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[Zorrowins]

Good Post Jack! I usually post on the Latin Board, but this particular post was recommended!
Thanks!

[Jack]

... in response to To Jack-Re:Let's talk about somehing unc..., posted by Zorrowins on Jan 22, 2004

seeee senior Zorrowins, hey you and that wizard dude might want to take a second look at some of these fine fsu ladies. You like dark hair, dark eyes, sexy women? They got lot's of them in the fsu.

I used to hunt a lot in Mexico, muye grande deer. At night we would go into whatever local cities were close and drink, dance with the many fine young ladies happy to see us gringo's. (those were some fun and exciting days). The problem as I saw it in comparing these Mexican ladies with fsu ladies is where all the tamales and tacos were going in these Mexicans ladies once they hit 30.

Senior Zorrow, and/or senior Wizard, with respect to Mexican/Latin ladies I was wondering if they were that much different than Russian ladies. How long would you think you should know one of these ladies before asking her to marry you?  How many visit's, how much time together, do you visit the families first? Let's say you wrote one Mexican lady for a couple of months, then flew to Monterrey to meet her for the first time. If you liked this lady how long would the average guy wait before he asked the average Latin lady to marry him?

[wizard]

... in response to Re: To Jack-Re:Let's talk about somehing..., posted by Jack on Jan 23, 2004

Hey Jack,

Not sure how I got included in your post, but I'll bite...

As you well know, there are the whackos that propose marriage to a girl after meeting them for the first time... These are the same guys that cry foul after they have "bought the cow" and scream scammer once they realise they don't know the person they married... Doesn't matter if the girls are from the FSU, Latin America, Asia or Katmandu... And just what does it say about a woman who would accept a marriage proposal from someone they have just met??? Hmmm...

Then there are those of use who are more rational in our behaviour... You take the time the date, yes, date a girl, get to know the family, absorb their culture and appreciate them for who they are... Then and ONLY then should a person even consider marriage...

I had considered searching / traveling to the FSU early on in this endeavor... I had always wanted to travel to the FSU for pleasure, to absorb the culture and differences between our societies... Like most of us, I grew up in the Cold War era where the FSU was known as the evil empire... Could these people and their idiology be that different than ours??? Well, after many false starts and a few email scammers along the way, I abandoned my desire to search in the FSU... I then began to focus on Latin America for many reasons... One main factor is that I could travel to many locations in Latin America from my home in less than 5 hours... Try going anywhere in the FSU from the US in that time frame, NOT...

I can't speak for the "average" guy, but I knew my wife for 8 months before we were married... Because of my schedule, I was able to spend 1 week every month with mi novia in Latin America... When not together, we emailed / spoke on the phone daily... Had my fiance been in the FSU, I would not have been able to afford the time / expense to spend this much time together... I met her family, friends and co-workers... I can actually say that we were prepared for the future BEFORE I popped the question... A luxury that many men in this pursuit cannot claim...

As far as  chicas adding pounds to the lower extremities after hitting 30... Well, my wife is over thirty, 5'3" tall and weighs 92lbs... She eats twice as much as I do and never puts on a pound... Like the old saying goes, if you want to know what a girl will look like in 20 years, just look at her Mother...

After all, it's all about picking the right girl...

Sorry to be so long-winded, I justed wanted to cover the topic...

Mark

[Jack]

... in response to Well..., posted by wizard on Jan 26, 2004

Thanks Wizard.

Just trying to see, or get other opinion's, from guys who were familiar with Latin ladies.

As I read your comments, as other guys have commented on, it appears there is little difference between what is considered the norm in dating, proposing to Latin women as compared to Russian women.

[BubbaGump]

... in response to Re: To Jack-Re:Let's talk about somehing..., posted by Jack on Jan 23, 2004

Yeah, before long you'll have a Texas BMW (Big Mexican Woman).

[Albert]

... in response to Re: Re: To Jack-Re:Let's talk about some..., posted by BubbaGump on Jan 23, 2004

I know some people in Texas and they indicate the saying is: Put a ring on the Mexican gals finger and 30 pounds goes into her jeans . . . . and they aren't referring to a pregnancy.

[Jack]

... in response to Re: Re: To Jack-Re:Let's talk about some..., posted by BubbaGump on Jan 23, 2004

seeeee. I will ask my Russian bride if this is ok, but I think she will say noooo.

[surfscum]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: To Jack-Re:Let's talk about ..., posted by Jack on Jan 23, 2004

That's a phrase latins use to describe themselves: of all colors and of all flavors. For most americans, Mexico is the lens through which we see all of the regions south of our border. That is a grossly distorted lens. But there is one way in particular that Mexico exemplifies most of Latin America and that is the dichotomy of Spanish/European culture and indigenous culture. Those women you see in the tight clothing and 30 pounds overweight are most likely from a rural area more influenced by local traditions than by Spanish.

Jack, you ask a lot about averages for this and that, but I don't think anyone can make a definitive statement. Do you have those averages worked out for guys operating in the FSU? If so, does anyone really follow them?

