collective wisdom solicitation

[rwnovice]

... in response to Re: collective wisdom solicitation, posted by Zink on Sep 19, 2002

the girl's family?  That's a drawback of asking the Lugansk girls to meet me in Odesa or Kherson.  They both seem family oriented.  But maybe it would be a litmus test to see if they're really serious about leaving home in the first place.  Then again, I would hate to piss off the one I'm really interested in by not going to her home town.  And meeting too many girls worries me--sensory overload and target confusion.  I could see myself just standing slackjawed with an inability to pick one to focus on.

[BubbaGump]

... in response to Re: Thanks, gentlemen. . .isn't it impor..., posted by rwnovice on Sep 19, 2002

..find out if you like them first.  You'll feel like a real jerk if you meet the family then walk away from them.  They might think you rejected them and their whole family.  Meeting the family should be reserved for if you really hit it off with the girl.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Thanks, gentlemen. . .isn't it impor..., posted by rwnovice on Sep 19, 2002

Yes. It is vitally important: When you want to marry her.

On this board, you will probably pick up on a theme: You WILL make more than one trip to Ukraine. That being said, you can meet her family the second time around... especially if you are not sure of how you two feel about each other the first time around.

[rwnovice]

... in response to Re: Re: Thanks, gentlemen. . .isn't it i..., posted by MarkInTx on Sep 20, 2002

I have approached one of the 2 Lugansk girls (plan B) with the idea of meeting me.  Her response is unclear as of yet.  I think she is a little afraid of going out to the big city of Kiev to meet a perfect stranger.  She even declined to give me her address in Lugansk when I asked her.  I think she's really cautious.  She's not with an agency, so she's on her own in the whole process.  My other Lugansk girl (plan A) is in a communication blackout because her translation service at her internet cafe said she is cut off until she pays for translation service in advance.  This manager of the internet cafe there wanted me to wire her money to continue translation.  I told her that I had on order Ukrainian translation software and would not need her translation services.  This internet cafe manager wants $100 for a month of unlimited translations.  I think this is a good deal IF you don't have translation software.  I've seen interpreters on the internet want 5 cents a word which adds up VERY quickly.  Bottom line is that this internet cafe manager is holding me hostage.  Any thoughts?

[johnnydudeman]

... in response to Re:  more than one trip, posted by rwnovice on Sep 20, 2002

wow!  you are in trouble!  i know you are new to this, but it seems you are SO naive that you don't even recognize the obvious scam signals.  and if you don't learn fast, you WILL be scammed.  are you REALLY a lawyer?  because i thought part of the skill of being a lawyer is the ability to read between the lines and "glean" what's really happening and what's really being said.  here's the scoop naiveguy:  the internet cafe is NOT holding you hostage.  THEY are NOT asking her to pay $100 per month for translation services.  SHE is asking YOU to send her money!  and you are surely not the only one she is asking.  she's already scamming you for your time, don't let her scam you for money.  the other girl not wanting to send you her address is another alert.  there is a reason she does not want you to know where she really lives.  i wonder what it is?

[rwnovice]

... in response to hey naiveguy, posted by johnnydudeman on Sep 21, 2002

dudeguy.  as with everything there is a learning curve.

[Oscar]

... in response to Re:  more than one trip, posted by rwnovice on Sep 20, 2002

Yes, a thought- I will tell you what was the best advice ever given to me about this issue-  DO NOT EVER GIVE A WOMAN MONEY YOU HAVE NOT MET IN PERSON!  This advice has served me very, very well.  If the girl is legit, she will find a way to write you from an internet cafe, or get a friend who knows some english to help her etc..  This is a classic line, "they won't let me write to you unless you send them some money".. or "My internet service or agency will cut off my use if you can't help pay for me".  99% BS!  
There are plenty of legit women there.. Ask her to write you from an internet cafe.  If she says she can't or they don't answer, just move on, no matter how cute she is!  RUn, don't wald, to the nearest exit.. ;-)

[rwnovice]

... in response to Re: Re:  more than one trip, posted by Oscar on Sep 21, 2002

This is beginning to look like a very bad idea.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re:  more than one trip, posted by rwnovice on Sep 20, 2002

Scam.

$100 a month? are you kidding me?

I'm thinking you just had the first hook put into you, and they are waiting to reel you in.

But, I'm sure some guys would differ on that.

Personally... I'd move on...

[rwnovice]

... in response to Just one, posted by MarkInTx on Sep 20, 2002

OK.  I'm glad I talked to you.  I'm not sending them anything.  One Lugansk girl down. . .sad, because she was the one I was most interested in.  I'll email you.

[Zink]

... in response to Re: Just one, posted by rwnovice on Sep 20, 2002

I have some interesting literature on the common scams. If you want to read it e-mail me and I'll send it. It was interesting that I was writing to 2 scammers just when I found this info. Their correspondence was step by step exactly as described in my guide.

The one scammer is called Marina Lukanyenko on First Dream's website. I see that her story is posted now. She(they/whoever) wrote the most amazing letters I've ever read. That's what tipped me off. They weren't like any other letters that I got from more sincere ladies.

I don't like using agency translator's. My first RW and I got into trouble because of our interpretor. The interpretor thought we were a good match and was trying to be helpful so she embellished both our letters. It lead to misunderstandings later on when we found out that the other person didn't really write some of what the other read. I believe the interpetor was honest just misguided.

Take Bubba's advice and use internet translators or buy a program. If you can install Russian windows on a computer I have a good program you could have. It isn't perfect but it is usually understandable. I have Russian windows 98 and 2000 if you want them.

[rwnovice]

... in response to Re: Re: Just one, posted by Zink on Sep 21, 2002

tion software because I figured I would be in this for the long haul, and I wanted to encourage my female contacts to write to me as much as possible without them worrying about paying interpreters.  I'm guessing I just need to download the UA disk and won't need it after that.  How about an exchange?  We can download each other's and return the cd's when done.  What do you think?  Email is tguillory@cox.net.  Would appreciate the scammer MO info.  Thanks!

[Zink]

... in response to Re: Very kind of you.  I've already orde..., posted by rwnovice on Sep 21, 2002

n/t

[rwnovice]

... in response to Information sent n/t, posted by Zink on Sep 21, 2002

much!

[Zink]

... in response to Re: Thanks, gentlemen. . .isn't it impor..., posted by rwnovice on Sep 19, 2002

Yes! It is important to meet her family. But first you have to meet the girl. No point in meeting the whole family if you decide you don't like her(or she you) after 5 minutes together. To go there or not is a tough decision. If it wasn't for everything bad I've heard about Lugansk I'd advice going there. It's good to see your ladies on their home ground. But you can always go to Lugansk after you've met.

Bobby Orr posted some very good questions for you to ask yourself. It all depends on your experience and capabilities. I'm comfortable enough in Russia that I'm not worried about going anywhere alone now. But on my first trip I learned what it is like to be truly alone. I was in another country and didn't know a single person other than my girlfriend and her sister. Luckily she and her family took excellent care of me. I hate to think what could have happened if she had abandoned me then. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

Sensory overload and target confusion! Nice wording. You're starting to sound like me. I prefer to meet one or two because then I actually get to know the person. I can't make my dates into job interviews. I tried writing to many ladies at once. After a few letters they all started to blur. Who did I tell what? Was she the one who went there? What in the h3ll am I doing?

I have 2 girlfriends at the moment and it's annoying me. They're both great and I want to spend more time with them but they've got me trying to go to opposite sides of the world. I don't have the time and money for that. That's why for me 1 at a time is better.