collective wisdom solicitation

[Oscar]

... in response to Re: Thanks, gentlemen. . .isn't it impor..., posted by rwnovice on Sep 19, 2002

Seeing a woman on her home turf and seeing how she reacts with her family and friends is vitally important in my opinion.  I spent a lot of time with my girls family and friends and asked a lot of questions.  You could always meet the woman from Lugansk in Odessa and first see if there is some chemistry there.  If there is, then you could always go there and see the family..  
As far as them being "pissed off" by your asking them to meet you in another city-  I did this with a few women and none of them were upset by the suggestion.  I simply told them that I would be in Kiev, Odessa or wherever and I would like to have them come visit..  When I told them I would be happy to pay for their travel expenses, they were happy to do it..  I imagine there might be some women who would be upset, but for me and my friends that have done it, we just didn't see it.

[Oscar]

... in response to collective wisdom solicitation, posted by rwnovice on Sep 19, 2002

If it were me, I would station myself in one good area (From the cities you have mentioned, I would personally choose Odessa. Some other guys might choose others but that would be my choice.) and bring any interesting outlying ladies to me!  The running around from one city to the next can get very tiring.  But bringing in girls can also be difficult and has it's drawbacks too..  If you bring a girl all the way from Lugansk and have 2 or 3 days scheduled with her, what if you know in the first hour it is definitely NOT going to happen with her?  Do you politely send her back or stick it out for the full 2 days, limiting your time with other possibilities?  This is where having someone like Jack can be of some really great help.

There has been much discussion here (check the archives) about going to meet only a couple of girls.  Man, it is a long way to go, at great expense (cash and work time wise), to go and only have one or two women who both don't work out!  Certainly it's possible that one could work out, but the odds are not great for this.  Most guys here would probably agree with this.  As you yourself have suggested, meeting online and meeting in person are two completely different things!  I know that on my last trip for example, some of the women I was most excited to meet turned out to be the ones who it worked the least with! LOL!

I think Jack would probably agree with this- that on a first trip like this, it might be wise to expose yourself (in a sense! LOL!) to many different women and possibilities.  You have a lot to learn about things over there and it can really help to meet more than a few women.

I would also think strongly about running a personal ad.  These would be women who would really be interested in you.. very low scam rate in running an ad as most scammers don't respond to them.  Not expensive to do so either..

My 2 cents..

Oscar

[MarkInTx]

... in response to collective wisdom solicitation, posted by rwnovice on Sep 19, 2002

Well,

The only girls I ever contacted in Lugansk were all scammers. Not saying that there aren't wonderful women there... but be careful.

Is this your first trip? Still trying to figure out what's what? I'm not sure I'd advise going to Lugansk -- scammer capital of Ukraine, and taking my chances...

If I were you, and I were planning on meeting several ladies... I think that the Odessa / Kherson option sounds best.

There are some good agencies in both, and you can quickly find enough girls to fill up your dance card.

Jack's FirstDream is well connected in Odessa.

A Kherson Rose is a good agency in Kherson. These two towns are fairly close, so it is easy to get from one to the other. Also, by going between the two, you have a built in "reason" for leaving, which the ladies will understand.

Just one man's opinion... but I'd leave Lugansk until my second trip when I knew the playing field better...

[rwnovice]

... in response to Re: collective wisdom solicitation, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 19, 2002

Neither of the Lugansk mafia have asked for money yet.  At what point did you bust your Lugansk scammers???  I've already been contacted by a RW scammer-she initiated the contact.  On the 3rd or 4th email she asked for $1,800 so that her "visa application deadline" would not expire.  Having a little common sense, I knew something was up and went to an antiscammer site-BAM as Emeril would say-she was at the top of the heap!  Neither of my girls have given bathing suit photos.  I've done a lot of reading since then.  Transportation seems like a real pain in the ass in UA.  How many trips did it take for you to find your fiancee there?

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Re: collective wisdom solicitation, posted by rwnovice on Sep 19, 2002

Well, the anti-scammer sites are good for helping nail the most prolific scammers. But they don't have all of them by a long shot.

The lady and I exchanged about 5 or 6 emails I guess. Then it started with the subtle hints for money for email. I ignored them, and she switched to other hints. I can't remember how many letters before she started being more direct.

Others I wrote to from there were much more clumsy. But some of the scammers are getting really good. Are you paying for her email, btw?

Look, I'm not saying your girl IS a scammer. I am saying that the chances are higher from Lugansk than anywhere else.

That being said... if she IS a scammer, and you end up in the scammer capital of Ukraine for a week -- what will you do then?

Forbid me from telling anyone else not to "put all of his eggs in one basket" (smile). That's what I did and it worked out for me. (Although once before it didn't...)

I just, personally, wouldn't put all of my eggs in a basket from Lugansk, that's all.

To each his own. You just asked for opinions... and I gave you mine... Everyone has to do what he thinks is best here...

[rwnovice]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: collective wisdom solicitati..., posted by MarkInTx on Sep 20, 2002

Got a hint of the email money request ostensibly from the internet cafe manager.  I'm calling her on it with translation software.  Do all girls pay their own translation?  Do guys help out after a while?  What's the usual and customary deal???

[BubbaGump]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: collective wisdom solici..., posted by rwnovice on Sep 20, 2002

...and tell them to do the same.  You get some pretty funny translations but you have an idea what they are saying.  You could just translate into Russian using an online site yourself and send it out that way.  Your email system will let you paste the russian characters in and send it out.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: collective wisdom solici..., posted by rwnovice on Sep 20, 2002

There is no "usual and customary".

A lot of guys think it is only fair to pay for translation and/or email fees.

My feeling is that it is something I would do for "my girlfriend" but not for someone I have never met.

I am not aware of one single guy who paid for the email and/or translation for a girl he never met, and it ended up working out.

I might be wrong... but I can't think of one success story there...

Personally, I never paid for either.

But everyone has a different opinion on that.

[lasko]

... in response to Re: Re: collective wisdom solicitation, posted by rwnovice on Sep 19, 2002

For your first trip Odessa or kershon or the Crimea are
all better places to go. Or invite the girl from Lugansk
to visit you in Kiev. Without some knowledge of russian
lugansk could be a bad choice!!!