Receiving Emails

[Travis]

I know this is going to be a bit of a dumb question and I have sorta already formed an opinion of my own, but I'd like to see others opinion on this. I realize it's typical when a woman first begins writing for her to use pre-written letters...sorta to weed out who she is and is not interested in. But how many letters would this continue for before a red flag goes up? I got a letter from a lady, 6th letter, it's word for word the same as her third...except for a little change in the beginning of the letter. Seems to me that it would be normal for the first few, maybe up to three letters to be pre-written form letters, but 6?

[peter2s]

... in response to Receiving Emails, posted by Travis on Sep 25, 2003

and maybe it is good to keep in mind that
after you are sure it is a fake letter scam,
it is not such a great idea to be giving that writer
new lessons on why you did not believe them.
when i have got those kind of scam letters,
it can be  satisfying to reply & mention that
i thought it to be fake at the start [and why]..
but i'd rather save time, quit them, and give them no more
info on how to improve their fiction letters for the next guy.  

[Travis]

... in response to Re: Receiving Emails, posted by peter2s on Sep 28, 2003

I wrote back to her and said "you already said this to me and I answered". I should have just not answered at all. Good advice, thanks

[AllenB]

... in response to Receiving Emails, posted by Travis on Sep 25, 2003

I learned from an earlier mistake before I found this board to be very careful about international love.  My wife and I have discussed this and it is very prevalent over there for a girl to be recruited by an agency to simply pose for some photographs for money and receive a monthly income from correspondence.

Do not be completely discouraged because there are very many beautiful girls that would love to meet a nice man.  Many of my wife's girlfriends never thought of international marriage because they were told many false stories about American men but when Anna and I married they all wanted to know if there where other American men like me.

I'm no genious or expert but my criteria was that she needed to give me her telephone number and address by the third letter or it was over.  I didn't realize that about 25% or more of the girls don't have their own telephone there but if they are interested they will give you their friends telephone number and they will be sure to be there when you say you will call.

Travis,  this is just me but I never sent a scripted letter or email to any girl and any girl that ever sent the same to me was immediately eliminated.  I read your tragic story and I am very sorry for your terrible experience.  Keep in mind that in every culture there is good and bad.

If you have any questions or just need a sounding board I'd be happy to help.

Best of luck,
Allen

[SimonSays]

... in response to Receiving Emails, posted by Travis on Sep 25, 2003

It's a shame that there are so many dishonest women on these sites. I've met scammers in agencies and the free personals both. Agencies which help a woman with translation can be dishonest.  It's not always easy to tell if the woman you are writing to genuinely likes you or is receiving a payback from the agency on the money she's bringing into them with her letters.  Keep checking the scammer sites.  As we try and build a friendship, it would be nice if our only concern was whether or not a woman is going to like us, not whether she is going to try and scam us.

[Frank O]

... in response to Receiving Emails, posted by Travis on Sep 25, 2003

6 does seem bad. Usually the first 3. I would say.I would recommend placing an ad for YOU. Then YOU get to respond to them. I did that & I'll be getting married in a couple of weeks/days.

[tim360z]

... in response to Receiving Emails, posted by Travis on Sep 25, 2003

If you don't have the girls physical address (where she lives) And you don't have an actual telephone #, imho....you are wasting your time.  Unless of course you like writing letters.  And,  don't send any $$$.

[Streetwise]

... in response to Receiving Emails, posted by Travis on Sep 25, 2003

Travis, I have had instances where the scam was pretty obvious (all letters "canned" and not relating to anything I'd said in my letters.) I have also had a combination of the two; that is, out of a string of letters with one girl, I have received specific references to my own letters and questions, but intermingled with these was a letter which contained 2 paragraphs that were identical to one of her previous letters, word for word. I had this girl's postal address (I was only using email for speed) so I wrote her by registered post in Russian to tell her that the agency she was using  for translation/emails was probably not translating her letters accurately. They were probably making a lot of it up, or cutting and pasting from their archives. I understand that she was paying them, probably by the word, so it was in their interests to "fatten up" the letters.  

