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Author Topic: How could THIS happen? An explaination  (Read 7020 times)
Howard
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« on: April 05, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

I have been wrestling with divulging this little tale for two reasons.  Manily, because I want to get on with my life--believe it or not :c)  LOL--and two because Gerlie comes here often.  She can't post, because she's a victim of the messed up password retreival system--Hint HINT :c)--but she reads everything!  Especially if it's by her favorite author :c)  Hi HONEY!  LOL

After talking to way too many people, I do know how everything went down.  I'm not real thrilled with the truth here, but I think it's time that I shared.  Especially seeing that there are so many differing opinions on our story.  I don't ever want to discourage anyone from their opinions, I always take everything with a grain of salt and have benefitted FAR more from the differing sentiments here than I have ever suffered.

So here it is.  THIS is what happened.  Obviously this is in my words, but the largest part is from Ayesa's own lips, the lips of people she trusted that couldn't bear her secret and from family that is disgusted by what has happened.  To the best of my knowledge this is the truth.  I have looked long and hard to find it.  Now I will share it with you in hopes of putting minds at ease and, as always, warning others that this could happen to them.  There is NO way of knowing.

Ayesa is very daring.  She enjoys shocking people.  It's all pretty good natured, but she relishes the role of being the "fearless one" in her peer group.

It all started innocently enough.  Her neighbor received an application for Forever Yours at school.  She thought about filling it out, but didn't have the courage to do it.  She confided in Ayesa and Ayesa's response was, "Give it to me... I'll do it!"  

That's how this started.  There was no group of evil family members conspiring to send the prettiest daughter to scam some rich American slob out of his money, promising him everything to get everything... I have said before, without this much detail, it just isn't as evil as some of you think.

Needless to say, Ayesa "did it"  And she "did it" without her parents knowledge, consent, nor approval.  She simply "did it" without considering the responsibility or potential consequences.  A child trying to shock other children.  That's what she was.

Does that make her innocent for her part in this?  Nope, but it certainly sheds a differnt light on this whole ordeal.

When she started receiving letters--which she NEVER thought she would receive--there was no way of hiding what she had done from her parents.  After she "did it" she never even gave it a second thought.  She NEVER had a plan.  She just "did it"

Now the cat's out of the bag.  There is a three month fight over this.  Ayesa is in the dog house MAJOR!  After a while she started reading the letters, which they kept in order by postmark.  She read them in order, because mine was the first to arrive.  I'm romantic and I write well.  She became infatuated with the idea of a knight in shining armor from an exotic foreign land, with streets paved in gold.  She bought the hype.

Now the family has warmed to this idea from a practical stand point.  Ayesa is difficult and not overly intelligent.  She is very pretty, but kind of wild and doesn't attract the best element of gentlemen callers in the barangay.  Her parents are genuinely concerned for her future.  Maybe this is the answer!

The select the chosen few.  Ayesa writes some return letters.  Some reply, some don't.  It has been an inordinatntly long time for response, even for the Filipino postal service.  But I am waiting for her letter, because I am positive we are somehow linked by fate.  Paaaaaaleeeeeeeessssseeee!  Sappy, but true.

Her letters are different than the others, probably because she is different.  For whatever reason she strikes me and we begin a serious correspondence.

After a few months of waiting WEEKS for letters that should arrive in seven days Ayesa simply got bored with the whole process and became disenchanted.  Motivated by anything BUT greed, initially at least, Ayesa's mother begins to ride her about not promptly returning correspondence.  Things like "You can't just keep starting things and not finishing them!" in visayan were yelled.  "Here is a good man that wants to marry you, you can't just walk away..."  This is how it started.

At first her mother would sit her down and make her write letters.  Then when Ayesa was defiant, her mother started writing them for her.  Actually, her mother did write me once to say that Ayesa was busy helping her father in the feilds at harvest and could not write at the moment, so she was just writing to let me know that Ayesa was still "very interested" and that work kept her from writingme at the moment.  Some time after that Mommie Dearest, just started writing for her.

When I made the commitment to visit there was a family council meeting held.  No doubt some elders spoke of financial gain.

