AM/WM can be scamers also

[jj]

Just thought I would make the following obervation.

I know of some men who have visited Ukraine on many occasions.  In one case they have made an offer of marriage to a mail order bride having only met for a two week period.  Ok this is fine but...  While he has agreed to apply for a K-1 Visa to america this person is still writing to other women offering the potential of a serious relationship?  What does this say about there sincerity.  It is not only Russian/Ukrainian Women that scam but also American/Western Men.

Maybe RW/UW need a AM/WM scammers board.

Your views.  Is this exceptable...  What does this say about the mans sincerity.  It this is acceptable to both the Women and the men.

PS This is not a Troll post.  I ask this in all serious to seek your feedback.  Please do so seriously and with respect.

[BarryM]

... in response to AM/WM can be scamers also, posted by jj on Oct 2, 2001

If you've had any experience with women, you'd know that if a guy pisses one woman off by being a creep, all women who have any remote connection to the offended woman by friends, family, ect, will know about him. They talk, big time. Even the offended woman's enemies will by savy to the creep.

I'm sure there is already of network of RW/UW who are passing around a bad AM list... they're probably more organized than we are.

We should concern ourselves with our focus on RW/UW and not on AM creeps.

-blm

[jj]

... in response to Not necessary jj., posted by BarryM on Oct 2, 2001

Y

[Rostick]

... in response to AM/WM can be scamers also, posted by jj on Oct 2, 2001

Dear Sir,

The thing is that I believe, that as long as there are scamm boards of Ukrainian women, there should be places where you can put guys who are so called "sex tourists", and in my opinion, this is pretty important to let women know that there are men who come here (to Ukraine) just to have fun and play.
Personally I will do my best to start a page like this, because so far I've met a couple of guys like this, and believe it or not, even though I realize that it's a woman's decision to have sexual relations with a person or not to, but still they have to know the truth, which is very important.
Most of the local women say that when they give their body to a man, it's not just a physical act, they give part of their soul too, and if they trust a wrong person they feel angry, and believe it or not, I can not blame them for being rude or not opened to the others, after having that kind of an experience. It takes time to get over it, and also most of the ladies here do not have an ability to visit psychologists to get some counceling or whatever, that's why the only way for them to retain the emotional ballance is to have vengance. I know it sounds naive and a little unreasonable, but believe it or not, that's what happens in most cases, after a lady realizes that she was used as a piece of meat.
Some men and women make mistakes, but still you have to be sincere, and explain that even though everything was going well, it's not going to work out, BUT DON"T PLAY, DON"T HURT, IT'S NOT GOING TO DO ANY GOOD!

I've met a guy who was old enough to understand all this, but he didn't want to treat people the way they should be treated, and he even was chasing ladies under legal age, finally he got threatened by a local lady who was supposively an apartment owner, and she promised him to use all her connections in militia to make sure that he never leaves Ukraine. Is that fair??? I think YES!!
People who play and are willing to cause pain should get the same thing in return.

It's very easy to understand this thinking, when you try to imagine your 16 year old daughter, being used for sex by a guy who is old enough to be her grand father, and you know that he is just messing with her. Think about it.

With best wishes,
Rostick.

[tim360z]

... in response to Re: AM/WM can be scamers also, posted by Rostick on Oct 2, 2001

Hi Rostick,

    I think you raised a very valid point.  I have a feeling that if the FSU economy was on par with say,  Finland there would be far far less girls having any interest in marrying an Americanitz or Western European man.  Probably then the only internet profiles would only be of scammers.  I think its really unfair of some guy to go over there and dangle love and marriage to a girl...when he is only intending sex.  And going back home.

   I know that some guys go on the tours,  for a sex tour.  Thats the mission.  I think that actually the way alot of those tours are marketed that they lean on the sex angle to fill the seats up.  Its biz.  I mean if they were marketing,  " come and share our culture"...the seats would be empty.  Sex sells.  Check out the hits on porno sites.  I do think that alot of the jerks and creeps who have gone there for sex....ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE CREATED MANY SCAMMERS.  

   In the process they left casualties.  Probably they should have just gone to see the prostitutes.  At home.  I think it all comes down to character and there have surely been Western men who have been Jerks over there.  And we reap what they have sown.  Best,  Tim

[Del]

... in response to Re: AM/WM can be scamers also, posted by Rostick on Oct 2, 2001

and I thank you for it. You're correct when you state that often it seems (or appears) that the feelings and emotions of the lady is not sufficiently taken into consideration.

[BubbaGump]

... in response to Re: AM/WM can be scamers also, posted by Rostick on Oct 2, 2001

One of my friends was telling me that he has another friend that has been to Russia and the Ukraine several times doing exactly what you said.  I don't know of many men admitting to doing this.  I asked my friend if the guy was good looking and he said the guy is 47 and not good looking at all.  

I believe the girls all thought he had serious intentions. I consider that unacceptable behavior, but certainly a lot of men think for $5000 they are getting their moneys worth.  

If I have sex with any of these girls, it's serious.  I don't want to bring anything home with me an antibiotic won't fix.  

[jj]

... in response to Re: AM/WM can be scamers also, posted by Rostick on Oct 2, 2001

Good advice Rostick.

One option could be RW/UW sends information/complaint to the INS/Emnassy.  But then this is messy.

Basicaly I do not think that once a person extends an invitation and offer of marrige they should not be playing the field.  What does this say about the sincerity and integity of this person?  If they cheat in this manner who is to say they are not lying about AIDS and the like.

I guess it goes both ways if a women says yes... is wined and dinned and then pulls out after you make on offer.

Maybe its just the old saying "All is fair in love and war" Is there simmilar saying on Russia/Ukraine

[Harry88]

... in response to AM/WM can be scamers also, posted by jj on Oct 2, 2001

As JimS points out, you are, technically, not talking about scammers. (Dictionary dot com: A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.)
Such is very unlikely coming from WM.

I think you mean a blacklist to name dishonest man who spoil it for us. However, few girls will search for it or look for it. Moreover, I think (others may disagree) that such is not as large a problem as scamming.
Or if it is, I think it will be much more difficult to point out.

Harald

[JimS]

... in response to AM/WM can be scamers also, posted by jj on Oct 2, 2001

The Ukrainian scammers are organised with single people having many identities online, the purpose of which is to get money from guys overseas.

What you describe is a guy still playing the field, this isn't the same as attempted financial fraud.

[jj]

... in response to Re: Its the organisation of the scamming..., posted by JimS on Oct 2, 2001

Sorry maybe I have different value system.

I agree with Rostick.  I think if you are serious in offering marriage and your offer has been accepted then you should not be playing the field.  In theory you are engaged.

What does this say for the sincerity of this person and the flagant breach of the immigartaion laws.  In the mean time the RW/UW is heading for a fall.

Then there is the question of AIDS and the like...