Be careful out there! Here's a story to...

[Stevo]

always keep in the back of your mind while you are out there shopping for a wife in the FSU.

Last week my wife (who works at the local mall) met another Russian girl (who also works there).  She just separated from her husband of 6 months after deliberately provoking him into beating her.  She understands very well the DV laws in this country and figured if she got him angry enough he would hit her and she could use this as evidence for filing a DV complaint with the police.  Now she can file for divorce and still stay in this country.

Basically she told my wife that she wants to go out and have 'fun' which to her meant smoking, drinking and partying till all hours of the morning.  I guess her husband didn't appreciate that side of his new wife.  Now she's on the prowl for a 'rich guy'.  

Be REAL careful out there!

Stevo

[Travis]

... in response to Be careful out there!  Here's a story to..., posted by Stevo on Aug 25, 2004

Sounds exactly like my ex. But I agree with Jack and that under no circumstance should he have beaten her. She provoked him and he gave her exactly what she wanted. I didn't give my ex the satisfaction...I think that ticked her off more than anything :-) Anyway, the result is her days are numbered. She can party for now but she's close to returning to the hole she came from...life's a suka then you marry one!

[Hamlet]

... in response to Be careful out there!  Here's a story to..., posted by Stevo on Aug 25, 2004

A half-dozen years ago I had been attending periodic meetings of the Russian-American Friendship Club in a major US city.  I met and befriended a personable and attractive RW.  She was married and our friendship was platonic.

But one day she called me for help, explaining that her American husband had walked out on her suddenly.  We met, and it became clear that she wanted divorce and immigration advice (I am a lawyer but not that kind).  And then I pieced this history together:

2+ years earlier she came to the US with her Russian husband, a scientist who had a long-term visa.  Hers was temporary.  So she divorced him and seduced an American man who married her.  She only used the American, faking love for him until two years had elapsed.  One year and 10 months after they married, unable to control her contempt for the husband she never liked in the first place and anticipating the two year mark, she began slapping him around and rather than fight back he left the home.  

She called me a few months later to keep in touch.  She had moved to another state and was living with - guess who? - her original Russian husband.

Hamlet

[wsbill]

... in response to Twist on the old scam, posted by Hamlet on Aug 27, 2004

Especially by you, a LAWYER!

[Hamlet]

... in response to Re: Hamlet....this ought to be report to..., posted by wsbill on Aug 27, 2004

Is this a joke?  Sorry if I don't get it.

Are you saying I should sell out a friend who I suspect of visa fraud?

Or did you assume that my friend had a consultation with me in my capacity as a lawyer (she did not) and that I violate one of the fundamental protections allowed to individuals by breaching the confidentiality of our communications and contacting the authorities?

Hamlet

[Charles]

... in response to Be careful out there!  Here's a story to..., posted by Stevo on Aug 25, 2004

In addition to the DV way out, an RW can also just play along for two years and then dump you for a better alternative.  Once the conditional green card is issued, all she has to do convince the INS to let her stay is that they entered into the marriage in good faith.  I know of at least two situations where the RW separated from her husband as soon as she got the conditional green card and an independent means of support, usually a decent job.  Then she just filed the I-751 for the permanent green card without her husband's signature or support, and received her permanent green card.

[Jack]

... in response to Be careful out there!  Here's a story to..., posted by Stevo on Aug 25, 2004

"deliberately provoking him into beating her"

I don't care what a woman does, you don't beat her! If he really did beat her he needs to be reported.

Yes, bad Russian women, non-sincere Russian women, Russian women with low morals, have heard about our DV laws and know all it takes is filing one complaint for domestic violence that holds up to receive that all important green card. The INS (BCIS) seems to have a problem in deporting any woman who has suffered from, or been part of a DV claim.

Men who do not take the time to know Russian women, men who do not take the time to know the Russian woman they have selected, men who will marry a Russian woman of low morals, are all asking for trouble.  If you marry a scammer, your going to get scammed. If you marry a woman who is only using you to get to America, your going to have your heart broke. If you marry a woman with low morals, what makes you think she's going to have high morals in the states?

Most guys get what they have coming to them because they did not care enough to go about the pursuit in an efficient manner. Many guys will seek and marry the very first beauty who shows them any attention. Yep, she has to be the one for me! She likes me, I can tell. She will make a fine wife. And this was the first, or second or third Russian woman he met!

