AW's greed delays marriage

[WmGo]

... in response to Re: Re: greed, posted by wilmc on Jun 3, 2002

I agree that pure greed is a moral wrong.

I agree that there is much abuse of position and power to make material gain and that it is a moral wrong.

However,
Jesus never said anything about what amount of income a person should have. And His death had nothing to do with the subject of income. "He gave his life a ransom for many."

[wilmc]

... in response to Re: greed, posted by WmGo on Jun 4, 2002

I have been reminded that this forum is not the place for this dicussion so I will try to be quick.

I realize that today the words of the Lord can be interpreted, translated and semantically twisted to justfy almost anything.  Especially the unlimited greed of most American corporate executives.  You have to admire their PR.    

It seems fairly clear though to me that JESUS was not endorsing corporate CEO greed in Luke 12:15 where it is told that HE said:

"And HE said to them beware of all covetousness for a man's life doth not consist in the abundance of things which he possesseth."

And if I recall correctly the 6th Deadly sin is Greed.

Finally the question is, when is enough enough?

J. D. Rockefeller's alleged answer was, "One Dollar more."

[WmGo]

... in response to Re: Re: greed, posted by wilmc on Jun 5, 2002

Good quote from the Word. Jesus was clearly referencing the fact that there is a spiritual reality out there that encompasses eternity! Therefore it *is* foolish to think that life is only about material acquisiton. I agree wholeheartedly that greed is wrong (I said that before) and a problem for many and that we have witnessed much of this in our country's  history as you have so accurately referenced in one of your longer posts above.

I was just making a distiction between greed and legitimate gain. The Bible teaches that there is a big difference  - and that God wants to prosper us both materially as well as spiritually. It also teaches that we should enjoy the fruits of our labor for it is God who gives the increase.

As I said above, Jesus never spoke to the issue of income itself - yes he condemned an attitude of pure materialism and greed. And as I also said, he was not crucified because of any issue pertaining to income, although in a general sense, because greed is sin and Jesus died for the sins of the world, he also died to pay all sin debts involving greed.

I think you and I are on the same page.

[MsDuong]

... in response to AW's greed delays marriage, posted by wilmc on Jun 3, 2002

I have always encouraged my daughter to first have her degree and then seek marrage. Maybe that counts for some part of the AW population delaying marrage.

[wilmc]

... in response to Re: AW's greed delays marriage, posted by MsDuong on Jun 3, 2002

Will it take her past her 30 birthday to get her degree?

[MsDuong]

... in response to Re: Re: AW's greed delays marriage, posted by wilmc on Jun 3, 2002

It might, depends if she will be going for a masters or not.
She will be working her way through collage other than for the scolarships she'll be getting.

[tfcrew]

... in response to Re: AW's greed delays marriage, posted by MsDuong on Jun 3, 2002

...maybe 50% of the time..   My personal observation (if this qualifies).
The authors of the report mentioned in the lead post are not identified and it seems like a generalization to me.
My qualified experience leads me to agree with the lead post statement...wishful at worst maybe, so I will paraphrase..the "Old World" wife will outstick   the modern american woman hands down.
Karl

[stefang]

... in response to "Encouragements"   heeded...., posted by tfcrew on Jun 3, 2002

I cannot remember where I actually saw this report but it was on the web. Women with college degrees and a high paying job are 5 times more likely to divorce than the national average. Men need to also remember our laws are favored towards women in courts so many women wait later in life to marry and pick up the rich guy knowing if she isn't satisfied she walks with half of what he owns. Pre-nups a joke in most states and if you hide anything from her she can have it voided.
For the divorced men you know what I'm talking about. She is almost instantly garanteed half of everything and your lawyer and hers knows this so they figure out what your worth and give half to her then they take your other half in fees. They will drag the case till you are broke. A lot of guys will even lose their jobs because the company will say he is not performing well or will come up with any excuse. Lawyers came up with these laws they are making out like theives but destroying families doing it. It is really hard to find a good woman today. Look for the humble, nonmaterial, and religious ones and you will probably have a long lasting marriage.

My thought on AW is this. They want a rich man to marry so they can have the big house, exotic car, and jewelry. They want the secret lover who was released from jail so she can live her dirty desires and fantasies. She wants the sensitive man to be there for her so she can cry on his shoulder when everything comes crashing down but she doesn't respect him because he is weak. The rich guy should provide a house maid to do her work and a pool boy for when the convict is arrested again. Divorce over the past thirty years have destroyed the wealth of this country. It takes the money away from the family and kids and hands it to the the women, lawyers, and courts.
Marriage is a business now, once you say yes you sign a contract over to your material. Life was much better and easier when marriage was religion as it should be. They should change the laws so if people  were married in a church you would have to go in front of the priest to see if the marriage should be annulled. If found plausible guilt to desolve the marriage then it could go to the courts but government needs to get out of our lives especially the lawyers. A common law marriage would go through the courts because no religion is involved. This would be good for the family because if she is a gold digger she would refuse the religious marriage because her only real chance to divorce would be an unfaithful husband. Like a lot of men are saying don't marry an American, don't, don't, don't especially with how mothers have been raising their daughters to materialism and to think of themselves first over anything else, even including their own children. Another way to lower divorces would be for guys to stop dating or having sex with divorecd women. If they couldn't find another guy they would definitely think twice before raking their first husband over the coals. I know I wouldn't marry one, she has already proven the ability to divorce and even knows all the gains to be made. For the good AW it is sad because more and more everyday men are starting to not trust any of them which is not good for our country. Since I am on a rampage hear you can call me even more of a flake by telling you that drugs should be legalized. Another business ran by the government. We pay the taxes for the extra prison space, courts, and police. It makes me sick to think they will put a junky in jail for 15 years then release a murderer for good time because of lack of space. They could even tax it creating more revenue instead of draining it from us.

[wilmc]

... in response to Re: "Encouragements"   heeded...., posted by stefang on Jun 4, 2002

Stefang:

Thank you for your comments.  I am in total agreement with you on the legalization of drugs.  "The War on Drugs" has been a disastor.  I honestly believe that it has popularized drugs more than anything else.  

Please excuse me, I have been cautioned about straying from the MOB topic so I will try to restrain myself.

We must spread the word, our nation's drug policy is turning the country into a police state, and the fastest growing industry is building prisons.

Did you see the analysis that all the money they have spent on advertising has proven a complete waste.  The researchers found that not only were the ads. ineffective , but many were found to be counterproductive.  They actually were found to promote drug use by the young.

A tip, I usually use the term "decriminalize" instead of "legalize."  It doesn't seem to upset the diehard "lock em all up" crowd.  It gives me a chance to express a little more logic to them.

Thanks again.

[wilmc]

... in response to "Encouragements"   heeded...., posted by tfcrew on Jun 3, 2002

It has been a long time since I tried to be a scholar but I did reference my source.  For more details try this"

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1022959958490&p=1012571727088