vote as fraudulent, citing voter intimidation, multiple voting and other irregularities. The United States and the European Union said they couldn't accept the results as legitimate and warned the Ukrainian government of "consequences" in relations with the West.

On Friday, Moldova said it does not recognize the results of the election in Ukraine, putting the former Soviet republic at odds with Putin.

"Moldova expresses concern about the non-transparency of the voting process," Moldova's Foreign Ministry said. It said the "fundamental principles of democracy are distorted in Ukraine."

Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan of Canada said her government did not accept that the announced results "reflect the true democratic will of the Ukrainian people."

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso warned of "consequences" for the European Union's political and trade relations with Ukraine if its government does not allow a "serious, objective review" of the election. At risk might be around $1.31 billion the bloc has given or committed to Ukraine since 1991 in development and economic aid and possible visa bans.

Lech Walesa, the founder of Poland's Solidarity movement, will travel to Ukraine to act as a mediator in the standoff over the disputed presidential elections there, his son told The Associated Press.

In addition, the Netherlands planned to send a special envoy, Niek Biegman, to Ukraine as part of its role as current holder of the European Union's rotating presidency.

Kiev's city council and the administrations of four other sizable cities - Lviv, Ternopil, Vinnytsia and Ivano-Frankivsk - have refused to recognize a Yanukovych victory.

Western election observers, citing abuses in favor of Yanukovych, said the vote was seriously flawed and did not meet democratic standards. Exit polls showed a victory for Yushchenko, a pro-Western reformer.

Russian President Vladimir Putin told reporters in Lisbon, Portugal, that he had congratulated Yanukovych "on the basis of the results of exit polls" indicating that the Ukrainian prime minister had won. He did not, however, note that other exit polls showed that the prime minister's challenger, opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko, had won Sunday's run-off vote.

Some 191 lawmakers had gathered for the special session to consider an opposition request to vote no-confidence in the Central Election Commission and declare the official results of Sunday's run-off election between Yushchenko and Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych invalid.

Yushchenko had claimed victory in the runoff, even though the commission declared Yanukovych the winner. The opposition has said the election was rigged.

From Dick Morris.

Would-be Czar Vladimir Putin has taken a giant step toward reasserting the regional hegemony of the former Soviet Union by stealing the election in the Ukraine right under our noses.

As an unpaid, volunteer adviser to Viktor Yushchenko, the democratic candidate for president, I have seen, first hand, how Viktor Yanukovich, the Putin candidate backed by a rogue coalition of Russian Mafia, oil barons, former KGB officials and Communists, stole the election and thwarted the obvious will of the voters.


But the people of the Ukraine don’t want Russian domination. The election contest pitted Viktor Yushchenko, who got the virtually solid support of the 60 percent of the population that is Ukrainian by ethnicity against Yanukovich, who won equally united backing from the 40 percent that is ethnically Russian.

The result was obvious: Exit polls (more accurate in Ukraine than when our own TV networks do them) showed Yushchenko winning by more than 10 points. But the final results announced by the government, which supported Yanukovich, showed a small margin in favor of the Russian-backed candidate.

Putin regarded the contest as so important that he personally visited the Ukraine in the weeks before the election to campaign for his candidate, a clear violation of the most elementary standards of independence and protocol. His former KGB henchmen – and once and future Communists – combined with Russian organized crime figures and oil barons to pump money into the race and to intimidate voters on the ground.

Yushchenko, a pro-Western former prime minister, survived two assassination attempts to make the race. At the start of the contest, he was run off the road while driving in the Ukraine. When he walked away from the wreck, the opposition poisoned him. Hospitalized in Vienna, his doctors diagnosed the poison, which mimicked a stroke in its symptoms, and nursed him to a full recovery.

If they couldn’t commit murder, Putin’s boys decided to commit larceny and did all they could to stack the election. Their totally controlled print and television media – all the information outlets in the nation – refused to give any favorable coverage to Yushchenko and biased all their news toward Yanukovich. We couldn’t even buy advertising space in any mass media outlet.

But, undaunted, Yushchenko’s supporters got their message out by hand, ditributing leaflets and flyers to every single household in the nation several times each week.

When, finally, the forces of freedom won the election, Putin’s operatives rigged the count and released totally phony results showing their stooge to be the winner.

From the Independant On-Line Edition November 23.

With more than 99 per cent of precincts counted, Mr Yanukovych had 49.42 per cent to 46.70 per cent. Yet several exit polls had found Mr Yushchenko the winner, one by a margin of 11 per cent. Observers with the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe said cases of voting fraud included people apparently voting several times and voters being forced to turn over their absentee ballots to state employers.

The observers rated the voting as more flawed than the 31 October first round. "The abuse of state resources in favour of the Prime Minister continued, as well as an overwhelming media bias in his favour," Bruce George, the mission leader, said. In contrast, Vladimir Rushailo, the Russian head of an observer mission, declared voting "transparent, legitimate and free".

From Maidan-INFORM

added: 27-11-2004 17:04
Ukrayinska Pravda: How Yanukovych Rigged the Elections. Intercepted Telephone Conversations of His Staff


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This is translation of the article "ßê ßíóêîâè÷ ôàëüñèô³êóâàâ âèáîðè. Ïåðåõîïëåí³ òåëåôîíí³ ðîçìîâè øòàáó" (in Ukrainian)

High-ranking law-enforcement officers of Ukraine handed over some files to Yuschenko staff. The files contained audio recordings and transcripts of conversations between Yanukovych’s shadow campaign staffers.

The data provide evidence that Yanukovych team tightly controlled the voting and counting processes during both rounds of presidential elections.

Yanukovych team has reached the needed results as it planned through manipulations of absentee ballots, voting at polling stations with restricted access, and mobile voting at voters’ residences.

The exact numbers of absentee ballots, mobile voting and rigged votes obtained by other manipulation methods were compared against exit-poll data. It enabled the Yanukovych team to plot the required results with the maximum precision up to the hundredth point of a percent!

Below are the transcripts of only three conversations, which took place during the second round of elections. They are provided in their original language (Russian.) Yuschenko campaign headquarters pledge to have the audio files of those conversations made available to the media shortly.

November 21, 2004. 16:59.

Levenets: (Yanukovych’s political consultant): How are the things going out there?

Unidentified: We have the data for 14:30 so far. At this time we are loosing 1.46.

Levenets: Is this for the entire area?

Unidentified: We have polled 6,700, that is 60% of our sample. As I understand, the dynamic will start going in our favor. It’s because all that countryside has voted. We will be gaining.