Why do guys pick to marry the first and only Russian women they ever met?  Why do guys pick from the best of two, three or four Russian women they ever met? Well, Tatyana is the best of the four ladies I met, and she will marry me, therefore she will be the Russian woman I decide to marry.

And you guys think this happens every now and then? It happens EVERY day!  

Most the guys who get scammed got scammed because they were too lazy to meet many ladies, or did not have enough money to meet many ladies, or did not have enough time to meet many ladies. And these are the cry babies we hear from most the time "I got scammed by a Russian woman. These Russian women are bad". He not dare say it was his fcuking fault.

If your not going to work for your success, don't try to find a good Russian bride. Usually it takes work and effort to find good Russian women. It's easy to find the beautiful scammers on the internet and these are what many guys fall for. You guys think those beautiful, stunning women have to go to the i-net to find a husband? Get real. These beauties go to the i-net to find victims. But ohhh, your's will be the exception! In your dreams. If you do not have the money to go about this pursuit in an efficient manner, don't even start. If you think saving $5000 for one shot, one trip to find your Russian bride, your a disaster waiting to happen. If you do not have enough time to meet many Russian ladies, then don't even start. How many guys would meet a woman in America, spend 7-8 days with her and decide to marry her. Not many guys I think. So why would guys think spending 7-8 days with a Russian woman is any different? I think only with a lot of experience with Russian women could a guy know with a fairly high of certainty that she is the one in such a short time period. With culture differences, language differences, if anything one would need to spend a lot more time getting to know such a woman. But does this happen? Not with most the guys.

[Bobby Orr]

... in response to Be careful out there! You are responsibl..., posted by Jack on Aug 26, 2004

Jack - right on as usual.

[Jack]

... in response to Excellent Diatribe, posted by Bobby Orr on Aug 26, 2004

Thank you Hockeyguy.

I am glad you took the time and looked and found a good woman of high morals. It appears to me guys who picked a woman of low morals seem to be the most insecure and wishy-washy type of guys.

[Bobby Orr]

... in response to Re: Excellent Diatribe, posted by Jack on Aug 27, 2004

Thanks Jack.  I did not mean to cause a stir by using a more controversial word to describe your excellent post.  It was a forceful outstanding passionate post which sounded like something an expert would say when lecturing a room full of students on a topic - hence the characterization.

[Bobby Orr]

... in response to Be careful out there!  Here's a story to..., posted by Stevo on Aug 25, 2004

Smoking
Drinking
Partying

   I'll add a fourth - Bar Hopping / frequenting.

   If a girl often does any of the above four she in my mind is a way riskier entity to pursue than the girl who is not into the above activities.

[Craigjjs]

... in response to 3 big red flags for FSU women, posted by Bobby Orr on Aug 26, 2004

Has anyone perceived any other patterns in FSU women looking for green cards?  The money scams are relatively easy to identify.  The green card matter is really tough.

A friend married a Chinese woman who was in the US on a student visa (she was studying ESL!).  He became concerned when he learned that she never gave up her apartment, but had a friend live in it and pay the rent.  Sure enough, after two years she divorced him and moved back into the apartment.  She now has a green card and a much younger boyfriend.  He says he didn't see any other warning signs.

Craig

[John K]

... in response to 3 big red flags for FSU women, posted by Bobby Orr on Aug 26, 2004

Not sure about that one.  Smoking is simply a habit.  I've never seen any study that concluded that smoking caused loose morals.  

Marina smoked when she first came over.  I quickly broke her of it.  I simply told her I wasn't going to kiss an ashtray.  That pretty much took care of her smoking then and there.  :-)

[Frank O]

... in response to Smoking???, posted by John K on Aug 26, 2004

The thing to watch out for is IF a lady says she does NOT smoke & you show up & she does...well THAT to me is a BIG red flag. Where there is lying....there's smoke...

[Bobby Orr]

... in response to Smoking???, posted by John K on Aug 26, 2004

I agree with you if a girl only smokes thats fine - if you are a smoker no problem.  If you can get her quit and are not a smoker, no problem as well.  Its usually the three together - and those three usually go back to bad character.