Filipinas

[Dave H]

... in response to I can't find my zapper! ;o))), posted by Dave H on Mar 12, 2002

Hey JEM,

I think I married a real gem. The daughter of a hard working, honest barangay captain who refused to switch parties in spite of attempted bribes, being "entertained" (kidnapped), and threatened. She's a straight shooter, fights for what she believes in, not one to tampo and has a heart bigger than she is. I really love that lady!

Dave H.

[JEM]

... in response to Filipinas, posted by Harold on Mar 8, 2002

Harold,

I've spent a lot of time in the Philippines and I'm happily married to a Filipina. Dispite this I'm no appologist for her culture. I to find that many Filipinos lie and seem to easily tolerate when their friends or reatives lie as well. I just accept this as part of the CULTURE of corruption not just a currupt government. Oh and yes or course we have liars in the USA as well. I guess Im the only one who agrees with you. Most of my expats friends in the RP agree with this as well but they still love the culture. It seems that westerners on these posts see this culture with Rose colored glasses while the expats I've met see the hard reality. Just wait until their wives arrive and they will figure this out!!

[Dave H]

... in response to Re: Filipinas, posted by JEM on Mar 11, 2002

JEM,

From my experience, most dancers or bar girls, whether in the US or the Philippines are habitual liars. But, I'm sure that there are guys out there that can prove me wrong. I have also found that most of the expats that I have met, whether in the Philippines or South America, are drunks who hang out with this type of women. So, I am not surprised by their opinions. I have also found that most expats claim to be some sort of former military intelligence or CIA officer. So I suppose one compliments the other. Sorry for anyone that I offended that does not fall into these categories. This is just my opinion, based on my experiences.

As for liars...how many Filipinas have been courted and lied to by foreigners, many of whom that were married?

Dave H.

[Jeff S]

... in response to Re: Filipinas, posted by JEM on Mar 11, 2002

You obviously know nothing of the posters who responded. With only one or two exceptions, all the posters are married, and some have been for several to many years. Wait til their wives arrive WHERE? They're all already here and some for many years. Are you saying that people like Jimbo, Ray, Stephen, Dave H and others have rose colored glasses on? There's an old saying that goes, "It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

-- Jeff S.

[Ray]

... in response to Wait til their wives arrive? What board ..., posted by Jeff S on Mar 12, 2002

I though he was trying to say that it wasn’t until after HIS wife arrived that he found out that she was a liar, but that he has learned to live with it over time. But I could be wrong though. Oh well, I guess some people know how to choose them and some don’t :-)

Ray

[Jeff S]

... in response to Jeff, posted by Ray on Mar 12, 2002


Maybe I did read it wrong, and if so, I'm sorry for the crack about the fool. But it seems to me Harold said that all Filipinas are liars, then JEM said he agreed they all were liars and it was part of the culture. Then went on to say that the posters who disagreed with Harold were inexperienced with Filipinas and living a fantasy.

I've never claimed to be an expert on the Philippines, its culture or its people, but one thing I know for certain is people who catagorize all members of a group as anything, do it not out of care, concern, desire to help or anything else positive, it's done solely to hurt. Saying things like, "all blacks are ....," "all Jews are ....," "all Filipinas are ...," or even, "all American women are ..." are simply wrong. Not all are, and the message spread is usually out of spite.

Now if the implication here is that culturally many Asians tend to beat around the bush much more than Americans, I'd have to agree. Many Asians are shocked at how directly Americans speak to each other. They're very careful to allow others to save face. Is this lying - well, technically yes. It's not so different than someone asking you how are you and you answer "fine," even though you may be so ill you can barely stand. That's not what I read in the original post, though. I read that all Filipinas lie to him about major issues. There's lots of happilly married people here, and I've yet to hear one say his wife was a liar - so either they're lying or it must not be "ALL" Filipinas.

I'd wager Harold's statement was a simple case of someone deceiving him, perhaps in fun, perhaps a group of schoolgirls, perhaps just a lonely woman desparate for love who tried to paint a picture of herself she thought he wanted to hear, and feeling betrayal, he came here with a mean, backlash intended to "get back" at that she devil who would dare to do that to him. I mean we read all the time about someone's marriage breaking up and all of a sudden, all AW are beetches, to the poor victimized man. This kind of thinking is juvenile at best and evil at worst.

-- Jeff S.

[Lori]

... in response to Filipinas, posted by Harold on Mar 8, 2002

the "World Harold" is the local newspaper around where I live. They are a bunch of big fat liars.

[Howard]

... in response to Filipinas, posted by Harold on Mar 8, 2002

Harold,

I think you hit the nail on the head.  The fact that you have been frquenting the chat rooms for two years may appear to be insincerity on your part.  Insincere is, as insincere does.

Many Filipinas barely have conversational English and even the ones who speak well on a computer may not speak English very well in a real conversation.  Just like we are indoctrinated to believe certain things about Filipinas as a rule, many girls using the internet cafes just play follow the leader.  Are you gonna tell me you have NEVER said what you thought someone wanted to hear to get something you want?