I am still in contact with this girl, but only by registered post and telephone. And I hope to meet her this autumn.

By the way, do you have this lady's home address and/or telephone? The agency won't want to give them to you because they don't want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, but if you can get this information it will indicate that she is probably for real. Otherwise, after 6 generic letters, it's probably time to kick it into touch before you build your hopes up further, and concentrate on other more promising prospects.

[Travis]

... in response to Re: Receiving Emails, posted by Streetwise on Sep 26, 2003

No, I don't have an address or phone number. She hasn't asked for any money...yet, I suspect that's due soon if I write back. Too bad, she's drop dead gorgeous and seems perfect in every way. Which is likely how she wants to sound and look.

I just had another whom I thought had serious potential tell me her agency needed $99.95 a month to continue the email and translations. I think it's time to drop that too.

I have one other that I'm waiting to ask for money. Her last letter, third, was VERY sexually explicit. I won't go into detail :-)

[lswote]

... in response to Re: Re: Receiving Emails, posted by Travis on Sep 26, 2003

For a guy who has just been raked through the coals by a Russian ex-wife, you don't seem to have learned anything.  I felt bad for you when LP laid into last week but apparently he was too soft on you because you are carrying on like you have no idea what bad things might await you with the wrong woman.

Drop every one of these users and try to find someone who is actually decent.

[LP]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Receiving Emails, posted by lswote on Sep 27, 2003

[This message has been edited by LP]

... I was kinda floored at all that myself but you know, not my place to say anything. Powerful queer he's chompin at the bit so soon...or is it? Not really, if one looks at how the majority of men react to failed relationships. And MOB types seem even more bizzare on the rebound.

As for those who say we need such posts...come on. Are MOB men *that* stupid? Do they really need this kind of "education" to learn stuff that's common sense? Stuff we all should've learned by the time we were 16?

Keerist, next we'll be hearing about how you shouldn't marry a girl after two weeks or simply because she's hot, never to send her money, or that you shouldn't believe everything she tells you. What stuns me is that guys do it by the thousands.

Just bloody amazing what I read here sometimes. Hey Doc, you listening?

[Travis]

... in response to Yeah...., posted by LP on Sep 30, 2003

Got a point...explain this...your reason for being in this forum........This is what you put in your profile....I think your just bored and have no life.....maybe your a bit sick. Get some counciling.....not from us by the way.

interested alright....interested as to what makes these guys tick!

[LP]

... in response to Re: Yeah...., posted by Travis on Sep 30, 2003

[This message has been edited by LP]

...deleted. Served it's purpose.

[WmGo]

... in response to Uh..., posted by LP on Sep 30, 2003

you do a great job of balancing
the board and bringing reality
into the subject, even if in a
sometimes rough manner. Better
for someone to be a little roughed
up here than going through pain and
misery later. Besides, men should have
a sense of political unity in regards
to this subject - a sense of wanting to
look out for each other as fellow men, and also
fellow Americans (and Westerners - don't want
to leave out our Canadian, British,Aussie and
Scandanavian brothers).

As I have said
before, most Western men are shark
bait in FSU. If they would do their
homework before leaping headfirst into
the abyss and apply some common sense to
human relations and behavior
it would go a long way to avoiding a crash and
burn scenario.

As has been said, "an ounce of prevention
is worth a pound of cure."

I hereby dubb you "Keeper of the pooch" -

[Travis]

... in response to Uh..., posted by LP on Sep 30, 2003

Do me a small favor then...do please cut me a little slack. I know and have admitted over and over again my mistakes. I'll explain them when I can. I have a few more weeks of legal issues and the b1tch has a few more weeks of vacation. After October 8th, I'll give the whole story...once she's in county jail :-) Peace till then?

BTW, I ain't nuthin like DavidSD...I'm not a genius...at least I don't think I am. I don't even know what IQ number is a genius. I doubt he does either. Also, I don't watch nascar....or the Astros anymore :-)