When I made travel arrangements, I made them with her mother.  I didn't think anything of it.  Who would?  I just thought it was the way things go over there.  It was ALL foregin to me!

When I came, she enjoyed the celebrity status.  The focus of her entire village--and the surrounding barangays--was on her family.  The were gracious hosts and I had a great time.

Then everything began to set in.  The process was frustrating and lengthy.  Patience is NOT a virtue she possesses!  The closer we got to procuring a visa, the more she didn't want to go.  The more she resisted--never to my knowledge, of course--the more she was "advised to continue".  Her words.

She decided to give it a go because she did think I was a good guy.  Merely, thinking someone is a "Good guy..." does not a successful marriage make!

When she got her she was treated like a princess.  My family and friends were absolutely wonderful.  Everything was based around her.  What girls doesn't want to be a princess?

By the time the dust settled, we were married.  When day to day life began to become the norm, that's when she had the time alone--key word, alone.  Away from her parents and not obligated to do anything with her new family--to focus on her own thoughts.  That's when she finally realized the impact of her actions.

She's got a husband that she likes, but in no way is in love with.  A Mother-in-law that showers her with attention--the attention that she always wanted from her mother, but never felt she got.  Again her words--and new friends and family that don't speak her language.

That's when the trouble began to become apparent to me.  She withdrew adn became depressed.  The harder I tried, the more depressed she became.  I'm not gonna say that she was mature enough to feel guilt for actions, I have never seen than in her.  I'm sure it was more of a self pity party that she was throwing.  I wasn't invited!

Her plan was to piss me off and be a bad enough wife so that I would send her home, solving her problems.  Well she picked the wrong guy to give up on his marriage vows!  I wonder who is more irritated by that fact, her or me?  LOL

When that plan didn't work she looked for another opportunity.  It came last July.  She'd finally be rid of me and alone in the Philippines.  She didn't tell her parents a thing.  She just went to do what she could, but all they wanted was cash.  The first real cash we sent.  And the last.

Her plan was to do what she had to do for her father, which she reluctantly did through me, and then to dissappear in Tondo with friends she knew from her time there.

She told her aunt the truth and her aunt tried to support her.  Until her mother got word of everything by calling me to see if she got home.  Like I said earlier, Ayesa is not overly intelligent.  Her mother easily found her hiding at the aunt's, her mother's sister.  Why the aunt didn't stand up for her more is still a mystery, but I'm pretty sure it was because Ayesa was costing her money to board and she wasn't working, Ayesa that is.

The money that I sent and the money that Art gave to her in Manila--I don't mean to leave out his involvement, but you all know about that and I am running a bit long here now :c)--all went to her room and board.  It was supposed to be for airport taxes, but that was a lie.

I wanted her to come home because I still believed that we could work everything out.  Yes, I am the dumbest man in North America.

When I said "We will work these things out together..."  She heard "Come back here and we'll get the divorce you want..."

I admit I misled her, but she got the last laugh in an entirely joyless ordeal.  I wanted to trick her into councelling, she didn't buy it.  My hands were tied.

Ayesa is maybe more a victim of this than I, but in NO way blameless.  She had the power to stop everything before it got out of hand, but not the fearlessness that got her into this mess.

Do I hate her?  No.  I have a numbness toward her that only her absence can alieviate.  Will I send her back to the Philippines?  Yep.  Because it's what I need to happen.  Not because I promised her parents, not because it's the right thing to do--it IS the right thing to do--but because I just want her as far away from me as possible.  She was right about one thing.  Everything is MUCH easier if we don't see eachother.  I'm glad she had the balls to defy me and make that happen, I owe her one for that :c)

That's basicly all there is.  Hope no one fell asleep :c)

Keep the Faith guys.  Everything works out in the end.  I sure HOPE it does :c)

H

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Tim
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to How could THIS happen?  An explaination, posted by Howard on Apr 5, 2002

I appreciate your willingness to share the truth, as you painfully uncovered it. Remember that email I sent you once, when you were really feeling the pain of this ? Well, on April 17th you will have that "operation" I was talking about, and begin your road to recovery. You seem to be doing well already. I'm glad.

