Ukrainian women: Early analysis

[Yorkman]

I have just started the process of lining up women to meet for my upcoming trip to Ukraine.  I have done this before, but it was a few years back.

Contrary to the stories you read here, I have not had one bit of problem with scammers on the match sites (absolute agency, etc.) with monthly fees.  I am only contacting women within 15 years of my age, so that might explain the lack of scammers.

A big problem is that many of the ladies list on these sites, and get no activity for a long time, and they stop checking the e-mail boxes that my messages are forwarded to.

I have also had a reliable person place ads in several newspapers.  These have turned out to be the biggest waste of time and money ever.  Sure, they are great if your ego is stroked by a ton of responses.  But, so far I have had zero worthwhile responses from the ads.

All of the hype by agencies, and gushing by guys on these boards have really gone to the head of these women in Ukraine (and Russia).  They all think they are beautiful and slim.  It is a real joke.  I have gastly looking women sending me pictures and saying, 'everyone knows of the beauty of Ukrainian women.'

Before I had problems in getting the message across that I wanted a slender woman.  So I upped the ante and stated 'very slender.'  It makes no difference; even the average to somewhat overweight respond that they are very slender.  Today I got a message from a woman who was 5 feet 2 inches weighing 200 pounds.  She said she was: "a little overweight."

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Ukrainian women: Early analysis, posted by Yorkman on Apr 1, 2004

Yeah, I had the same reaction:
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Yorkman wrote:
"I have also had a reliable person place ads in several newspapers. These have turned out to be the biggest waste of time and money ever. Sure, they are great if your ego is stroked by a ton of responses. But, so far I have had zero worthwhile responses from the ads."

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I used a "reliable" person to place my ads, and got deluged by the same type of woman you describe...

The best response I got was by placing my own ad (it was a LOT cheaper, too), and including three important things:

1. ONLY my email address. This limited my responses to women who already had access to the internet, which was a fairly good filter.

2. Ask for a response in English. If the woman can get her own translations done (or, better yet if she speaks English) it will save you time and money.

3. Included the date (not too distant) that I was going to Ukraine.

YMMV, but that made a big difference for me.

Oh, and when you say this:

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Yorkman wrote:

"All of the hype by agencies, and gushing by guys on these boards have really gone to the head of these women in Ukraine (and Russia)."
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You are SOOOO right! My wife tells me about the ads the agencies are placing in Ukriane, and they are basically promising women that Rich Americacn men are dying to meet them -- no matter what they look like.

Keep slugging, is the best advice I could give you.  But, I would definitely try to increase the "squelch" on your ads, so the number of responses you have to wade through goes down.

It's hard to keep your hopes up when 200 letters come in, and they are all from women you wouldn't cross the street for, let alone the world...

Good luck!

[tfcrew]

... in response to Ukrainian women: Early analysis, posted by Yorkman on Apr 1, 2004

Would keep you warm in the wintertime..

[romachko]

... in response to Ukrainian women: Early analysis, posted by Yorkman on Apr 1, 2004

I agree with you. I contracted with a well known MOB agent to post my ad in a douzen major Russian and Ukrainian papers. They cited several men for saying they received more letters than they could handle. I got NONE. I had much better rate of success by writing to ladies listed on MOB sites. I received reply 20% of ladies, to whom I sent my letters. I have not encountered an apparent scam. Each girl wrote about herself, her family, pet, and other rather private matters. None of them sent me a generic letter or E-mail. Also, they asked me questions about myself. None of those questions addressed my financial situation, which somewhat surprised me. However, this is only my experience. There could be success stories about putting ad in FSU papers but I like to hear their first hand, not hear-say, success stories. By the way, none of the women, with whom I have had correspondence, was outrageously-breathtakingly beautiful while they were above average in my opinion.

While there are some patterns and common denominater in MOB matters, each case is unique. I went to Ukraine to see only one girl. My agent was utterly surprised because all of his other clients were meeting at least three to five girls. Well, I was interested in sight-seeing as much as seeing a woman. I have been keeping E-correspondence with her for the last three years and I went to see her three more times. In the meantime we had pre-marital honeymoon twice in Istanbul. Last year I finally decided to settle down and filed a petition with the Nebraska office. It took LONG-9 months before they approved. Last week the NVC notified me that they were forwarding my pre-approved petition to Kiev. A successful story? Who knows--but life is to take chances.