Personally, anyone who goes to a foreign culture AND DOESN'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE and gets engaged in a short period is a few beets short of a borsht, be it Russian, Asian or Latin. Family is VERY important in most parts of the world, so getting to know my future in-laws, cousins, etc. is one way to know your gf. I have done this the hard way and have been going down for a year and a half now because I will not marry someone I don't know. I wouldn't do it here, and I won't do it because it's expedient with a foreign woman. I will say that sometimes I really think I am nuts to go through this process, but when I think about the gem of a woman who wants to marry me and the future we will have together and because I KNOW HER I don't have real doubts.

I do have the impression that the FSU bride search is riskier due to organized scams. It seems that among latins, it's more on a personal level: guy moving too quickly meets woman willing to use that to her advantage.

Dos vedanyas
(How much is una vedanya?)

[LP]

... in response to De todos colores, de todos sabores., posted by surfscum on Jan 24, 2004

...Good post, especially about the language part. If guys put a tenth of the effort into learning it that they do with other things they could kiss the entire MOB thing off. They could simply go there and meet women. For every woman on an agency there are hundreds who're interested in meeting foreigners but too embarressed to advertise themselves like so much meat. And for each one of them there are thousands more who still have an interest in "exotic" foreign men (same as we see them as women). My experience along these lines suggests you already have the advantage as a foreigner and speaking the language makes meeting non MOB women a cake walk.

Learning the lingo frees you from nearly everything that makes this business stink. Agencies, translation charges, misunderstandings, on and on. Not to mention opening up a larger pool of sincere women, permitting better freedom of movement abroad, and allowing you to converse with someone's friends and family. It might also help the confidence problem many MOB men seem to suffer around women in general. And a new language stays with you forever, something your MOB bride may not.
Why more don't do it has always been a mystery to me, it's power to solve problems should be glaringly obvious.

[Zink]

... in response to Dead on...., posted by LP on Jan 24, 2004

This is what I did. I did have some help with introductions but the communications were entirely up to me and the ladies. It even opens up the market on ladies that aren't interested in foreigners(like my wife). Not all the women in Russia are dying to leave. But if they meet a nice guy who can speak the language they might stick around long enough to get to know you. Even speaking Russian badly will open up a lot of doors. They tended to be pretty forgiving about how I mangle the language. Heck, I almost got adopted by half the older ladies in my wife's neighbourhood because I seemed polite and a little helpless. You want introductions to young women, make friends with the older women(works better if you're not after an extreme age difference). If they like you they'll round up girls to meet you. Too bad I was already taken when I figured that one out.

[TwoBitBandit]

... in response to Dead on...., posted by LP on Jan 24, 2004

I've been studying Russian for well over a year now.  Seriously--I work on it about an hour a day.  I have a Russian-native teacher with a Ph.D. in linguistics that I meet with twice a week.  It is more difficult than any language I have studied.  It has grammar on steriods.

I agree with you, LP--learning Russian is definitely worth it.  But it's not easy.  It's not like learning Spanish.  So I can understand why a lot of guys don't do it.

[LP]

... in response to On learning Russian..., posted by TwoBitBandit on Jan 24, 2004

[This message has been edited by LP]


...and how difficult if can be for them:

1) The bandage was wound around the wound.
2) The farm was used to produce produce.
3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.
4) We must polish the Polish furniture.
5) He could lead if he would get the lead out.
6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.
7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.
A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.
9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.
10) I did not object to the object.
11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid.
12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.
13) They were too close to the door to close it.
14) The buck does funny things when the does are present.
15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.
16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.
17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail.
18) After a number of injections my jaw got number.
19) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear.
20) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.
21) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?

Let's face it - English is a crazy language. There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger. Neither apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren't invented in England or French fries in France. Sweetmeats are
candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are meat. We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.

And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham? If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth beeth? One goose, 2 geese. So one moose, 2 meese? One index, 2 indices? Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend.

If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them,what do you call it? If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, are humanitarians cannibals?

Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell? How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites? And why doesn't Buick rhyme with quick?

[old guy]

... in response to On learning English....., posted by LP on Jan 27, 2004

Is this original?  If so, may I please be allowed to forward this to a few of my "hillbilly" friends who struggle with the written/spoken word.  This shold torture them greatly.

[LP]

... in response to Re:  On learning English....., posted by old guy on Jan 30, 2004


....I'm far too stupid to come up with that on my own but thanks for asking. It's in the public domain though, so feel free to send it to people like wsbill...

[Ken W]

... in response to On learning Russian..., posted by TwoBitBandit on Jan 24, 2004

After six months I'm about halfway through Pim's Russian II. This method (although not ideal, obviously) suits me because I have a 40 minute commute to work every day - Just pop in the disk, and drive to work. Actually gets the old gray matter working and I arrive more awake than before.

While I would never advocate such a thing, The Pimsluer lessons are all over the file-sharing world - should you choose to go that route

Ken Williams