" Proceed with Caution!!!!

[Globetrotter]

... in response to " Proceed with Caution!!!!, posted by jrm on Jul 2, 2003

Been about 3 years for me.

1. Scammed....well, not really, as I got my moneys worth.  
  Lied to...to be expected.
2. Never mugged.  Been in a few fights.  They lost.  Keep
  them eyeballs in the back of your head like an Isreali.
3. Smack...never used him but seems helpful and would use
  him if needed.
4. Buy your plane before you leave.  Some nice ones can be
  had cheaper than a new Corvette.
5. Depressing sights...try Calcutta, hell on earth.  To know
  what "standard of living" actually means, is good.
6. Testify to their love...that's to be expected.
7. Sex...if it was fun, don't complain.
8. Not married yet?  When it's right and you feel good about
  the situation, maybe then you will be.

I think it takes a really special blend of several skills,
and your head and thought process on straight to succeed.  Also, being realistic doesn't hurt either.  I know of only one other person who I would suggest this process to.

I've had a brutal month.  Lost my Dad, my best friend, and my dog inside of 30 days.  But, we're keeping the "shiny side up."

[KenC]

... in response to Re: " Proceed with Caution!!!!, posted by Globetrotter on Jul 3, 2003

Globe,
Interesting that there are so many "whiney" posts here regarding their bad luck, yet someone like you, with true losses, just mentions them in passing.  Shows the high caliber of man you are.  My heart goes out to you.
KenC

[Bobby Orr]

... in response to Re: " Proceed with Caution!!!!, posted by Globetrotter on Jul 3, 2003

Too bad you are fighting over there.  It sure can not help relations - and can get you in a whole lot of trouble.  You have been very lucky.

[Globetrotter]

... in response to Everyone loses in a fight, posted by Bobby Orr on Jul 3, 2003

I have never picked a fight in my life and have been more cautious than most...also been more places than most.  If a guy pulls a 9 mil on you and is 15 ft away, you throw him your wallet (the one with the 20 and 10 singles, and the expired credit cards).  If he pulls a knife, and looks like he won't let you go even after he has your goods, you make sure he can't follow. Never if you've only been insulted or pushed or cursed at.  For that, you apologize, beg his pardon, and back out. Only, and only as a last resort do you break things, but these are bad, bad guys. Understand?

Foreign relations?  What are you talking about?  Scum is scum.  Probably saved him from doing it to someone else.

[John K]

... in response to Re: Everyone loses in a fight, posted by Globetrotter on Jul 3, 2003

What techniques do you use in hand-to-hand?  Are you using martial arts or do you use more hand-to-hand combat techniques, like SCARS?  

Just curious...

[Globetrotter]

... in response to Just out of curiousity..., posted by John K on Jul 3, 2003

A head but to the nose, grab the weapon hand, turn palm up, and bend/break the elbow over your shoulder.  A spin kick to the knee cap is tae kwon do.  Close in, uppercuts wokk wonderfully.

[thesearch]

... in response to Re: Just out of curiousity..., posted by Globetrotter on Jul 3, 2003

asd

[hockeybrain]

... in response to Re: Everyone loses in a fight, posted by Globetrotter on Jul 3, 2003

Agree with everything you say.  I am now just sorry you had to raise your blood pressure when you were on vacation.

[LP]

... in response to " Proceed with Caution!!!!, posted by jrm on Jul 2, 2003

[This message has been edited by LP]

1) Exactly the same. Minor scam by one, lied to by many. I was a newbie at the time.

2) Never had a problem. The people are exceedingly friendly and if you use common sense you'll be ok. Mugged? Yer breakin my heart, I was once robbed in the Detroit airport while standing at a urinal taking a whiz...now *that* was embarressing.

3) Although I never dealt with agencies per say, Smack has helped me when I asked and never asked anything of me in return. He's a little rough around the edges at times but I believe him to be honest and have the best interests of people at heart.

4) I own two airplanes, bought before my FSU adventures began. Forget buying, just operating one of them makes going to the FSU for four years look like a bargain.

5) The same...whats your point?

6) The same...and it was a good thing. It helped to seperate the wheat from the chaff. As long as you ain't desperate it's not a problem.

7) Same thing....see the other poster's comment. It's the price of doing business. Frankly, I liked that part.

Also reluctant and have no need right now. One can have it all without that ball and chain. My experience is being married is mostly more trouble than it's worth. Amazingly, many don't learn this lesson and can't wait to jump back in. But I might do it when the time and person are right. (It'll take a hell of a lot more than the typical MOB scenerio to make it happen though.)

I agree with you that this isn't cheap, isn't head healthy, and many who do it are social misfits while a few are not. I agree this board can be pretty useless at times other than for entertainment. I also agree MOB is not worth the hassles and advise those thinking about it to not get involved.

