Lori & Bear....

[Stephen]

Okay....how about this for a generalization:

We can gripe all we want about "american women."

And we can gripe all we want about "american Men."

But we have it this way because most americans want things this way.  When you have as many "freedoms" as we do in America then you have a lot of screwed up people who can't handle it.

American's seems to want their women and men to be just this way.  It's the logical outcome of our lifestyle.

Think about it.  Blaming the other sex is just too easy of a way out.

Stephen

[Bear]

... in response to Lori & Bear...., posted by Stephen on Feb 17, 2002

Wow!  I hope I don't get a bill Stephen.  

Facts are facts and truth hurts, and I am not sure what I said was negative, I see it as more "matter-of-fact".  I don't fault anyone for taking advantage of the system.  But it amazes me that so many will watch the building fall down around them as they remove the bricks and blame the guy trying to brace it up.  Its always the messenger thats the evil one right.

(I am reading some stuff from a pro-family, anti-abortion pamplet - not sure on where they get their facts but nothing they say seems unreasonable).

There have been more divorces in America in the last ten years than of all previous years totaled.

Over 35 million babies have been killed by their loving American mothers since Roe v Wade. (many probably with the support of the fathers and her parents)

A surviving child (meaning not aborted) born in America has a less than 1 in 20 chance of having both parents at home when they graduate school.

AW's fault?  AM's fault?  I'm sure both but I will stick to what I said.  AW's haven't a clue on how to be wives and mothers.  Is that negative?  Deragatory?  I think its fact.  It makes no claims about whose fault it is or if there are other problems associated with that statement.  It doesn't claim that AM's are better (or worse for that matter).  AW's aren't taught to be mothers and wives but "career individuals" who should not let themselves be dependent on men.  Be self-sufficient and independant.  And I believe most of us, including a slick lawyer like you, know that the laws of this land support them in that effort.

Remember Western Girl?

Bear

[Pansy]

... in response to Re: Lori & Bear...., posted by Bear on Feb 18, 2002

Goodness, your facts bring to mind my all-American father, who had an affair with a woman younger than his daughters after 22 years of being treated like the King of His Castle by my stepmother. My stepmother who, by the way, worshipped him, waited on him hand and foot, worked in his office to build his career, kept her perfect size six figure and her beautiful, elegant good looks into her fifties? The woman who cooked every dinner, washed every dish, raised his kids from his first marriage, went fishing every vacation because that's what HE wanted to do, and loved him so much that even though every one of their friends knew he was a philanderer, she had NO clue until she caught him in the act? Surely she is the kind of evil, cold-hearted, selfish, me-first American career woman you are referring to? And my father the poor, put-upon American Man who must seek overseas for a mate who understands how to be a 'real wife and mother'?

Pathetic.

No wonder you have to seek overseas, Bear. No sane American woman would want to go out on a single date with a man who is as culturally and socially blind as you are. Be sure to pick a woman with a BIG language barrier.

[Bear]

... in response to Re: Re: Lori & Bear...., posted by Pansy on Mar 3, 2002

It seems to me you have seen some bad parts of life and its a shame.  If your mother did all you say then your father was truly pretty selfish.  Still like in my posts its only your opinion of what you have observed and experienced.

But my situation you have no knowledge and my opinion is based on on what I have experienced.  I am sure others have had much different experiences but your posts makes me think not all that different.

I do not think women are evil nor have I ever said that, MOF I think they are the blessed of God.  I said they always do well at what they attempt and do no more that take advantage of the system that made them.  They just make horrible wives at this present time.  And whether you believe it or not AW's are taught, trained and co-erced to be anti-family independents who would kill their babies before letting it prevent them from advancing in their respective positions or independence.  Isn't this your attitude now that you have observed your parents?  Of course, my way of saying it is more "crude" than most anyone elses but it is never-the-less, fact.

As for sane American women (oxymoron) wanting to date me - to late I am the property of a gorgeous Filipina and proudly so.

Bear

[William]

... in response to Re: Lori & Bear...., posted by Bear on Feb 18, 2002

Any statement or 'fact' offered by anti-abortion groups should be taken with a grain of salt.
They've been exagerating, presenting opinion as fact, and making things up for so long,
even they can't keep their information straight.

[Jimbo]

... in response to Re: Re: Lori & Bear...., posted by William on Feb 19, 2002

..it would be hard to exaggerate the horror of a late term partial birth abortion:  pull the head out, plunge a syringe into it, suck out the brains, declare the baby dead, and then pull it out the rest of the way.

Jim

[Stephen]

... in response to On the other hand..., posted by Jimbo on Feb 20, 2002

Now there you go, Jim.