The trick, if you're sincere, is to get past the cliche stage and get to know who you are talking to.  Maybe they are in a pack at first, but if you establish that you are serious they will soon want to speak to you alone, without interference or coaching.  I say this from my personal expirience, this may not be the case with everyone, but I KNOW several that is has been.

I once attracted nothing but "Projects" for grilfriends.  All had issues that I was arrogant enough to believe that I could help them tackle.  In return I hoped for gratitude in the form of loyalty, the acceptance and willingness to work on my flaws and nothing more than the honesty and compassion I felt I was giving them.  More than once, with their "problems" mostly solved, I just got dumped for someone they felt could provide better for them in whatever capacity they felt I was lacking.  Whose fault is that?  Mine.  

If all you consistantly attract is "liars", then there is something wrong with your approach or the place you choose to look.

Don't brand all Filipinas, look at yourself.

The analysis is free :c)

Keep the Faith

H

[Dave H]

... in response to Filipinas, posted by Harold on Mar 8, 2002

Hey Harold,

I was wondering who that group of teenage girls were giggling at when I was at the Internet Cafe in the  Philippines. ;o)) Go there and see for yourself. 2+ to a computer, all giggling as they decide what to type. "Tell him that you love him!" seemed to be a favorite. Remember, they are not adults because they're up late, it's daytime over there. By the way, I'm 22...NOT!

Dave H.

[Bear]

... in response to Filipinas, posted by Harold on Mar 8, 2002

Well Harold I have seen tens of guys from this (and other) bullitin board(s) meet and marry wonderful ladies from the Philippines and I have seen a hand few not do so well.  But one thing we almost all agree on is that Filipinas are not really any different that women from anywhere else in the world other that the stimuli affecting them (like poverty, religion, family).  I would thing that if you believe all Filipinas are liars its because they have reason not to trust *YOU* and therefore treat you the way you treat them.  One thing you shold know is that when in chat rooms you are usually chatting with more than one Filipina at a time, meaning 2-3-4 Filipinas might be sitting at the same computer chatting with you and discussing what to say.  If you go to the same chatrooms all the time it doesn't take long for you to be identified and everyone there to know and label you for what they think is your intent.

As for you divorce beliefs I guess you know very little about the power of the Catholic Church who refuses to allow divorce in the Philippines.

Ya know I have never met a smart Harold either?  Wow!  I think someone should contact someone and have a study done on this phenomenon!!

Bear

[Eman]

... in response to Filipinas, posted by Harold on Mar 8, 2002

We could say that people everywhere are basically the same, or we could say that everyone is a completely unique individual. Both are true, depending which end of the stick you grab. Unfortunately your post gives the impression you are only intent on trashing filipinas, so it makes it hard to discuss your observations. It's possible that there are cultural factors influencing your impressions, as the idea of "truth telling" is certainly something that gets a different interpretation in anglo and pilipino cultures. It's also possible you need to look to yourself to understand why you look at the world and only see one thing, when God is infinitely creative.

[NW Jim]

... in response to Filipinas, posted by Harold on Mar 8, 2002

Harold,
The basis of your conclusion is based solely on chat rooms? Have you ever been to PI? Have friends here from PI? I think you're painting with a VERY broad brush.

However, you have tangentially raised an issue that was discussed here recently, and that is the impact of the internet & chat rooms on behaivor of the participants.

The internet speeds up communications, but is also opens up the number of possible partners, so both sexes may keep fishing for the "better deal." The more people one is communicating with--the shallower the communications has to become, due to time limitations, unless you get your relatives to help with the writing.

This increased speed also increases pressure on guys to fly to the PI to get engaged to "the one" before somebody else gets there. As several guys on this board have found out, you can't rush getting to know someone, without it leading to heartache, and financial disaster.

That being said, women, except for a few minor cultural differences, are pretty much the same around the world.

[BubbaGump]

... in response to Filipinas, posted by Harold on Mar 8, 2002

A friend of my friend married a Fillipina woman and after  about 3 years he has a kid and is still very happily married.  She cooks and keeps a very neat house and lets her husband play all the sports he wants to.  The guy is very nice and probably never had a decent girlfriend in his life.  So there!

Maybe these women detect a little dishonesty on your part perhaps?

[Lori]

... in response to Re: Filipinas, posted by BubbaGump on Mar 9, 2002

Just wondering if you can name all the differant types of shrimp recipies? My favorate would have to be Coconut shrimp---yummy!!

[Jimbo]

... in response to Re:shrimp, posted by Lori on Mar 10, 2002

WAYS TO PREPARE SHRIMP - ACCORDING TO BUBBA

Shrimp is the food of the sea - you can.....

Barbecue it
Boil it
Broil it
Bake it
Saute' it

There is.....

Shrimp Kabobs
Shrimp Creole
Shrimp Gumbo
Pan Fry
Deep Fry
Stir Fry

There's.....

Pineapple Shrimp
Lemon Shrimp
Coconut Shrimp
Pepper Shrimp
Shrimp Soup
Shrimp Stew
Shrimp Salad
Shrimp and Potatoes
Shrimp Burgers
Shrimp Sandwich

That - that's 'bout it