I also think there are some fine women to be found there. I know, I've met some pure gold. But to find them was not worth all the BS I had to go through. In short, it's a poor method of finding a mate and I think most men eventually come to their senses and quit MOB as it exists in it's current form. At least those who are running on all clyinders. I think newbies are too naive to know better at first or are simply too desperate to see it clearly.

However, I don't regret a minute of it. I still go back on occasion to enjoy the country and people and if I end up stumbling upon the right one I would go for it. I stay away from women involved in MOB and only deal with those who aren't, those I meet when and where I chose. In short, normal interaction when I'm there and see what develops. It's a whole lot more relaxing and solves all the problems you mentioned when the trips are not geared to meeting women who are looking for who knows what.

[jrm]

... in response to Same here except...., posted by LP on Jul 3, 2003

L.P., you have had some good posts, the "flash light" and the recent post about the "visa change" to Kiev.

I don't know how many times I have been to Europe,too numerous to count. My passport is in the mail, getting another visa,business. Going back, not to look for a wife, but to have a "product" made in Ukraine, instead of China.
Because I love the country and the people. And I want to do a little to help.

My first three trips to Ukraine I took a room full of clothes to orphanages in Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk. Because I love children, and my heart hurt, seeing the many "disposable" children in Ukraine.

I have traveled to more countries than most. Been attached three times, but only mugged once, in St. Pete.

And to Ken c., I live in Missouri, not Kansas! Mom, lives in Texas. My post was not an attach, but a warning! Your personal attach, was what I expected from you, having read your posts for years. It is typical, and what are you doing spending so much time on this board and not with the "Mrs"c?

Women are women, wherever you find them! The women of the FSU, don't know that they can have love, stabiltiy and  a man in their generation , until they come here.

Best of Luck to Us All in Our Pursuit of Love and Happiness

[thesearch]

... in response to Well, I lied, I read some of the posts, posted by jrm on Jul 4, 2003

jrm, sounds like you are a nice chap --- orphans etc.

Somehow I sensed that something was not right with your post - just want sure what it was

jrm: "I don't post on this board or read it, because there is very little useful information, and a lot of opinions."

jrm: "And to Ken c., I live in Missouri, not Kansas! Mom, lives in Texas. My post was not an attach, but a warning! Your personal attach, was what I expected from you, having read your posts for years."

Above you state that you do not read anything on this board yet in the last quote you have been reading KenC's posts for years.

Why hide the truth? Just puzzles me coming from a guy who has such a big heart for orphans. Anyway, I wish the best of luck to you in finding whatever it is you are looking for.

[Philb]

... in response to " Proceed with Caution!!!!, posted by jrm on Jul 2, 2003

I have been involved in this process for 2.5 years and made 5 trips to the FSU.

1. I have never been scammed.

2.  I have never been a victim of a crime.  I once had a drunk pass out on the floor outside of my compartment on the train though.  (easily cured by a few swift kicks from the the 5 foot tall provodnitsa)

3.  My experience with agencies is pretty minimal.  But, the ones I have dealt with have been honest and helpful, even when their name rhymes with smack.

4.  No, this is not cheap, but I typically find that once I am there I spend less money per day then I would at home.  I also tend to go to the smaller cities and towns where lodging cost are minimal.

5.  I agree, but I must say that even the "depressing" sites have added to my life experience and appreciation of what I have been given in life.  These things have also given me the opportunity to help others.

6 and 7.  The women I have gone to meet have all been sincere.  Yes, all of them.  I have made many friends, some of whom are very pretty women.  Of course, some of the woman I wrote to were less than sincere, but I think that for the most part this is easily recognized.  If something would be to good to be true here, chances are it will be the same anywhere

8.  No, I am not married yet either.  When and if I meet the right woman I will get married regardless of where she lives.

All of my trips have been great.  I have experienced so many things that I could never have experienced if I had stayed at home.  I have gone mountain climbing in the Caucuses, back country skiing in the Altais, taught English in a Ukrainian school, spent several days on a Russian fishing boat in the Black Sea, promoted world peace, and above all met many wonderful people who I consider my friends (both male and female).  I would not trade any of these experiences for anything.

Now, will anyone else's experiences be the same as mine? of course not.  But they will be experiences.  Have I been lucky? Maybe. But I tend to think if you are informed and use a little common sense you should be able to avoid most problems.

So yes use some caution, be informed but above all just don't let caution leave you sitting at home on your Butt.

[thesearch]

... in response to A rebuttal, posted by Philb on Jul 3, 2003

You have been blessed or you have made your blessings -- I would guess the latter. Either you have a better attitude than our disgruntled poster, you are wiser or lucky. I do not think that it is luck. I get the feeling that you will find what you are looking for. Good luck to you.

[tfcrew]

... in response to A rebuttal, posted by Philb on Jul 3, 2003

The lead post isn't.

[jrm]

... in response to You're certainly believable..., posted by tfcrew on Jul 3, 2003

I didn't post for a while and I had to change my "name".