Communication with RW

[KenC]

Communication with RW is difficult at best, even if the RW has decent English skills.  Slang terms and less than common phrases or words can easily throw them off the true meaning of what is written.  One must remember that the RW have been taught a British version of English and not a standard American version.

You shouldn't micro-analyze written responses from RW either.  They just may not have the experience with our language or their interpreter may not be the greatest.  My wife had good English skills when she arrived here 6 years ago, but there was many a misunderstanding due to the fact that she was not completely understanding what was being said or even some things she was saying.  Her comprehension of written English was much lower than her spoken English comprehension.  All these factors must be kept in mind while attempting to communicate with a RW.

The other factor to be considered is just how good are your own communication skills?  I slammed Gmen99 below on his inability to communicate partly as a joke.  The more I thought about his unintelligible posts, I came to the conclusion that it is not a joking matter at all.  How on earth can one begin to expect a RW to understand any written communication when English speaking members here can hardly follow it?  Just for reference, I ran Gmen99's original post through my spelling and grammar check.  Of 1,666 words written, there were 608 errors.  More than one-third of what was written was incorrect!  Again I ask, how on earth could he ever expect a RW to understand what he has written?  If the RW has superior English skills, she may be able to piece together some percentage of a poorly written correspondence, but what will that tell her about you?  As LP pointed out, RW also value education and intelligence.  Take your time gang and try your best to communicate well.  Other wise you are just wasting your time and effort.
KenC

[LP]

... in response to Communication with RW, posted by KenC on Sep 9, 2004

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...And it's not only language persay. Be very careful when using idioms, colloquialisms, or any form of slang. Saying something like we need to "keep tabs" on it, ect, will go way over their heads. Everytime you write a letter you need to think very carefully about these things even if the letter will be translated. (Translators are often just as lost as their clients when it comes to this). It's no different when speaking directly to a R/W or interperter. Basically, remember to engage your brain before putting your mouth in gear.

Forget machine translation, even human translation can be tough to fathom at times. It's funny how after a while you know what they're talking about just from osmosis. So far I've been able to decipher all but one phrase from FSU women who used human translation. Years ago one mentioned in a letter to me she worked at the place of the "micro air builders". Try as I might that one haunts me to this day. (Lol, maybe Gmen99 can figure it out).

Of course, the best thing to do is learn their language but that's an argument for another post.

Btw Gmen99, Ken has a very valid point so give it a rest eh? You're the last one who should be talking about communication skills. What *is* it with you anyway? Are you using speech to text sofware? Or a mouthstick? I mean come on; your PC could easily clean up your posts if you'd only use it. How lazy is that? So far I've gleaned three other tidbits about you: 1) You've never been to Kyiv. (In fact I'll bet you've never been to the FSU at all). 2) You've never been a parent. 3) You sure as hell don't know much about electricity.

If I were you I'd definately think about quitting while you're ahead...

[Gmen99]

... in response to Right on..., posted by LP on Sep 9, 2004

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LP: excuse me But i do know about electronics and the sort!
Maybe i can read analog and just thought since it was mentioned about multi-meters some one can benifit from a analog over digital but another poster brought up something much better! I was wrong,i do fine with analog! ps:Yes your right ive never been to the fsu but met many of people whom did go,and my work has brought me into contact with them.
Talking about quitting while im ahead.I didnt flame you,your the one whom started the flame on me as for kids,ive dated many ladies hear in the usa
who have kid's and so,let me be the judge of my own life,again thanks for taking a vested interrest in what i have to say,again you make my day!

[KenC]

... in response to Re: Right on...electricity, posted by Gmen99 on Sep 9, 2004

Gmen99,
There was a Brendon Fraser movie that came out in 1999 called "Blast from the Past". He was a young man in his early 20's that had lived his entire life in a underground bunker with only his parents input to develope him.  Try as he might, his Father could not get the young man to understand baseball.  No amount of explanation could make sense of the game to the young man.  The young man had to leave the bunker to get supplies and he happened to experience a baseball game {and Alicia Silverstone) first hand.  His eyes lit up and he finally "got it."  Having children and visiting the fsu is a lot like that.  No amount of conversation can ever replace the real experience.  Until you have had your own child or spent time in the fsu, you have no clue what it is you're talking about on those two subjects.
KenC

[Gmen99]

... in response to Lack of experience, posted by KenC on Sep 9, 2004

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Man dude you must have a hard on for me or for  a rw wife?
what is it!?!Learning is key,and im hear to learn not to fight! I came hear to learn as much as i can.To ask as many questions as i can,with out any negative backlash!
all im saying is please knock it off! Im a young guy,much younger then you
Of course you have years of wisom,I never said you didnt.Instead of bashing me and berateing me and insulting far beyond any human should have to endure! In stead of being a negative force be a teacher!!!
Dont try to bash me over my head and HURT AND bitter vemom coming from your keyboard! I dont undertsand why You have a stick up your ass for me
Like i said,im young,somewhat new to this,I came hear to properly learn
not to be bashed! mind you,thats all you did since i first posted
I learned a long time ago,things are sometimes better left unsaid
dude,your much smarter,(grant it,i concevie it) But instead of being this way,BE A TEACHER! IT WORKS OUT BETTER FOR ALL OF US..