Levenets: When will the tentative data be available?

Unidentified: After seven. We agreed that at this time we would be making it up to six.

Levenets: At six we will need to come out already with the surplus. I understand you are staying in touch with Edik, aren’t you?

Unidentified: Yes, I am. By what time do we need to come out?

Levenets: At 18:00 the preliminary data has to show the surplus.

Unidentified: We have agreed with him, that I would give him the real results, he gives out the parameters, and about half an hour would be needed. No, wait. We’re only finishing at 18:00. Within 19:00 or so. After 19.00 I will give the real results. We are shaking down the parameters and reaching the required parameters for all oblasts.

Levenets: Good.


November 21, 2004. 19:05

Levenets: Greetings! So, how are the things going out there?

Valery: Not too good. We are in the minus.

Levenets: What do you mean by that?

Valery: The opponent has 48.37, and we have 47.64.

Levenets: This is by 18:00.

Valery: We have agreed to a difference of 3-3.5 percent in our favor. Right now there is a distribution table by oblasts. In about 15-20 minutes we will be ready to fax it.

Levenets: How many are polled by 18:00?

Valery: 10612.

Levenets: Are those the "real" ones?

Valery: Yes, they are. Should we upload this data on the site? Or should we give it to the Interfax? So that we don’t pop up on the television.

Levenets: You call Prutnik. He is in charge of those questions.

Valery: I think the executive measures should be stepped up to avoid any possible problems.

Levenets: I understand. All right, over and out.


November 21, 2004. 19:34.

An unidentified person tells Serhiy Kluyev (a brother of Andriy Kluyev, chief of Yanukovych’s shadow campaign staff) about "raising 30 % within one hour at the KPI [Kyiv Polytechnics Institute]."

Unidentified: They began kicking out students in slippers, professors stood up at the gate - "no entry for strangers!”

Kluyev: Let’s hurl our support team down there.

Unidentified: It’s already done.

Kluyev: Then let’s arrange a fistfight there, or something else.

Unidentified: It’s been already arranged.


November 22, 2004. 05:30

Levenets: How’s everything there? What is it? The city of Kyiv is rising up?

Unidentified: I have the following situation down here: in the process, roughly speaking, I gained 18.2 percent for our candidate and Yuschenko got 76.

Levenets: Have you counted them all?

Unidentified: Counted them all, and I’ve got the following actions...

Levenets: Did you take hold of all the protocols?

Unidentified: I did take hold of them all. And the CEC, under my orders, has put aside seven protocols. Right now I need to know whether to fail them or not.

Levenets: And do you have any basis for failing them?

Unidentified: Yes, I do.

Levenets: Then, what seems to be the problem?

Unidentified: The indicators will decrease, but the balance will be negative, of course.

Ëåâåíåöü: To hell with the indicators. The balance will be better.

Unidentified: Certainly.

Levenets: Well, no question. Do it!

Unidentified: Understood. I will try it right now.

Levenets: No problem. We are having a surplus. You are escalating our balance, and our lead just grows bigger.


These are only a few excerpts from the recorded conversations kindly provided to Yuschenko representatives. Overall, the Yuschenko staff has in their possession the documented evidence of conversations between Yanukovych staffers from October 30 up to this morning.

The recordings contain voices of Medvedchuk, Kivalov, the Kluyev brothers, Tsaryov, Lyovochkin, and Prutnik.

Oleh Rybachuk, head of Viktor Yuschenko’s office, stated that the conversations would be made public soon. In addition, the Yuschenko’s office is working on submitting them to international institutions, foreign embassies, as well as NGOs.

Mr. Rybachuk, also a Member of Ukraine’s Parliament, stated that he was in the process of making inquiries to the Prosecutor General’s Office and the Security Service of Ukraine demanding to explain, disprove or confirm the factual validity of the data.

Mr. Rybachuk emphasized, that the person who handed over the data to Yuschenko representatives was at a safe undisclosed location. That person is prepared to testify in the court of law to verify under oath the truthfulness of the recordings.


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Law-enforcement bodies of Kharkiv region: Statement


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To the Speaker of Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine
V. M. Lytvyn

Statement of the staff of law-enforcement bodies of Kharkiv region

Dear Volodymyr Mykhaylovych,

Our duty and our conscious obliges us to address You as a representative of Supreme legislative power of Ukraine and demand that you interfere with the situation in our region on behalf of the Ukrainian nation.

1. Into Kharkiv region were brought 50% more bulletins than the whole quantity of voters of the region.

On October 30 before the elections in the executive committee of the city of Lozovaya of Kharkiv region a sealed room was unearthed in which were kept unaccounted bulletins filled in beforehand for the candidate for the post of President of Ukraine V. F. Yanukovych. This room was sealed with the seal of the executive committee and was guarded by policemen. The staff of the executive committee rejected demands of the community representatives to open the room. Eventually these bulletins were delivered to local voting commissions and were counted in during the process of calculating the election results.

In this episode the most active part was performed by: the first vice-chief of Administration of Ministry of Internal Affairs (AMIA) in Kharkiv region Z. S. Galavan and vice-chief of AMIA N. M. Khalin, the main orders were given by the chief of Kharkiv region State administration E. P. Kushnarev.

2. In passport offices forms # 1 are kept that contain personal information of every voter and lists of voters prepared by this offices were sent to the Territorial Election Commissions (TEC) and eventually were corrupted. The corruptions were made by concrete members of TEC. Tell us please, who could give such an order to the members of TEC? Who could order to publish more bulletins? Only Central Election Commission with S. Kivalov in the head.

Actually a number of crimes were committed to fake the elections results. The faking mechanism was as follows – when a mismatch was found in a record concerning a voter in the list of voters, additional lists were made where records matched data of the passport offices. But the wrong “voters” were not excluded from the main lists. Thus there were “extra” people voting for V. F. Yanukovych. Surplus of brought in bulletins let do it.

3. A huge number cadets from the University of Internal Affairs (the president of board of directors is A. M. Bandurka) was sent to the regions of Western Ukraine, each of whom had no less than 10 absentee ballots. The transportation and food costs were compensated for each cadet and a guarantee was given to them that they will “pass” the examinations without efforts. We are shocked by cynical attitude of people’s deputy A.M. Bandurka true werewolf with epaulets towards the President of Ukraine election process.

4. In the city of Dergachy in Kharikiv region, the election division of A. M. Bandurka, a local congress was gathered at which Bandurka demanded that voters vote only for V. Yanukovych, otherwise they will have neither electricity nor gas. A.M. Bandurka is capable to fulfill his threats.