To comment on your story...yes you did blind yourself to alot, but it was her immaturity that wrecked things again and again. I would bet even money she has a guy on the string in Tondo, which none of your contacts knows about.

So is it correct to infer from your comments that after the annulment is final you are going to buy her a plane ticket home ? I can understand this, even support it, but for God's sake don't just give her cash. Buy a non-refundable ticket. Otherwise, the cash might disappear into that "sick father" fund again.

I have a hunch that if she does go home, she will be back on US soil within 2 years. She'll hang out in Manila for a while until the big city excitement wears off and/or her friends shame her into not being in America, where she can make a much better living. Or perhaps a boyfriend will convince her to come back here in a scheme to eventually bring him over, too. Anyway, if she does go back I would advise you to change your telephone number. If you don't it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she calls you sometime out of the blue, asking you for airfare to come back here, all in the name of "your long friendship".  

Congratulations, you have almost single-handedly brought me out of "retirement" here, lol.

Regards, Tim

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Howard
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Future Speculations..., posted by Tim on Apr 5, 2002

Timbo,

FOA, Thank You!  Your information is solid, as always :c)

I hope that all is well with you and Wendy, but know that everything is :c)

It's good to have you back for a while.  I have missed you, the board just isn't the same without you!  Many of us "Old Schoolers" try to keep the content up in your absence, but another informed voice never hurts :c)

I feel honored that I seem to be the one that can break your PL slumber :c), but so wish it was because of better circumstances than these!  LOL  Shhhhhheeessssssssshhhhh

Yep, you have it right.  There is nothing Ayesa can do to get a DIME out of me, not that she would try again anyway.  I will purchase her a non-refundable ticket back to the Philippines when she has signed the paperwork I need to be rid of this wholly flawed marriage for good.  I won't change my number, because too may people know it.  If Ayesa calls I have the conviction to deny her requests, but I HIGHLY doubt that she would call.  I don't doubt that she will reconsider her exhile from the land of Milk and Honey, but I won't be the one she calls, she has others here that she cares more about, but wouldn't do anything like front her the price of a ticket back.

There is nothing else I can do now except wait and hope that I haven't irrepairably damaged my chances for happiness, which I don't think I have :c)  I have learned one extremely crucial thing through all of this, I have NO control whatsoever over certain aspects of this situation.  That in itself is quite a revalation for me :c)

Gerlie keeps me strong, without her I don't know how I would be handling all of this, but somehow think I would find a way.  It just wouldn't be as fun :c)  LOL

I don't discount any possibilities for the future, but won't drive myself crazy hypothosizing moves I never understood in the first place.  The mode I am in now is just to move ahead and deal with whatever comes, when it comes.

I am very at peace with everything now and look forward to new challenges--and obstacles ;c)--in my quest for true love ;c)  Really I am over most emotion regarding this--anger as well--and just look forward to a new day without this as my calling card.  That's mostly why I was reluctant to post the story when I peiced that last few bits of info together.  By that time I was past it, but I do feel better now that it's out in the open and there is less conjecture.

I was serious about the question regarding a 10yr affidavit of support.  I missed that paragraph.  Of course, once she was here I was in for the long haul and stopped reading things as closely.  Silly me, I thought I wouldn't be worrying about INS after I was married.  Ooooops, my bad!  LOL

Keep the Faith bro!

Give my best to Wendy!

H

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Ray
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Welcome Back :c), posted by Howard on Apr 6, 2002

Hi Howard!

I don’t mean to scare you or anything, but I think you bring up a good point about the legal requirements of the Affidavit of Support. I think a lot of guys just sign these things without fully knowing their responsibilities. After a while, I guess it just becomes another one of those government forms that we need to sign in order to get our fiancée or spouse over here as soon as possible or to get the nagging INS paperwork over with. I’m not an attorney and I am only going by what I read, but I believe that your legal obligations can possibly extend well beyond the 10-year time frame mentioned in previous posts, depending on the individual circumstances. I think the 10-year figure applies mainly to the time that she would have to work continuously (40 quarters) before your obligation to support her would end. However, if she dies, leaves the country permanently, or becomes naturalized, then you could be off the hook a lot sooner. And Tim makes a good point also that you may never be asked to repay any benefits, but the affidavit is there on file in case a government agency or your former spouse decides to sue you down the road. But if I were you, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it :-)

For anyone out there who has filed or will file an I-864, I think you would be wise to read up on the legal implications, including change of address requirements, statute of limitations factors, etc.