[thesearch]

... in response to Re: Ukrainian women: Early analysis, posted by romachko on Apr 1, 2004

If I might ask, what age difference do you and your lady have?

[Globetrotter]

... in response to Re: Re: Ukrainian women: Early analysis, posted by thesearch on Apr 1, 2004

If I remember correctly, he is 40 years her senior.

[tbirdjoy]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Ukrainian women: Early analy..., posted by Globetrotter on Apr 2, 2004

Now there's a receipt for success!

Mark

[Jack]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Ukrainian women: Early a..., posted by tbirdjoy on Apr 4, 2004

well,....give or take a year or two.

[romachko]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Ukrainian women: Early analy..., posted by Globetrotter on Apr 2, 2004

My experience may not apply to everyone but I am still puzzled.

Many men write a sexually explicit letter in the first correspondence. Unbelievable? Can you imagine how her mother reacts? Maybe, these guys are not looking for their wives but then why do they choose a girl, who is dressed and posed like a schoolteacher, which she actually is. Why don't they choose more sexy looking girls? Three years after she withdrew her resume from her MOB site, she still receives letters. She says that there are not many letters, which are decent and sincere. I have been selected by elimination, maybe, Da?

[romachko]

... in response to Re: Re: Ukrainian women: Early analysis, posted by thesearch on Apr 1, 2004

Astronomical difference.

[thesearch]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Ukrainian women: Early analy..., posted by romachko on Apr 1, 2004

Well I hope you have your legal issues covered. I would certainly protect myself as these types of marriages can be nothing more than a civil form of prostitution in the final analysis and if so, the prostitute is going to come to collect. That is no problem as long as she does not try to collect more than the fair market value for her services.
So, make sure there are no peaches in the tree.

Hey it may work but, expect either and only one needs to be prepared for.

Best of luck to you.

[Globetrotter]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Ukrainian women: Early a..., posted by thesearch on Apr 6, 2004

What a nice way to put his situation.  I have long refrained from any comments on his upcoming marriage, as I am more of a "bull in the china shop" on some subjects, and try to respect my elders.  If LP was still onboard, I would be saying, "down boy, down boy!"

Long odds for me are 5 or 10:1.  I was very disappointed with someone I had known for over 3 years, countless visits,
and within 5 years of my age.  When you really need to step back and say...look at the way things really are, as opposed to the way you would like them to be...many just can't do it.  They think they can live the dream, be blissfully happy, and never think of what may go wrong.  And, just remember, you only control 50% of that equation if you are the best of the best.  The other 50% is up to your significant other.

Well, I hope things work out for them as well...but I would bet that his odds are, well, significantly higher!

[thesearch]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ukrainian women: Ear..., posted by Globetrotter on Apr 6, 2004

Hey Globe,

I know what you mean. I met a very beautiful and very pleasant lady and invested a lot of time into her. She however was 15 years younger than myself which was stretching. After I wrote her a couple times I decided that I should focus on a woman closer to my own age. She told me that I was not too old and encouraged me to continue with her. Well, it turns out that she was damaged goods from sexual abuse with emotional issues secondary to such. I ultimately determined that she was too much of a risk.

This all surfaced on our second trip although something was telling me that something was not right but I could not put my finger on it till then. It ultimately did not work out --- from issues that I could have no control over. We parted as friends and when this took place she let me know that the age difference was an issue with her although not stated before - in fact that opposite.

There are women who truly want older men and there are those that really don't but will tell you so. You can not control that either.

[mudd]

... in response to Ukrainian women: Early analysis, posted by Yorkman on Apr 1, 2004

i feel your pain!!!!!! i did the same thing a while back, total waste of time for me also. every woman is beautiful in their own way, but you got to be attracted to her for it to work.

[Jack]

... in response to Re: Ukrainian women: Early analysis, posted by mudd on Apr 1, 2004

with personal ads, expect to have interest in 1.5 to 2 out of every 10 ladies on average.

Almost all women think they are "attractive". Even the dogs.

There could be several reasons why one's ads response rate are so-so.  The quality of the photo, the wording of the ad, the ease at which you offer the ladies to contact you (such as offering a local address and phone number instead of e-mail. Many ladies reading the newspapers maybe timid to use a computer), the circulation and quality of the newspaper, the time of year you run the ad (such as not running ad from last week of July thru first week of September).