5. During voting in mental hospitals and old peoples’ homes the bulletins were filled in by the members of voting commissions or medicals, who were given instructions to vote for their candidate - V. Yanukovych.

6. Right before the elections the chief of Kharkiv region State administration E. P Kushnarev gathered the chiefs of administrations of the city districts, Security Service staff and announced that if V. F.Yanukovych gets less than 60% at their territory the present chiefs are not expected at their offices the next day after the elections.


Now we consider necessary to explain the part performed by Kharkiv law-enforcement bodies during the elections:

1. According to the orders of the head of AMIA in Kharkiv region C.F.Denysyuk a group of policemen was created at basis of AMIA to prevent the election campaign of Viktor Yuschenko. The group was ordered to destroy agitation materials in stores, in cars, in publishing houses. Members of this group crashed cars near “Myr” hotel in the city of Kharkiv and also a number of cars in Kharkiv region that belonged to staff of Yuschenko’s office.

2. According to the orders of the head of AMIA an operation was performed resulting in putting an explosive devise into the car of the authorized representative of Viktor Yuschenko Y. P. Potykun by the staff of Administration of Work against Organized Crime. The explosive devise was taken away in presence of coroner’s jury. The coordinators of this provocation are the head of Administration of Work against Organized Crime Z. S. Galavan and his assistant I.I Chekotylo. As a result a criminal case was launched against an innocent citizen and order for arrest was issued. All this was performed to frighten the staff and supporters of V. Yuschenko. Where is our country if the law-enforcement authorities turned into “legal” armed gang?


3. Before voting the head of AMIA Denisyuk S.F. as well as the head of Kharkiv city police administration V.I. Dyatlov gathered the staff and in the form of order forced the police staff to vote for their candidate, with several previous convictions, V. F. Yanukovych, and forced the police staff to fill in forms with personal data, information about their relatives and no less than 15 people whom they promise to convict to vote for Yanukovych. All the forms were taken by the heads of divisions and collected in human resources departments.

4. At present in the city of Kharkiv a number of felonies are committed, among which an attack at cash messengers during which three people were murdered, car explosions etc. Despite the tasks of the law-enforcement bodies to protect the legal rights and interests of the citizens, the heads of AMIA were involved into political games. Instead of investigation of felonies the operating executives detected the dissidents with the help of the staff that was not investigating crimes but agitated for V.F. Yanukovych even by means of frightening the people.


5. During the election campaign the staff was informed not once that if they don’t vote for Yanukovych they will be fired immediately.

6. Also performing the orders of administration all operational executives organized financing of Yunukovych’s campaign and actually the operational executives were racketeering the commercial organizations; money were transferred to the funds “Law and Order”, “Shield”, “Guard”, “Slobozhanschyna”. These actions were made together with tax police.
7. We have data proving that before the elections were conducted people’s deputy V.L Shepetin organized and sent to Kyiv a group of criminals to carry out mass provocations under the guise of supporters of V. A. Yuschenko.

8. According to orders of the head of AMIA C.F.Denysyuk surveillance was established after the Verkhovna Rada deputies A. Matviyenko, V. Filenko, as well as after the heads of local offices, heads of region organizations of the opposition by the administration of criminal investigation which is performed up to now. Huge resources are taken from tax payers. What is the legal basis for prosecution of dissidents? What their actions according to what articles of criminal code demand such action?

Tell us please, Vladymyr Mykhaylovych, can we having this information name these elections “clear and honest” as observers of Union of Sovereign States claim? Actually the voters of Kharkiv region were not free to vote as it is guaranteed by the Constitution. What was the reason for Kushnaruk, Bandurka, Shepetin, Denysyuk and others to claim that “Kharkiv region is for Yanukovych”? Actually the Police was made a weapon to suppress citizens’ freedom to vote.

Unfortunately we can not openly declare our civil position at the moment without additional safety guarantees for our relatives as there is no democracy and law in Ukraine.

But at certain guarantees we are ready to confirm all the mentioned in any place in public.

Staff of the law-enforcement bodies of Kharkiv region.


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Company ‘Plasma’ simply ignores such institutions as Verkhovna Rada and Supreme Court.

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Big boards ‘Janukovich is a president of Ukraine’ hang around in Donetsk. Company “Plasma” simply ignores law.

A letter to Maidan from Donetsk: I was driving from student residences in direction of Krupska library on Artem str. and saw several ad boards with portraits of Janukovich and inscriptions “Janukovich is a president of Ukraine”. The boards belong to company “Plasma” (it was written on those boards), address: 83015 Donetsk, Myr Av. 13, Phone (062) 337-00-00. Employees of “Plasma” just accept neither the resolution of Supreme Court nor Verkhovna Rada, they do ignore Ukrainian Constitution. It's an evident crime.


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Journalist was brutally beaten in Kirovograd

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On the last Thursday the political analyst of a weekly journal "Ukraine-Center" (Kirovograd) Gennady Rybchenkov was brutally beaten. When it came back home from the "orange" meeting which was taking place in the central square of city in the evening, they was already waiting for him. Group of men with characteristic appearance (people of Kirovograd already named them goblins) first asked him is he Gennady Rybchenkov. Then they started to beat him severely. Thus the sign phrase has some times sounded: "now you will write only for Yanukovich!".

Gennady was able to inform colleagues about it only after 1,5 day.

Gennady Rybchenkov is known for the sharp publications not only in Kirovograd: his materials repeatedly appeared both in the central press and on many sites. The special irritation in supporters of the pro-regime candidate is caused with his uncompromising position concerning the roughest infringements of elective process in Kirovograd and, in particular, in 100-th electoral district.

It is already far from being the first case of an attack on journalists in Kirovograd. Recently goblins beated black and blue the journalist of a broadcasting company the "Stimul" relaying to "5 channel" Alexander Danutsa. Hardly earlier, some days prior to the second round of voting there was the attack on conducting journalists "U-C" Gennady Rybchenkov and Oksana Gutsaljuk was accomplished direct on the central square of the city. Also correspondent of local news agency Ruslan Hudojarov, which "have dared" to appear at a concert in support of Yanukovich with orange symbolics became their victim. The attack of ten goblins on journalists occured directly on eyes of militia men.

The situation with an encroachment for a life of journalists, similarly, has no sanction at a local level. All occurs with the connivance of law enforcement organs and even with participation of separate representatives of local authorities which, actually, and direct actions of goblins. The urgent help of colleagues from all Ukraine is necessary, differently death list of the Ukrainian journalists will soon be filled up with surnames of Kirovograd habitants...