Excerpts from the INS Web site:
http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/howdoi/affsupp.htm#faqs

What are My Responsibilities as a Sponsor?
When you sign the Affidavit of Support, you accept legal responsibility for financially supporting the sponsored immigrant(s) until they become U.S. citizens or can be credited with 40 quarters of work. Any joint sponsors or household members whose income is used to meet the minimum income requirements are also legally responsible for financially supporting the sponsored immigrant. If the immigrant receives any "means-tested public benefits," you are responsible for repaying the cost of those benefits to the agency that provided them. If you do not repay the debt, the agency can sue you in court to get the money owed. When in doubt, ask the benefit provider whether the benefit is a "means-tested public benefit."

Currently, Federal means-tested public benefits include Food Stamps, Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), and the State Child Health Insurance Program (CHIP). States and local jurisdictions may also designate certain of their programs as means-tested public benefits.

The following types of programs are not counted as means-tested public benefits: emergency Medicaid; short-term, non-cash emergency relief; services provided under the National School Lunch and Child Nutrition Acts; immunizations and testing and treatment for communicable diseases; student assistance under the Higher Education Act and the Public Health Service Act; certain forms of foster-care or adoption assistance under the Social Security Act; Head Start programs; means-tested programs under the Elementary and Secondary Education Act; and Job Training Partnership Act programs.
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Here are a few more excerpts from the INS FAQ pages at:
http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/publicaffairs/factsheets/affaqa.htm

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13. When does a sponsor's obligation to support sponsored aliens end?
The sponsorship obligation continues until the sponsored alien naturalizes, has worked or can be credited with 40 quarters of work, leaves the United States permanently, or dies. However, a sponsor or the sponsor's estate remains liable for any support or requests for repayment of benefits that arose before the support obligation ended.

14. Does divorce nullify the sponsorship agreement?
No, divorce does not nullify the sponsorship agreement.

1. How will the affidavit of support be enforced?
Agencies that provide means-tested public benefits to sponsored immigrants will be able to request reimbursement from sponsors for the amount of benefits that they provide and sue them if they do not repay. INS will provide information to benefit providing agencies on the names and addresses of sponsors; these agencies, not INS, will be involved in the enforcement of affidavits of support. If sponsors do not provide basic support to the immigrants they bring to the United States, the sponsored immigrants may sue their sponsors.

2. Can INS verify sponsorship information for benefit agencies?
Yes, INS currently provides certain benefit agencies with information that sponsors provided on the original affidavit of support. INS will have automated information on the name and address of sponsors and will make this information available to benefit agencies.

3. What is deeming?
If a sponsored immigrant applies for a means-tested public benefit, that agency will consider or "deem" the sponsor's income and resources as well as the income and resources of the sponsor's current spouse to be available to the sponsored immigrant in determining the eligibility of that sponsored immigrant for benefits. Deeming of the sponsor's income usually will make the sponsored immigrant ineligible for means-tested public benefits.
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Ray

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Tim
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Welcome Back :c), posted by Howard on Apr 6, 2002

I am not fully back -- just too busy to hang out here like I used to do. Most of my free net time goes to moderating the Yahoo group (265 people now). So I'll call it semi-retirement from PL.

Don't feel too bad, you are not the only one with a failed foreign marriage. Check out the Latin board. Ole JunFan, a disciple of Houndog's, posted that his marriage ended. From the gist of his post it was basically him that ended it. So much for the Tao of Houndog...

Wendy and I are doing great. She is taking classes at the University of Houston now. Our INS situation is still in the Black Hole of the Houston office, but it will eventually pop out. We're together and happy.

I changed our homepage to show a recent photo of us (Jan 2002). If you want to check it out, the URL is in my PL profile.

