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Author Topic: School Daze  (Read 5559 times)
MarkInTx
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« on: September 08, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

We recently had an interesting thing happen here...

Stas got into a fight at school. I don't know all of the details, but apparently some kid at school and he have been at it for some time, and it finally came to a head...

Recently, they had some words in PE class, and the kid stepped on (or kicked dust on -- I'm not sure) Stas' shoes.

Stas loves his new shoes, so that was a fighting offense as far as he was concerned. He punched the kid in the chest, and when the kid decided to back off, Stas chased after him, kicking him.

It's the first time something like this has happened.

So, we get the expected call from the principal. What was a little unexpected was my wife's response:

"Stas hit him? Good! What's the big deal? Stas was doing what he had to do. He must be a man."

So, my wife and I had a very long talk about it. She was amazed that it is possible these days to even get sued, or have an assault charge filed. Crazy at it sounds, it sometimes happens.

She was really pissed about it.

"What is he supposed to do? Run to the teacher every time someone bothers him? He must be a man, not some whiney baby!"

Now, the thing is that there was a time in this country -- not so long ago -- when what she was saying was exactly how things were dealt with. When I was a kid, you never ran to the teacher. You had a problem, you met the kid on the playground and settled the problem.

But times have changed. And I tried to make my Ukrainian wife understand that the way she had raised Stas since he was a boy will not work here.

At first she was really angry about the stupid rules here.

I pointed out to her that Stas used to be afraid to go to school in Ukraine. He had a chipped front tooth from a fight at school with a much bigger kid.

"Is that better?" I asked. "A school where the strongest rules? Or is it better to have an environment where all students can learn in peace and without worrying about who is going to beat them up?"

After all, part of the reason she was so fine with this was that Stas was bigger than this other kid. If the tormentor was bigger and stronger, Stas might not have been so happy to fight it out.

Eventually, she understood.

After I got her to calm down, and agree that Stas needed to play by the rules, I pointed out that there are ways of handling things -- even still -- without running to the teacher. For instance, if Stas had left it with the punch in the chest, nothing would have happened. But when he chased after the kid, kicking him, everyone saw what happened, and he looked like the agressor. If he had simply thwapped the kid in the chest, probably it would have ended there.

(Interesting side note: This happened in PE class, which is run by the football coach. Nothing was said in class. It wasn't until this kid went crying to the office that things got escalated. I have a hunch that the coach was only to happy to let the boys settle it themselves... and from what I know of the situation, I think it was actually better handled this way... -- according to Stas, this kid is a trouble-maker in class, and pesters a lot of other kids... but in this day of Sue-Happy parents, I understand why the principal had to do something...)

Anyway... I mention all of this because if anyone else has a kid coming over as part of a "package deal" you might want to consider this interesting area of culture differences...

FWIW

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Charles
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to School Daze, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 8, 2004

Very good post, Mark.  I agree that it is extremely important to understand the cultural differences in children, especially young men.  For you, Mark, you are fortunate that Stas is still in elementary school.  In the Washington D.C. area where I live there is a huge Russian community and they like to settle things without the intervention of authorities, which to say the least has been a big problem for me.  Based on the experiences that I have seen, including my own, I would be extremely wary about bringing over any boy over the age of 12.  They bring with them the "Russian way" of handling things and once they are teenagers they get drawn into the local culture and it becomes extremely difficult to convince them of the right way to proceed.  What makes it even more difficult is that the wife responds in much same way as Mark's wife -- as long as no one got killed, what's the harm.  So, as Mark says, make sure you know "the total package" when you jump in.
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: School Daze, posted by Charles on Sep 9, 2004

Actually, Stas is in 7th grade...

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Gmen99
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to School Daze, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 8, 2004

HI: mark thanks for taking the High road.Yes your true in our new world of "sue happy parents"! Grant it,it was right of you to tell your wife about assult charges.I hope you may have also told your wife,with this going on and the parents decide to press charges,her green card may be voided and she may be arested,most of all in some case's deported! I do undertsand your wife's thinking,since comeing from grand parents whom came over from another country.They had similar views,as a child if a kid hit you hit them back,views that may have worked in the past,just dont sit well with most americans now a day! I dont belive in any sort of violence! Your wife as set in her way's as she may be,In my views.I think by you taking the high road,and being rational about this.I think by taking the High road,you showed "stas" He is more of a man!
Good job
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: School Daze, posted by Gmen99 on Sep 8, 2004

Well, thanks...

I'm actually not sure that it is good to never stand up for yourself, and that isn't what we told him...

We just want him to use more wisdom, and only resort to force when it is a self-defense sort of situation.

He, on the other hand, feels if it is known that he will resort to fists, it will never get to the self-defense stage... Maybe he has a point...

But for now, at least, there is peace...

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Albert
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to School Daze, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 8, 2004

This is a very good post.  It is important for guys to understand there are certain things that the people in other countries see as black when we see them as white.

I have a very good time with the ladies in the FSU, and we seem so quickly compatible that I often forget there will be certain items like this that will crop up.  My immediate feeling is to start to look at them in disbelief or say something like 'you have got to be kidding!'  But luckily, just in time, I remember this night and day difference idea and try to talk through it.

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