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Lugansk Situation Intensifies

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On Sunday, November 28, even more people gathered for the protest. In connection with the concurrent meeting of Luzhkov, Yanukovych and Chernomyrdin in Severodonetsk, the park area previously used for protests was enclosed by police who admitted none. The protesters then gathered at the park's entrance. The representatives of Yanukovych's supporters quickly made their way to the scene. The main part of the meeting unfolded more or less quietly, but towards the end a group of strong-looking men forcefully pushed their way into the body of the protesters, splitting it into two parts and acting rudely. When Yushchenko's supporters did not react to this provocation, they decided to act themselves. Some drunkards savagely beat two people in the crowd, drawing blood. Everything happened quickly and these criminals disappeared in the crowd.

The commander of Lugansk city police, Mr. Korenev, was found near the police enclosure. He ignored the appeals of Yushchenko's party workers to at least separate the opponents and decided to leave the square right after the above-mentioned beatings. All his replies and actions were tinged with a high degree of cynicism and mockery. His actions consisted of nothing more than taking videos of Yushchenko supporters during the protest.

There are reports that the police of Lugansk no longer answers to Ukraine's Minister of Foreign Affairs. It is not known who they take their orders from.


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Yanukovich "supporters" had beaten people at orange meeting in Donetsk

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At 12.00 "orange" meeting should pass near a monument of Taras Shevchenko in Donetsk. Supportes of Yanukovich have gathered beforehand. When the meeting began, they started to provoke demonstrators, forced them to remove orange bands.

People have refused, and for it they was beaten. Among victims there were doctors, professors. Supportes of Yanukovich have taken away cameras, videocameras.

The militia refuses to accept the application for the event.


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Letter to Maidan: The time has come now!

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I want to tell you my story.
I live in the Democratic Republic of Cyprus. Actually, I was forced to live away from my country. I am originally from Donetsk. I was born there, got my degree. I used to be a member of the party of “Regions”. I asked for the refuge at Cyprus and left Ukraine 2.5 years ago.
The Parliament elections in 2002 in Donetsk were falsified, the same way the 2004 presidential elections were falsified. I not only witnessed it, I took a part in falsifications. I was pressured to do so. After the 2002 elections I realized the error of my ways and started fighting against my former “friends” from Ahmetov group. I wrote to opposition media and told about all the methods of falsifications and I showed proof. Unfortunately, I was quickly tracked down by Donetsk bandits. They beat me heavily on the stairs of my house and I spent 2 months in the hospital. The whole time I was getting threats from the Donetsk gangs and finally I decided to flee the country. I did not believe that it was possible to eradicate those disgusting thugs. It is not one person’s job.
The time has come now! Ukrainians do not lose your chance! Annihilate this gang! My heart and soul are with you, free Ukraine!
I am coming back home on December, 1.

Respectfully,
N.


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(Reuters)

Pro-Russia east of Ukraine threatens autonomy
Sun 28 November, 2004 20:23

By Richard Balmforth

KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine has edged a little closer towards a break-up as a powerful eastern region backing the Moscow-backed prime minister in a disputed election for president set a December referendum on autonomy.

The decision, at a rally near the Russian border on Sunday, raised the temperature in a national feud between backers of Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich and his liberal opposition rival Viktor Yushchenko over the results of a run-off election.

In Warsaw, Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski, a pivotal regional figure, said a break-up was a real threat. He said Yushchenko was likely to become next president.

Yanukovich attended the rally in Severodonetsk, but did not endorse the decision by delegates from Russian-speaking parts of the east and south for a December referendum "to determine the region's status."

Asked by Reuters whether he supported the idea, he replied: "No." But he said protests by pro-Yushchenko demonstrators paralysing the capital had pushed Ukraine to the edge of disaster.

"Today we are on the brink of catastrophe. There is one step to the edge," he declared, urging supporters not to take any radical action that would lead to bloodshed.

Independently of the decision in Severodonetsk, a separate body in Ukraine's east later set a December 5 referendum on forming a republic within a federal Ukrainian state.

The council in Donetsk region in the Donbass coalfield voted 156 to one to stage the vote. "We see no other way to defend the interests of Donbass," said council head Boris Kolesnikov.

In Kiev, Yushchenko, addressing supporters, accused authorities of playing "the dangerous card of separatism."

"Those who are calling for separatism are committing crimes and will definitely receive severe punishment," he declared.

The crisis has set Russia -- which has backed Yanukovich -- at odds with the West, which denounced the November 21 run-off as flawed by electoral irregularities.

MASS RALLIES

The spectre of break-up has been on the lips of Ukraine's leaders since the crisis erupted, underscoring the longstanding divide between the nationalist west, supporting Yushchenko, and the industrial Russian-speaking east solidly behind the premier.

Influential U.S. Senator Richard Lugar weighed in to the international debate on Ukraine. He said he favoured a re-run of the election, a line taken by Yushchenko and backed by the European Union.

As Ukraine seethed anew with mass street rallies by supporters from both camps, the outgoing president reported little progress behind the scenes to work out a compromise.

Yanukovich was officially declared winner of the run-off, triggering protests in Kiev and western parts by supporters of Yushchenko who says he was robbed of the election by cheating.

Passions rose after parliament, in a symbolic vote on Saturday, declared the election invalid, noting widespread fraud in the vote. Parliament cannot overturn the election result but it did boost Yushchenko's bid to force a fresh poll.

Ukraine's Supreme Court has also blocked Yanukovich's inauguration until it has considered a complaint by Yushchenko about alleged electoral irregularities.

"As I understand, the (working group) talks are going on with considerable difficulty. No one can say what sort of compromise can be found or whether one will be found at all," outgoing President Leonid Kuchma said.

"But I believe ... that a compromise is very necessary for Ukraine," he said.

Yushchenko, 50, has already said he stands for a new presidential vote on December 12. But Yanukovich, 54 and strongly backed by Russia, has yet to say whether he is ready for a re-run, as advocated by the European Union.

Lugar, a U.S. monitor of the election, urged a a new round of voting -- but without absentee balloting where he said much of the fraud took place. "I'd probably come out with the thought that the second election is the best idea but only if absentee balloting is eliminated," he told "Fox News Sunday".

Canadian Observer: Attempting to Steal Choice of Ukrainians
22.11.2004 14:40

Election process in Ukraine transformed into intimidation of voters, commission members and, what is even worse, of the international observers, Wrzesnewskyj Borys, Canadian MP, international observer during the Presidential election of Ukraine, told Media Center 'Candidate' today. Observers registered hundreds proofs of such intimidation, photos and video-records, Wrzesnewskyj announced. Borys Wrzesnewskyj served as an observer at the polling stations in Odesa, Mykolaiv, Kherson regions of Ukraine.