Regards, Tim

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Minnesota guy
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to How could THIS happen?  An explaination, posted by Howard on Apr 5, 2002

What a soap opera! I've generally followed this whole episode for months now and I could never figure it out. This post really ties it all together for me. I think it's a classic and should be recommended as mandatory reading for all of those who are looking at meeting a woman from the Philappines. Howard I really hope you have better luck in the future. After this you deserve it.
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Howard
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: How could THIS happen?  An explainat..., posted by Minnesota guy on Apr 5, 2002

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Bear
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to How could THIS happen?  An explaination, posted by Howard on Apr 5, 2002

that you look for the good in people and you were determined to make it work, you already know my ideas on divorce, but I think you give her to much credit for being a "good" person.  Some one who uses another knowingly, willingly and with the malace of fore thought should only be "forgiven" after punishment.  Especially when they are not asking for forgiveness.  She could have just as easily sent you a letter saying she was not interested than to fight with her parents about being involved.  She could have let you in on things from the begining believing you were a "good guy" so you'd know how to react and not get hurt, just too many things she could have done but didn't.  I mean the fact she likes Tondo says alot.  I would not wait for her to go home on her own, I seriously would send her there by claiming fraud to the INS.

BTW, Honey says Gerlie is much prettier than Ayesa (hehehe).

Bear and Honey.

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Howard
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to I know, posted by Bear on Apr 5, 2002

Art,

I think that's the same mistake alot of people make about this.  They assume that she thought about things ahead of time.  That's exactly the opposite of what happened.  She NEVER thought about anything!  This situation is the by-product of a lack of thought.  But whatever, what's done is almost done.

You know, you and Honey are not the first to say that Gerlie is prettier than Ayesa.  The funny thing is that I never thought of that.  In my opinion there is just no comparison.  No disrespect to either--ESPECIALLY not to Gerlie :c)--but they are two different people and my freindship with Gerlie is SOOOOOOO vastly different from anything I shared with Ayesa that comparison has never surfaced.  I think Gerlie is so special--and yes, beautiful :c)--in her own right that no one else enters my mind when I consider my future and forgive my maker his twisted path to enlightenment :c)  The end justifies the means, wouldn't you agree?  LOL

Fraud?  Nah.  If I could report her to the INS for immaturity, ignorance, selfishness, childishness, etc... I'd have so much paperwork going through there that they would hate me more than I dislike them!  But fraud constitutes intent.  To have intent you have to think.  Again, this is a situation where all the thinking was going on on one side of the Pacific.  But, whatever, it's almost over :c)

Give my best to Marissa :c)

Keep teh Faith Brutha!

H

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Humabdos
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to How could THIS happen?  An explaination, posted by Howard on Apr 5, 2002

send her packing 7000 miles aint far enough!  hum
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Howard
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Leave'n on a jet plane,    don't know wh..., posted by Humabdos on Apr 5, 2002

H,

I'm afraid if I send her any futher that she might start coming back!  LOL  That's what sucks about being on a round planet :c0  LOL

H

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kevin
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to How could THIS happen?  An explaination, posted by Howard on Apr 5, 2002

Don't feel bad at all.  Itr's an ugly experience that came your way.  Get this ordeal overwith.  I hope that Gerlie is the one, and please bear in mind that a truly nice girl does not need any skeletons in the closet.  Accept the fact that what happened with Ayesa is twisted and bizarre.  I knew it with intuition (supposed to be only a woman's "sixth" sense) more than a half year ago and so did other folks.  But feelings of love and affection, and for that matter, wishful thinking, can make someone vulnerable and blinded.

Well, get the annulment overwith and rebuild your life.  You did not bargain for this, just get on with your life.  You deserve to be happy.

Cheers,

Kevin

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Howard
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: How could THIS happen?  An explainat..., posted by kevin on Apr 5, 2002

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BrianN
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to How could THIS happen?  An explaination, posted by Howard on Apr 5, 2002

Now, I definitely know why I look into my age and maturity group only, even though I can be quite an immature idiot 43 yo myself.  

Nobody needs confused children, unless they're their own.

What a waste of time.

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Dingo
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to What a bunch of crap., posted by BrianN on Apr 5, 2002

Howard who would you like to play your part....
Hang in there bud.
Taliman/Dingo
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