Perils of WOVO

[Yorkman]

Guys, I am progressing well on my WMVM upcoming campaign.

But, it would have been a disaster if I had been following the WOVO path.

I have been in contact now with over 60 ladies with some substantial communication with about 40 or so.  During the past couple of weeks, I have pared the list down to around 20.  Of these, 4 ladies were clearly at the top of my list.

But just this week, concerning those 4.
One misunderstood a couple of things I said in my message and she replied saying "didn't like my message and had some doubts."  She went on to say some hurtful things and was even tacky by answering one of my questions with, "you can find such information on the Internet."

Another finally told me that her 19 y.o. daughter has been writing the messages and that she will have to come along on the dates.

The third tells me her friend has been writing the messages and will have to come on the dates.

So I only have one left of the previous top 4.

Fortunately, some other ladies who finally opened their mail late  have been fast rising.

But consider my position had I have been on a WOVO process with one of the three that I have just dropped!!

[BubbaGump]

... in response to Perils of WOVO, posted by Yorkman on Apr 23, 2004

Basically, what kind of response rate are you getting and what kind of women are you chosing for yourself?  Are you getting a good response rate because you are chosing realistic women?  Do you consider yourself very selective?  Do a lot of them write a couple of times then just drop out of sight?  Are you chosing mostly women with kids to up your response rate?  When you propose visiting them, do some of them cut it off as if there was some scam going on?  Just curious about your experiences since I have had only one serious taker at this point.  The honest approach has not worked for me so far.  The good things they don't believe (I'm very well off) but the bad things they do (I'm unemployed).  I don't really know how to handle this topic in a tactful way.  I have to wonder if they think the south is Siberia.  The one girl that has stuck it out probably just misunderstood what I was writing so I don't want to screw it up with the direct truth.  I think her life in Russia sucks, so she keeps writing.

[Jack]

... in response to Questions (chime in Jack, please), posted by BubbaGump on Apr 24, 2004

bubbagump, no age group men get as hign a percentage of replies from Russian women as do men in Yorkman's age group.

Many guys are somewhat surprised when I discuss this with them. Men from low 50's to low 60's will, on average, get three times the number of replies as do men in there 30's and 40's.

Why is this?

Before going any further let me say this is one man's opinion.

There are a great number of men, mostly from about 36 to 50, who are writing, seeking ladies from 22 to 34.

There are those who also write the 19 year olds and the 48 year olds, but the greatest number of ladies seem to be from 22 to 34.

There are a GREAT number of ladies from 35 to 45 who have very few men writing them.

When a man run's a personal ad and he is seeking ladies from 33 to 44 ( a range many guys in there 50's and lower 60's seem to write and indicate in their ad) he had better get ready for a LOT of replies.

Sure, out of every 10 replies he will usually find about 1.5 to 2 ladies who might interest him but if he finds one out of 20, with the number of ladies writing, he will usually end up with quite a few winners.

When a guy in this age group sends out a well worded letter of introduction to many ladies whose addresses he bought, he will also get much higher response rate on average compared to guys in there mid-30's and 40's.

One of the weakest area's for these men to seek wifes, in my opinion, is from the internet. Yes, there will be many ladies in there mid 30's to early 50's also responding, but here you will also get so many young 22, 24, 26 year olds writing these same men. Here is where some older men began to wonder, hummmmm, maybe that 23 year old is mature for her age and me being 55 is really no big deal.

For smart, strong willed older men, the i-net can only help increase the number of potential canidates.

For the not so smart older man, it will sink him.

[Yorkman]

... in response to Questions (chime in Jack, please), posted by BubbaGump on Apr 24, 2004

Hi Bubba:

First, I can say that you and I seem to be having polar opposite experiences and ideas about this venture.  I have addressed some of these issues before, but you seem not to be remembering what I said.

I told you below about the 49 y.o. lady who won me over and you immediately said you suspected a scam.  49 y.o. ladies DO NOT RUN SCAMS.

The most important thing you have to understand and remember is that I AM NOT WRITING TO TEENY BOPPERS AND 20 SOMETHING PHOTO MODELS.  PLEASE REMEMBER THIS and factor it into all of your thinking.  I am sticking religiously to no more than 15 years below my age.

Another thing, you cannot expect these ladies to understand something like you are telling them:  "I am unemployed but am well to do."  So don't say such things or even hint at them; and this applies to 100 other things that you have to think about from their perspective.

I also have a strange employment situation and actually am finacially secure enough that I don't really have to work, but I am not telling this to them.  Just say something like you are a management consultant or whatever and have flexible hours that you set yourself.

As to response rate; there are multiple steps to this question when you use the free or monthly fee sites like Free Russian Personals, Match Doctor, Absolute Agency, and Lucky Lovers that I am using.

First, you should send out a ton (like 150 -200) to gals on each site.  Reason:  Because the OPEN RATE is less than 20%.  That means they never even return to the site to check to see if they have any mail.

Second, once a gal has OPENED my initial letter, the RESPONSE rate has been about 90%.

Third, during the 2nd and 3rd messages, both the ladies and myself do some screening which cuts it down to less than half left from the 90% who respond.  I have no idea why the gals drop me; but from my screening I drop them when it is apparent they have no English skills, they send form letters, they send a second picture which indicates they weigh substantially more than their posted pic, they are actually from a different city than their profile states, they tell me they can't get 5-6 days off from work during my visit dates, etc., etc., etc.

Fourth, no one is cutting it off when I tell them I am soon coming.  THERE AREN'T SCAMMERS IN MY TARGET AGE GROUP.