All violations and intimidations, the observer believes, reaches out to the CEC, in particular, to Mykola Donzyk, head of the CEC department for organization and methodological work. Boryz Wrzesnewskyj believes that, taking into consideration impressive facts of frauds, it is possible to come to the conclusion that in fact people voted for Yushchenko, and this choice is now threatened. This is the conclusion has also been drawn by other international observers, in particular, by one of the MPs from the Netherlands (the country, which is now heading the European Union). The Canadian MP also announced that information on the Ukrainian election has already been submitted to the Minister of Foreing Affairs and Prime Minister of Canada and an official statement of the Canadian Government on the Presidential elections will be publicized in the nearest future, possibly, this Wednesday.


From Channel 5

Minister of Transport Herorhiy Kyrpa called on all Ukrainian Railroad employees to vote for Yanukovych in the second tour
04.11.2004 20:45:30     By Ukrainian law, a member of the Government may not take part in campaigning. Also campaigning is not permitted until the final results of the first tour are announced. So far there has been no reaction from the Prosecutor General in response to this violation.


Absentee Ballots Bacchanal Mind-Boggling
19.11.2004 15:13:18 (updated 21:35)

President Kuchma refused to sign the bill proposed and passed by the Parliament yesterday to eliminate absentee ballots in the November 21st elections. Absentee ballots are the main instrument of falsifications. To date 1,500,000 absentee ballots have been issued by the Central Election Commission and 30 trains (accommodating 750,000 people) have started from Eastern Ukraine – Donetsk and Luhansk regions towards Kyiv, Lviv and Western Ukraine with the aim to use absentee ballots several times. These “tourists” are mostly innocent, honest employees of state and private structures who have been given absentee ballots and forced to go out and commit a crime – they are being paid for it. But there are also trains of criminals to arrive in large cities after the elections. What is their function? - perhaps making sure that the falsification sticks. The scope of the absentee ballot falsification is mind-boggling. The fact that the President refused to sign the bill preventing gross falsification and making the elections more transparent and honest speaks for itself.


Parliament Speaker Volodymyr Lytvyn strong pre-election statement to the Ukrainian people
19.11.2004 12:05:53 (updated 21:15)


Lytvyn expressed anger at the violations in the first tour and warned of the personal responsibility of the power representatives, law enforcement agencies, election commissions and election headquarters of presidential candidates for the falsification of the will of the citizens. “As Head of Parliament of Ukraine I call on Ukrainian citizens and pro-power representatives not to fear to make their choice while voting on November 21, 2004. Ukraine has the right to have a President elected by the people who will be respected in the world. It is all up to us and if we are not afraid – this will happen.”


Mass falsifications planned in Sumy
19.11.2004 19:20:54

12,000 certificates of the media employees from 6 media companies have been issued so they can be distributed to “tourists” coming in from Donetsk, Luhansk and Dnipropetrovsk with the purpose of falsifying and destabilizing the elections and getting them annulled. Hundreds of armed people with a criminal past have descended on Kirovohrad, have taken up residence at the hotels and joined with the local criminal gangs. Local residents are living in fear.


After the events in Kirovohrad, new heads and members of the Election Commissions cause unrest
18.11.2004 12:19:06

On October 31st ballots for Yushchenko disappeared along with members of the Election Commission and the elections were called invalid. Only this week did the Supreme Court validate the elections and returned 25,000 votes to Yushchenko. To prevent a repeat of the drama, Kirovohrad voters decided to form a voluntary brigade to guard the bulletins. Volunteers will mostly be present and past members of the law enforcement ranks.


On Nov. 12 President Kuchma fired 11 Heads of Regional Administrations - where Yushchenko won in the first tour of the elections (with the exception of one)
12.11.2004 14:52:38

No reasons were given. (Administratively Ukraine is divided into 27 “oblasts” administrations and the next substructure is Regional administrations.


Presidential Election in Ukraine
03.11.2004 15:09:26


As of November 2 the Central Election Commission updated its count to 97%, thereby changing the results to the following: Yanukovych – 39.88%, Yushchenko – 39.22%. The Central Election Commission also announced that in Crimea, Dnipropetrovsk and Donetsk 50,000 more people voted than the number of bulletins issued. These are the areas dominated by Candidate Yanukovych.


From www.elections.unian.net

About 50 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Ternopil expressed their support to the people’s President Viktor Yushchenko
28.11.2004 19:04

About 50 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Ternopil expressed their support to the people’s President Viktor Yushchenko. During the session on Sunday such decision has been made:
‘Recognizing Viktor Yushchenko who has been elected by the people. Not fullfilling illegal orders against the people of Ukraine. According to the Constitution of Ukraine, legislation of Ukraine and the owth of law enforcement representatives, to provide:

-personal security of the citizens, protection of their rights and freedoms and legal interests;

-crime prevention;

-civil order protection.'

New choice - 2004


People of Lugansk and Siverodonetsk have put their tents in Kyiv in order to support transparent elections and Yushchenko
28.11.2004 18:10

While in Siverodonetsk, Lugansk region, Congress of People’s Deputies and Deputies of Local Councils of all levels is taking place, town-dwellers are going to Kyiv and putting their tents to express their support to Viktor Yushchenko. UNIAN was informed about that in the Natonal Political Strike Committee press-center.

Six tents of people from Lugansk and one tent from Siverodonetsk have been put in the Independence square and Khreshyatyk today. Students, businessmen, journalists and engineers are among supporters today.

According to protesters who have been the first to come to Kyiv, ‘there are a lot of healthy, pragmatic people in Lugansk, who understand the real context of what is going on in Ukraine, support the National Salvation Committee and categorically deny the possibility of separation of Ukraine’
They have also informed the journalists that people of Lugansk are deprived of possibility to conduct the meeting of express any kind of support to Viktor Yushchenko in their region, because local powers do not let them to.

UNIAN


The Central Voting Commission did not consider 2 complaints filed by Yuschenko's Headquarters
28.11.2004 13:38

The Central Voting Commission did not consider 2 complaints filed by the Headquarters of Ukraine’s Presidential Contender Viktor Yuschenko.
Such resolution was adopted at the CVC meeting on Sunday, November, 28. In particular, the commission didn’t consider the complaint filed by a person empowered to act for Yuschenko Viktor Tkalych who requested to cancel the resolution of Territory Election Commission of electoral district No 115 in Luhansk region dated November, 13.

