IS is safe to travel to Ukraine now?

[LP]

... in response to Re:  The Irony......., posted by WmGo on Nov 15, 2004

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...Lol, say what? His first paragraph makes perfect sense, it's the second one I'm shaking my head over. Thats not the Ukrainian people I know, and he lives there to boot.

Man, something is sure out of whack here and it can't be me

[romachko]

... in response to Re: Re: The Irony......., posted by TimInUkraine on Nov 12, 2004

I completely agree with you.

I traveled in Russia when it was Soviet. I felt they were very "religious." Well, Jesus had been replaced by Lenin but the way Lenin was admired was not much unlike the way they used religion in the red states (i.e., American red states.) Both believed in "absolute" rather than rational thinking. What Lenin said was absolute like the Bible. Chinese went a step farther. They even had their version of the Bible, that little red book citing what Chairman Mao said. They even performed faith healing by putting the red book on the patient's head. You have seen this in this country too, right? Of course, our men won't use Mao's book but what difference does it make?

Remember Lycenko? Lycenko was the Soviet biologist who promoted biology based on Marx-Lenin principle. According to his theory environment will change the gene of plants. They unsuccessfully tried to expand farms well into permafrost regions. Well, we have our version of faith science. Creationism. In 1970's Monkey trial went all the way to the Supreme Court. Seventy-four Nobel laureates sent a special appeal to the Court, warning them that creationism was a big threat to science. Those world top scientists had to even define what science was because Rehnquist and Scalia didn't understand the difference between science and religion. The same thing is occurring again in red states now. Red states want to install more Rehnquists and Scalias in the Supreme Court.

It is very interesting to see that the Republican governer in blue state California acts more like liberal Democrat!

[Lynn]

... in response to Re: Re: The Irony......., posted by TimInUkraine on Nov 12, 2004

Me thinks you hit the nail right on.

Your post reminds me about reading a section from: ""The Gulag Ambipelago" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Solzhenitsyn tells a story about a Zek, a prisoner in the Gulag, who finds an ant in the bottom of his teacup. The Zek notices that the ant is trying to crawl out, so the Zek gently Pushes the ant back down to the bottom. The ant tries to crawl out again, and again the Zek pushes him down. After the third try, the Zek begins to count. One hundred eighty-two times the ant tries to crawl Out. One hundred  eighty-two times the Zek carefully pushes him back down. There is no Try # 183, The ant simply huddles at  the bottom, Occasionally wandering around, but never again does it try to escape. The Zek could go away for a while and come back to find the ant still there. It had given Up any attempt to be free.

Solzhenitsyn saw the ant as a metaphor for the Russian people. They had tried and tried and tried to liberate themselves from Communist tyranny, only to find themselves pushed back down. "

Your description of the red state mentality fits a huge percent of the people in this country. If it's said on the evening news it has to be true---the media and the goverment would never lie to us. On the latter---just ask any; Cherokee, Choctaw, Seminole, Catawba, Mohegan, Seneca, Tuscarora, Apache, Iowa, Kickapoo, Kiowa, Osage, Sioux, Delaware, Chickasaw, Nez Perce, Chippewa----especially the Little Shell of the Dakotas---billions of $ and counting. Why, we say, do the Indians matter to us? Maybe they don't to us personally, but in most cases they have more rights than the average 14th ammendment citizen. What have we got to look forward to???  

Ahh and now we as Americans are welcoming the oppression of the military state, most not realizing that we have partially, if not wholly, implemented all ten planks of the communist manifesto. Don't believe it? Read the document.

 

[LP]

... in response to Re: Re: No, it's not...., posted by WmGo on Nov 10, 2004

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...Since I know you've read it there is no need to leave it. This isn't the place for such discourse anyway. No basis in fact for the coat hanger theory? Good Lord, you must have been living in a cave or are simply too young to remember.

Allah Akbar!

[WmGo]

... in response to Re: No, it's not...., posted by LP on Nov 11, 2004

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Hmm, ad hominem argumentation throughout: invalid (and shallow).

Arguments based on assertions of regional superiority: bigoted and vain.

The old coat hanger argument: no basis in reality, but be that as it may, ignores the obvious Constitutional issue (one that you're obviously unqualified to even have a valid opinion on).

Assumptions (several): you know what they say about making them :0

Division: wake up! The country has been divided for a long time. There is nothing necessarily wrong with division. AND, it takes two to tango. Bush didn't divide. What divides are the matters that I previously addressed: Traditional God Fearing and Limited Government America vs. Post Modern Post Christian Secular Humanist Socialist America. Bush and Kerry are on opposite sides of the cultural divide. That's just the way it is. Get used to it.

Lesser of two evils - isn't it usually that way? It's the old 80-20 rule for me, and I'll always vote for the guys I agree with on the 80.

Allah Akbar? Translation: Satan is great. Don't recommend advocating this though. Not good for one's skin.

History: don't worry, it's His Story (and He ain't "Allah")

Good luck.

P.S.
Methinks you need to be listening to that
Tear in My Beer song

[wsbill]

... in response to No, it's not...., posted by LP on Nov 8, 2004

I think their whole motive is demoralize the population and then present them with the idea of going back under the rainbow of Russia.  And returning to the good'ole days.

[LP]

... in response to Re: No, it's not...., posted by wsbill on Nov 8, 2004

...Lol, just when I think I'm doing OK you come along and slay me with nary an effort. I'm no match for you Bill, I simply can't think on your level. Talk about demoralizing...

[wsbill]

... in response to No, it's not...., posted by LP on Nov 8, 2004

Just saw that in the headlines of the moscow news.  I'll bet busy there.

[Craigjjs]

... in response to No, it's not...., posted by LP on Nov 8, 2004

NT

[KenC]

... in response to No, it's not...., posted by LP on Nov 8, 2004

n/t