[KenC]

... in response to Re: Lack of experience, posted by Gmen99 on Sep 9, 2004

Gmen99,
I did not bash you, berate you or send you bitter "vemom" from my keyboard (whatever the hell THAT is).  I did try to give you a practial example of my point in an effort to inform you.  You are so busy defending yourself that you cannot realize that there are some truths to the criticisms.  Just for the record I have no desire for you to "conceive"(?) anything with me. LOL.
KenC
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Pronunciation: k&n-'sEv
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): con·ceived; con·ceiv·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French conceivre, from Latin concipere to take in, conceive, from com- + capere to take —more at HEAVE
Date: 14th century
transitive senses
1 a : to become pregnant with (young)

[Gmen99]

... in response to Lack of attention, posted by KenC on Sep 10, 2004

Fine lets put a end to it,thank you

[LP]

... in response to Re: Lack of experience, posted by Gmen99 on Sep 9, 2004


...learn how to be a student. Ken has what it takes to back up his comments while you don't. So far all I've seen from you is a resistance to learn anything, prefering instead to adopt an attitude you already know. The first thing you need to learn is how to learn. Here's a tip: The first rule in doing that usually involves shutting one hole and opening two others. The second is accepting that others might, just might mind you, know what they're talking about. And if you knew Ken you'd know he's just about the biggest gentleman around these parts; to say he's spitting venom is just plain loco. Besides...that's my job.

Speaking of which, it's clear the only electrical expertise you have comes from electroshock and even that didn't work. Spare me the tirade on DMMs verus analog, if you really knew anything you'd know each has it's place and that the fuses you talk about are normally for current measurement only. I seriously doubt any of these guys are gonna be taking current measurements in the FSU, not to mention most cheap DMMs don't go much above a few amps full scale and not all will measure line frequency. And what would you do with this information after you arrived anyway? Lol, you gonna call 'em up and have them shift the freq 10 hertz? And if you're fluent in analog you might at least learn to spell the terms correctly. Jeez, next you'll be telling me you're an RF wiz...

I personally see very little point in traveling with test and measurement gear of any kind. In your case I'd suggest a Loserometer but the background would to too high. If you don't already know the electrical system in the country you're visiting (there are only a few total in the world) you haven't done basic research and shouldn't be going. Besides, I've seen cheap meters explode in people's faces and the cemetaries are filled with those who thought they understood electricty.

Btw, dating women with kids is not the same as being a parent and being in contact with FSU people is a far cry from going there. Try again.

If you came here to learn that's fine but so far all I see is you preaching to people about things you know little about. From where I sit (and based on your experience and pervious actions) anyone would have to be nuts to take your advice with little more than a grain of salt.

Being the judge of your own life is exactly your problem...my guess is it's been slowly doing you in for a long time. Take my advice and settle down before you end up looking like just another schmuck who shouldn't be in this game...although it may already be too late for some.

Finally, I'm Cape Cod born and raised. You're giving Peabody and Ma a bad name. It's bad enough Kerry is doing it, we don't need anymore folks thinking everyone from the Bay State is nuts.

[Gmen99]

... in response to And you need to..., posted by LP on Sep 9, 2004

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Fine,now that your through your weight around.Im not even going down the road of politics we dont need that hear
whom said im still in the game,by calling me a "L" word,that wasnt all fair,dude.Your much older and i will learn from you.But not to be bashed,stop it with the verbal bat please

[Gmen99]

... in response to Communication with RW, posted by KenC on Sep 9, 2004

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Ken C: what is your problem with slaming me,once more! first charley,Then francess Now soon to be ivan,Now ken c on gmen99! wow,let it be! GROW UP! if i was the state of fla KEN C would be a hurricane with 160 mph and deemed a cat 5 hurricane! LET IT GO! TAKE THE HIGH ROAD.instead of making me be the brunt of your Inmature jokes and examples! cool it,lean back,lean back!! Relax!

[KenC]

... in response to Re: slaming me more then a Fla Hurricane..., posted by Gmen99 on Sep 9, 2004

Gmen99,
You may be the most intelligent man in Peabody, but your inability to spell, punctuate, type and use proper grammar makes you appear uneducated and unintelligent.  Think about using your notepad to organize your thoughts and then run it through spell and grammar check until you improve your writing skills.  Believe me, I am not the worlds greatest typist or speller, but I try to be clear in my thoughts and understandable.  With more than ONE THIRD of your words misspelled, improperly capitalized or pucutuated, I am not "nit picking" here either.  You have a serious writing disability and there is no way a RW would ever make "heads or tails" of what you write.
KenC

[Gmen99]

... in response to Communication with RW, posted by KenC on Sep 9, 2004

Why do you slam me again.Petes sake,You could have been mature and say a "poster" For petes sake I didnt ask to be slamed once more!

[Cold Warrior]

... in response to Communication with RW, posted by KenC on Sep 9, 2004

A few days ago I was speaking with some black teenagers and could hardly understand them. I think rap music has `invented' a whole new language. I would hate to see this street talk going mainstream, especially now when English is increasingly being used worldwide. On the other hand, it is difficult also to understand 15th century English. So, what we now consider as standard English may evolve into something else.

[cherokee]

... in response to Re: Communication with RW, posted by Cold Warrior on Sep 9, 2004

i just cringe when i see American rap on Russian tv. I also pray that garbage doesn't make it mainstream over there.

I hope that doesn't sound too racist, i try not to be.

[Gmen99]

... in response to i just cringe (sp?) , posted by cherokee on Sep 9, 2004

Cherokee: thats greed.It will make it mainstream over there
as far as it being a racist,comment a person of color may think it would be that way! in all every country has somewhat had the whole "hood" In them
da-ali g show just makes fun of us americans and such!
Its greed,power and such