The source: Ukrainian News


In Kyiv, Yushchenko to Get 79% of Votes
22.11.2004 10:15

Viktor Yushchenko will receive 79 percent of votes in Kyiv, MP Valentyna Semeniuk (Socialist Party of Ukraine faction) announced today during the press conference in the UNIAN. She believes that this result will not be hindered by any provocations at the polling stations. According to Semeniuk, Yushchenko has already received 75,6 percent of votes while Viktor Yanukovych received 19,7 percent. These are the results received after 75 percent of ballots have been counted, Semeniuk announced. The results did not include information from the 'mott polling stations', in particular, three in Darnitsa, one in Holosiivsky, one in Obolon, and one in Podil districts of Kyiv.
According to information presented by Semeniuk, in Kyiv, there were a lot of changes in the polling station commissions. The representatives of the commissions had to be restored in the commissions through courts. At that, even the secretaries of the commissions had to be restored to their offices.


Yushchenko Is Ahead Of Yanukovich By More Than 30% In Cherkassy Oblast As Of 00:00
22.11.2004 01:00

As of 00:00, Victor Yushchenko is ahead of Victor Yanukovich by more than 30%. This information was provided to the journalists at a press-conference by the Head of Cherkassy Regional HQ of V. Yushchenko Olezander Cherevko. According to his data, V. Yushchenko obtained 73.05% of the votes and V. Yanukovich, 22.61% of the votes in Cherkassy Oblast. The data is based on 75% of the processed ballots.

The data by the districts are as follows:

197 Electoral District: V. YUSHCHENKO - 67,54%, V. YANUKOVICH - 27,36%,

198 Electoral District: V. YUSHCHENKO - 75,5%, V. YANUKOVICH - 24,6%,

199 Electoral District: V. YUSHCHENKO - 76,8%, V. YANUKOVICH - 17,9%,

200 Electoral District: V. YUSHCHENKO - 74,4%, V. YANUKOVICH - 21,5%,

201 Electoral District: V. YUSHCHENKO -70,08%, V. YANUKOVICH - 27,8%,

202 Electoral District: V. YUSHCHENKO -77,79%, V. YANUKOVICH - 18,24%,

203 Electoral District: V. YUSHCHENKO -69,6%, V. YANUKOVICH - 25,28%,

Source: Media Center 'Candidate'


CEC Does Not Know How Many Absentee Ballots Were Used During the Elections
22.11.2004 15:33

The Central Election Commission does not know how many absentee ballots were used during the elections, Serhy Kivalov, Head of the CEC, announced during the press conference.
According to the official, 1.5 million of the absentee ballots were printed, and the polling stations gave them out 'within the limits of their authorities'.


During the Election Day, Over Hundred Cases of Violations of Journalists' Rights Were Registered
22.11.2004 13:58

As of November 21, 10 pm, Coordinating Center to Assist Journalists registered over 150 cases of violation of the rights of journalists.

Key problems were as follows: prohibition to enter the polling station, hindering video-recording, and a big number of observers using the journalist IDs. Majority of the violation (32 cases) were related to rejection to permit journalists ot enter the polling stations. The top violators were Sumy, Mykolaiv, Kirovohrad, Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv, Zakarpattia, Rivne, and Kyiv regions.

Often the polling station commission members explained their decisions stating that the IDs were registered incorrectly (lacking photo, date, ID number, stamped with the stamp of another mass media etc).



In Drohobych, Prisoners Were Released from Drohobych Prison #40
24.11.2004 19:25

In the city of Drorohobych, prisoners were released. According to the Institute for Euro-Atlantic Cooperation, allegedly, they have been promised an amnisty for participation in actions against Yushchenko.

Source: IEAC


Russian spesial forces have landed at military air-port at Vasilkov 60 km. from Kiev
24.11.2004 10:52

About 800 soldiers of Russian special forces arrived at Vasilkov military air-port 60 km from Kiev, informed this morning independent journalist Oleg Eltsov at '5 channel'. 'Now they are changing in Krimea special-forces uniform' - said Eltsov, spesialised in journalist's investigations. Beside Eltsov notised that Kuchma is the only one, who could invite then and claim it as a crime.
Oleg Elrsov convinced of that according to his information 80% of Ukrainian special force soldiers claimed not to come against yheir own people.


Gorbachov has upheld Ushchenko
23.11.2004 23:39

MIkhail Gorbachov has expressed his support to Ushchenko and condemned the actions of Ukrainian Powers in the interview to american TV cannel, informs the corrtespondent of 'Radio Svoboda'. 'The wall has fallen second time' - said ex President of the USSR.


Khmelnytsky Oblrada (regional council) expressed distrust to CEC
25.11.2004 19:35

On November, 25 Khmelnytsky oblasna rada passed a resolution on distrust to CEC, Levko Biriuk, a head of Khmelnytskyi regional organization of UNP reported to press-agency of UNP.

'Members of oblrada cast aside the proposal of Viktor Kotsymir, the head of Khmelnytsky regional administration, to recognize Viktor Yushchenko as a lawfully elected President.'
Head of Khmelnytsky organization of UNP reported that '50-thousand rally was held during the meeting of members'.

The source: press-service of UNP


The Supreme Council suggested the President to propose candidates for the Central Election Commission members before December 1.
27.11.2004 16:09

228 deputies voted for suggesting the President of Ukraine to submit for concideration a notion on pre-term authorities cessation of the Central Election Commission and list of candidates to the Central Election Commission. Candidates to the Central Election Commission are to be prelimenarily adjusted with deputies's groups and fractions.
Media - Center 'Candidate'.

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... in response to Hey LP, posted by Jack on Nov 28, 2004

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Wow JB, you put a lot into that post Wink My point was not who won, my point was you said the polls shows YU did...and the polls show he did not. He *didn't* win 60% at the polls. He might have if the election was fair but he didn't, that's the source of the entire problem...and my point.

Do you really believe Russian troops are 60 km from Kyiv? That was discounted as false days ago. Much of what you posted is simply not true. What the gummint did is to delay officially recognizing the vote results, not overturn it. And even if they did it has no force of law. Besides, it's all a desperate scamble to calm things down. If it works good, if not they'll try something else but it won't change things.