You know that it's not politically correct to speak the truth.

Stephen

[Dave H]

... in response to Re: On the other hand..., posted by Stephen on Feb 20, 2002

I can't imagine what Jim was thinking...on the other hand, would there even be a demand or reason for abortions if we could spay and neuter Democrats? ;o)))

Dave H.

[Jeff S]

... in response to Right Stephen!, posted by Dave H on Feb 20, 2002

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[Stephen]

... in response to Re: Re: Lori & Bear...., posted by William on Feb 19, 2002

You're group would NEVER be guilty of doing that, now would they.

Saint Bill Clinton is the very image of purity and integrity.

Give me a break.  

Stephen

[Howard]

... in response to Re: Lori & Bear...., posted by Bear on Feb 18, 2002


... that gets you in trouble.  Just add the word "some" or "from my personal expirience..." and you're set.  Not all American Women suck, just like not all Filipinas rule.  That's like saying all fat people are lazy or all Mormons are crazy.  Know what I mean, Vern?  You know I love you man, but blanket statements SUCK!  And yes, that is a blanket statement regarding blanket statements :c)  LOL

Anti-Abortion Literature?  Are you reading LifeSpan Magazine?  I do that publication for the Mid-West at work.  Boy!, they have some interesting spins on things!  But I do agree that the divorce rate is out of control and that honoring comittments is on a serious and frightening decline in our country.  All we can do is try to break the cycle.

Hope all is well, Bro :c)

Give my best to Honey!

Keep the Faith!

H

[greg]

... in response to Lori & Bear...., posted by Stephen on Feb 17, 2002

Guys got the right to Gripe on this Fil/AM forum against AWs. Try visiting all those AM Blashing forums out there. It's Ridiculous for anyone to expect Guys to keep silent becuz of one AW on this forum, she need to understand that Guys aren't taking shots at Her(She should know already that she is special on PL, so she should be more understanding). Do you believe the AWs going to shut up when we visit their forums? Yeah, wishful thinking. greg

[Ray]

... in response to GosH!!! Shhhhhhhhhhh???, posted by greg on Feb 18, 2002

Hi Greg!

Yes, guys have the right to gripe about anything that they want to on here, as far as I’m concerned. If someone wants to show his bias and prejudice toward any group, whether it be American Women, Black Men, Filipina Women, or whatever, by posting stupid stereotypical comments, then more power to them. But what gripes me is the guys that cry and moan when they get a negative response to their bashing. I also feel that anyone here also has the right to respond to these negative generalizations. That’s what I keep trying to explain to Kevin, but he just doesn’t seem to get it. Anyway, I think Kevin is taking a more positive attitude recently, so I’m glad to see that. Heck, even Humbados has mellowed out since he fell in love (LOL).

In my opinion, the guys who continually make negative comments about American Women are just making fools of themselves. When you denigrate all American Women, you are also insulting my mother, my sisters, and my daughters. When you bash all Filipinas, you are also insulting my wife, my friends, and my relatives. If you can’t stand the heat when you get a negative reaction to this stuff, then get out of the kitchen.

Just looking at Lori’s reaction to Bear’s comments should remind us all that this stuff doesn’t help anyone, except to make the basher feel better maybe. I know American Women who are great wives and mothers and I also know some that are total jerks. But to imply that they are all that way is just plain stupid IMO. I always welcome intelligent discussions about the problems in our society, the advantages of foreign wives, religious issues, problems in the workplace, what to watch out for, etc., but I think the blatant hate speech toward American Women is foolish and immature. Yes Greg, I’m sure the ‘feminazis’ do it all the time on those other forums you mentioned, but it’s just as repulsive to some when you bash our women on this forum. But if it makes you feel better, then have at it. I only ask that you be man enough to accept the response you are likely to get in return.

Keep a positive attitude but also keep your eyes wide open.

Just my $.02,

Ray

[greg]

... in response to My Opinion, posted by Ray on Feb 18, 2002

RaY, there's Truth to Your Post. I'm not concerned about being Bashed( I can take it on my chin and dish it out if necessary). Patawad, if You feel offended when Guys state their own opinion about AWs. Oh well, if Guys think sooo highly of AWs why seek a Foreigner? Thank You, greg

[Ray]

... in response to RaY Knows Best )), posted by greg on Feb 18, 2002

That wasn't my point. I just thought you were being rough on Lori for defending herself. She didn't tell anyone to “keep silent” but only expressed her opinions, which she has every right to do. Were you offended by her response? If so, then I guess she made her point :-)

I just don’t see how this AW bashing contributes anything positive to this forum. But, like I said before, if it makes you feel better then go for it.

Ray