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Author Topic: On the subject of Apostile...  (Read 4353 times)
John K
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« on: May 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

What is Apostile?  Why is it neccessary?  How does it work?  These are important questions that you need to be aware of, as you progress into married life with your spouse.  This has far ranging impact, as I will attempt to show.

Some years back, a large group of nations, including Russia, Ukraine and the US all agreed to streamline the legalization of domestic documents, by accepting the legality of documents of another nation as their own.  By "domestic documents", I mean such things as marriage certificates, birth certificates, divorce papers, etc.  This international acceptance of domestic legal documents is called "Apostile".  What exactly does this mean for us?  Here's a real world example:

My wife is changing her last name on her passport to her married name.  In order to do this, she needs to register our American marriage at the marriage bureau in Ukraine.  According to the international agreement, our American marriage certificate is accepted as legal under the precepts of Apostile.

Is it that simple?  Not exactly, as we have just found out.  I sent a certified marriage certificate over with my wife, but it wasn't accepted.  Apparently, you need to get a seal of Apostile from the Secretary of State of your state.  My local county goverment employees didn't know this and tried to tell me it was fine.  My friends who have had to deal with this before have told me otherwise.  After checking with the Secretary of State, I sent out a letter with all the important information and a check for $5.00.  Supposedly, I will get my seal of Apostile tomorrow.  Once I have that, I will send the seal, along with the document I got the seal for (it is linked to the date the document was issued, not recorded) to my wife.  This should help us clear this little legal hurdle.

You might want to save this info somewhere.  I suspect it might come in handy in the future for some of you...

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Lynn
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to On the subject of Apostile..., posted by John K on May 27, 2004

Wouldn't a Apostile from your state department of health/vital statistics be the same? That is where all these records are kept in North Carolina and several other states that I know about. The Apostile, as I understand it, is a seperate sheet attached to the document certifying it's validity. The Apostile came about as a result of a world convention in the Hague in 1961.
As a side note, due to another decision made in the same year, you can certify copies of your own documents [that do not require a Apostile] yourself if you use the proper format for the stamp----I have one and have used it several times (beats the heck out of looking for a notary). I know this is domestically accepted and I think internationally as well-----but you might want to do some checking to see if this is common knowledge.

my 3 or 2cts.
Lynn

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John K
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: On the subject of Apostile..., posted by Lynn on May 28, 2004

I think any Apostille (correct spelling, this time) would be sufficient.  I hadn't heard of certifying your own documents before, Lynn, so I have no clue if they would be accepted internationally or not.  I suspect that the paper pushers over there are going to be pretty suspicious of it, if they haven't heard of it before.  I think I'd just as soon pay my $5 and have it done via more conventional means...
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Lynn
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: On the subject of Apostille..., posted by John K on May 28, 2004

It's not un-conventional, just not common knowledge for most people. I learned of it maybe 6 months ago myself. It came from the "Convention de la Haye du - 5 - October - 1961" and is intended to be a international decision to the best of my knowledge.
Like I said, before you go that route with something going overseas, I would check to see if they are knowledgeable in the matter. If it specifies Apostille, then that's what they want.
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Lynn
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: On the subject of Apostille...., posted by Lynn on May 28, 2004

I just found this link as I was looking for something else-----scroll down on the page for links/addresses of each state and US possession.


http://travel.state.gov/authentication.html

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