I *do* think the election was rigged but thats not the point. It's in the past now anyway. The issue now is there is no solution other than civil unrest and that isn't justified under these conditions. Just how do you think the people are gonna "overcome" this anyway? By singing songs enmass in Independence Square while you feed them hot chocolate and coffee? Nope, that ain't gonna do it. Seems you aren't thinking about the cost anymore than they are and the cost isn't worth it. Ukraine will get another chance in 5 years you know, Ya isn't a Saddam.

Ironically, it proves Ukraine isn't ready for true democracy. It doesn't matter whether the vote was rigged, what matters is the *perception* it was. Many in the US believe the same about our election but do you see us doing this? Ukraine will get another chance, it's not like they're living under the Soviets. The good of the country, of the majority of the people who're *not* out stirring things up must come first. If Kuchma must maintain order then so be it, it beats the alternative. See my post below.

As for the money I stand my ground. I also care about Ukraine's future but sending them cash isn't going to make a squat of difference and you should have higher priorities, like cleaning our own house. My point was, and remains, any man who takes you up on your offer is doing so under a strange pretense. The bottom line is it only *contributes* to bringing the country closer to a fate that cannot be justified at this point in time and will hurt everyone. It's not needed and you're only feeding a fire Yu is generating without seemingly being aware of the cost in putting it out. Is this the kinda of guy you want for a president? (lol, no wait, I know how you voted here Wink And lets face it, it *is* all about MOB. You love the country and people? Maybe so, but it's mainly because you have the same fascination with the women the rest of these guys do. It's why you married one. It's also your business. Remember, I don't consider them special. They're just women.

And it's a tad selfish and shortsighted don't you think? You say you have a love of the people? Which people do you mean? It seems not the ones who support Ya and it's obvious there are many thousands of them. Even taking your 60% for Yu figure as gospel that leaves 40% for Ya. What about them? Either you care about the country and *all* it's people or you don't. Look at the big picture Jack, you're tunnel visioned in a big way right now. Must be that 'ol flag wavin' Texas thing again. Your intentions are honorable, even understandable in a way, but misguided. You know I luv ya but I think you're way off on this one.

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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Hey LP, posted by LP on Nov 28, 2004

Well LP, my efforts in writing you were not in vain. For you to agree that the Ukraine election was rigged was good to hear.

I do not have much time to counter all you have written but will address a few things then I'm out of here for a few days.

You are saying that much of what I have sent you is just wrong?

It is incorrect that the Parliament declared the Ukraine Election invalid?

Vice Director of the National Institute of Strategic Research Oleksandr Vyshniak  was incorrect in announcing the fake figues released by the Russian foundation Obshchestvennoye Mnienie from the first exit polls?

Your saying the final figures released by the "Center Presidents Day 2004"  national exit polls showing Yu with 54% of the votes and Ya with 43% are incorrect?

Is it correct that Moldova announced they did not recogize the results the Ukraine Election (something Putin was not happy to hear about).

LP are you saying these police officials in Kharkov are wrong with the declarations they have made where they were told to take part in voting fraud?

LP is it wrong when the Central Election Commission announced their were 50,000 more votes registered than were ballots were sent out in the Donesk region?HuhHuhHuhHuh?  HELLO!

And LP, in all due respect I think your sources in Kiev have given you some wrong information. I do believe Reuters is correct, I do believe my Kiev associates are correct, and I believe the local Kiev TV stations, who announced ON TV, to warn the Kiev protestors, that elite Russian army troops were guarding the Presidential Palace and would fire without warning. Could you share with me any reliable sources that can prove this was discounted days ago?

(Russian spesial forces have landed at military air-port at Vasilkov 60 km. from Kiev
24.11.2004 10:52

About 800 soldiers of Russian special forces arrived at Vasilkov military air-port 60 km from Kiev, informed this morning independent journalist Oleg Eltsov at '5 channel'. 'Now they are changing in Krimea special-forces uniform' - said Eltsov, spesialised in journalist's investigations. Beside Eltsov notised that Kuchma is the only one, who could invite then and claim it as a crime.
Oleg Elrsov convinced of that according to his information 80% of Ukrainian special force soldiers claimed not to come against their own people.)


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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Hey LP, posted by LP on Nov 28, 2004

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....You realize the vast majority of the people involved in this countrywide are students and young people? Thats not an accurate representation of Ukraine's population. I understand other than the young voted for Yu but it's mainly the young who comprised his movement and probably the majority of his vote too. And for sure they're the ones stirring things up. Not that there is anything inherently wrong with that but it needs to be considered in the big picture. It's not any different than the actions idealist youth take in any country and they can be easily manipulated. This is more than about east and west, it's about young and old.

Also, and this has nothing to do with our different viewpoints, but have you noticed how all the news media repeatably keep refering to oil and gas as the USA's primary interest in what happens in Ukraine? Nice huh? I wonder where that's coming from? Russia is Ukraine's (and our) primary foe in this remember (say, don't you love those people and their country too? Explain to me how that works will you? Wink and they aren't making any bones about it but we should know better than to be so blatant. No wonder  Eastern Ukrainians don't want anything to do with US, not to mention Ukraine is widely anti-Bush to begin with. I'm willing to listen to all viewpoints but this thing isn't nearly as simple as it appears.

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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to I hear the same , posted by LP on Nov 27, 2004

I was there during the elections. My wife actually even WORKED with Ya's campaign. I was in Kiev the whole week & she was in Zhytomir. There simply is no way anyone with half a brain could say Ya won LEGITIMATELY. Even in my wifes home town when she went to vote you could see the OVERWHELMING support for Yu.
Sad to say my wife said Ya would win simply because Kuchma & Putin were backing him. NOt to go into details but I was simply told "Ya WILL win, trust me!". IN other words the election WAS rigged. The worst part is it was BLATANTLY rigged.
I think they did NOT think what would happen would happen. I was IN the crowd on Monday. There were at least 50,000 people there. Very peaceful crowd. My wife was on the verge of having a cardiac!! LOL!!
I think the plan now is to simply wear down the people & have them go home. Obviously it would be exponentially more difficult to pull such a demonstration off TWICE.
To hear Kuchma call for a "stop" to the demonstration so they can "negotiate" is silly.
The only thing I can compare it with would be the 84 elections when Reagan ripped Mondale a new one. It was OVERWHELMING!! now what if they had given it to Mondale? That's how it is over there. It's NOT like 2000's election here or nothing it was a huge bloodbath in favor of Yu.
My wife would kill me for this but I hope Yu DOES become president.
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to There is NO WAY Ya could have won, posted by Frank O on Nov 28, 2004

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...How can you say it was "blatantly" rigged? How do you know this when international observers say different? Rigged is one thing, blatantly rigged is another. And twice? Why were the counts so close in both elections? Besides Frankie, we're talking about the poll numbers...not whether they were legit or not. Jack's comment doesn't make sense.


If the support is so overwhelming for YU in the East why are parts of it threatening autonomy if he's installed? Not that I disagree with you (I'd like to see Yu get in too), I just don't see how anyone with half a brain could make the claims you're making with such conviction.


And whats up with your wife? You married a 19 year old who doesn't share the dreams of most of Ukraine's young people (and according to you, most of the country), is pro-Russian/anti-democracy, is fully aware of and participated in the fraud by working to support the bad guy and keep the old ways? And you're bringing her to a country that is (supposedly) already everything she is so against having in her own? She's a keeper alright. Wake up Frankie, the bell tolls for thee...

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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to I don't get it...., posted by LP on Nov 28, 2004

LP, with all do repsect, or not, it was blatant!!! I was there during the first vote and I saw the intimidation that the Ya thugs imposed on the people. I was in the eastern part of the country. They would get off a bus to go and vote. As they got off the buses they were threatened by several thugs in suit that if they didn't cast their vote for Ya they would be reported and lose their jobs. In the second vote they gave the same instructions only this time they would not allow the voters to fold their ballot, and took phots of each ballot cast. The ones that feared these azzholes voted for Ya, the ones that stood their ground did the right thing and voted for Yu. These people are ashamed of the the way the voting system worked. They are miserable and want their life to change. After they voted they were bused to another polling place and the ones that voted for ya, were aloowed to vote again. The ones that didn't were made to stay on the bus. Mind you, this is in an eastern town and a small town at that where the thugs can still control by intimidation. How Ya and Kuchma can claim victory and keep a straight face is beyond me. There is no reason for Yu to compromise with these azzholes. The world needs to condemn them. as it turns out even the state controlled media have now come forth and claimed that they were intimidated and their jobs threatened. If it happened in the big cities it happened more in the small ones. Yu is the true winner and he needs to be installed in office asap. So yes, it was BLATANTLY RIGGED!!
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: I don't get it...., posted by ARTILLARY on Nov 28, 2004

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...I'm not trying to support Ya, I'm only maintaining a neutral stance without having it skewed by what some other country wants or worse, giving a rodent's rectum about this simply because it's connected to a supply of women. Think about that, it's absurd. The US has enough of it's own problems so I'm amused these guys are all over this UA thing. I view it as another peculiar example of the male MOB mindset driven by an abnormal fascination and need for a warm body. Ask yourself why you even care about this versus say, the Ivory Coast or whats happening in Sudan? As I said, MOB guys are capable of some mighty queer behavior.


The fact remains much of the East wants Ya or they wouldn't be threatening autonomy and his people wouldn't be coming out in support. Rigged or not, he has real supporters and for good reasons (when viewed by them). And neither Russia nor the US has any business interfering. To even suggest we'll punish them in some way is despicable. Let them resolve it themselves.


I hope Yu gets in, I really do. But I doubt it'll happen because there is enough of a division to prevent it without making a mess. And given that choice it's better for the country to just go back to the way it was until better guys come along. It's not gonna be the end of the world you know. Ukies know this, they aren't stupid. After all, *we* did it. Sure we'll pay for it in the future but all Ukraine has to face is going back to where it was for another 5 years. I mean come on, without this election nothing would have changed. The people may have been unhappy but not enough to really do anything about it.


There was no sign of real unrest prior to the election so this entire can thing is simply a chance to vent. Ask yourself why there was none of this 5 years ago when Kuchma got re-elected? Where was the big split then? None of this is doing the country much good as a whole and even if Yu gets in nothing will change for the average citizen. Presidents are rarely able to change things by themselves (other than make things worse) and Yu is no choir boy, he's a former PM under the old system. He and his people are guilty of election shenenagins too you know. It amuses me no end so many think he's some kind of saint. He's a politician, also out for himself. Now he's issuing ultimatums and saying if he gets in he'll treat eastern seperatists as criminals. Yeah, that's really gonna help things. In a war of ideals it's people who get hurt.


Lets play what if. What if this happened here? If Kerry and 50% of the American people rose up and demanded a "legally" elected Bush step aside?What would you do if you were Dubya? Forget whether Kerry's crowd is right or wrong or whether the election was legit or not, look at it as a president who must maintain order for the good of the country and the people who're not involved in the dispute. Which btw way would be the *majority*. The people who went about their normal lives, the ones who didn't go to Kyiv. Sure they may have an opinion either way but they're not involved otherwise. What would you, as Dubya, do? You'd maintain order thats what, because the silent majority must come first, the ones who understand another time for choice will come and that throwing the baby out with the bath water is stupid.


For Yu to tear Ukraine apart when there is no solution but violence and when it isn't under an oppressive dictatorship makes no sense, it's not justified under the current situation. You need to look at the big picture, it's not like Ya is Saddam. It all comes down to either a war between each side or a revolt involving Yu's side and the government. Neither is justified to right the "wrongs" of either the election or the current system. If the Ukrainain people can't see this than Kuchma should act for the greater good of the country, for the majority of citizens who aren't willing to make a mess. (The vote may have been split 50/50 but 100% of the people aren't in the streets demonstrating for both sides).
If that means maintaining order then so be it. YU can try again in 5 years. The people can wait and so can Russia and the US. It's pretty much the only solution and the right one too boot, one that avoids strife and saves lives.


Besides YU can huff and puff all he wants, it means nothing under UA law. I have an opinion about what is going to happen but I'll keep it to myself. Yu getting in is the least of the possibilites and  for good reason. You need to stop thinking these people are anything like western cultures. They don't think like us and won't act like we would. (I mean before, back when the American people knew the difference between right and wrong and couldn't be duped).

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: I don't get it...., posted by LP on Nov 28, 2004

You never will get it because you are the looser and not the nice people on this board or the nice Ukrainian people.
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re:  Re: I don't get it...., posted by AllenB on Nov 28, 2004

Oooh! A killer comeback if I ever saw one. Nice Wink

Btw, I see you've removed your profile. Guess I was right huh? I can smell 'em a mile away....

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2004, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to There is NO WAY Ya could have won, posted by Frank O on Nov 28, 2004

However, like news media is telling us, they are strong in Eastern Ukraine near Russia.

I think they should elimate absent voting and really do ship in American/Western Voting Machines all of one type of design.

All votes are secured on a voting microchip, and that memory card is assigned to 1 person.

Or, hell.  WE can get rid of those punch card ballot machines ones and for all by shipping them off to them.

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