Stupid Arrogant Neighbors

[Ray]

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Mexico demands U.S. allow more immigration

By Mark Stevenson, Associated Press Writer | January 10, 2006

MEXICO CITY --Diplomats from Mexico and Central America on Monday demanded guest worker programs and the legalization of undocumented migrants in the United States, while criticizing a U.S. proposal for tougher border enforcement.

Meeting in Mexico's capital, the regional officials pledged to do more to fight migrant trafficking, but indirectly condemned a U.S. bill that would make illegal entry a felony and extend border walls.

"Migrants, regardless of their migratory status, should not be treated like criminals," they said.

The countries represented at the meeting -- including Mexico, Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Belize and Panama -- created a working group to design a regional policy to avoid migrant abuse and to follow the course of the legislation.

"There has to be an integrated reform that includes a temporary worker program, but also the regularization of those people who are already living in receptor countries," Mexican Foreign Relations Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said.

Derbez has called the measure -- which passed the U.S. House of Representatives last month but still must go before the Senate -- "stupid and underhanded," but was somewhat more restrained on Monday, saying "it's not the Mexican government's position to tell the U.S. Senate what to do."

The U.S. proposal has caused widespread resentment in Mexico, where some have accused President Vicente Fox's administration of not being assertive enough in opposing it. Fox has called the bill shameful.

Mexicans working in the United States are a huge source of revenue for Mexico, sending home more than $16 billion in remittances in 2004, Mexico's second largest source of foreign currency after oil exports according to the country's central bank.

Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar, defended the administration's record on Monday, telling reporters that migration has declined in recent years, though official figures show it remains at historically high levels.

Aguilar also said migrants "don't emigrate because they lack work, but rather for a series of other reasons, cultural reasons or better living conditions."
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[WS244]

... in response to Stupid Arrogant Neighbors, posted by Ray on Jan 11, 2006

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Well they are only preaching and reinforcing what our own President was preaching today in his town hall meeting.  He equated illegals to prohibition which he says was a failure, so his proposal is to have guest worker programs and a roadmap to citizenship.  The older people remember Reagan did this same thing, which in the end was a complete failure. Glad to hear our President equates a bottle of tequila to an illegal.

Anyone who has worked in the middle east, aside from their other problems, knows they have guest workers programs that work.  The guest worker never gets citizenship, he is deported after his contract is finished to his home country, and nor is his family allowed to be with him.

This is not the Mexicans fault, Honduras fault, etc etc, but our own fault starting with the President, Republicans and Democrats straight across the board.  This issue is kind of like ones own kid breaking your favorite window, and when confronted having the kid saying "it was the neighbors fault".

[Heat]

... in response to Stupid Arrogant Neighbors, posted by Ray on Jan 11, 2006

politicians need to put together a real guest work program coupled with real border enforcement.

Maybe I am to the Left of you of this.

[Ray]

... in response to Re: Stupid Arrogant politicians, posted by Heat on Jan 11, 2006

Somebody has to stop this madness!

At least some of the politicians are finally growing the balls to do something to stop the invasion at the borders. What do they get in return? They are called racists by the bozos on the left and insulted by our neighbors to the South.

America needs to tell Vicente Fox to stick it where the sun don't shine. The Mexican government is THE biggest problem in the illegal immigration mess that we have now. Instead of waiting a hundred years for Mexico to do something, we need to do what needs to done from our end NOW.

I have no problem with a meaningful, controlled guest worker program, but it makes no sense to start one until the borders are controlled first. Remember, we are at war and the enemy wants in also.

When the invasion at our borders is stopped and illegals are beginning to be ejected, then we can implement a guest worker program and Mexico should have low priority behind other countries. Any rewards given to the illegals that are here now will just encourage even more to sneak in. We tried all that amnesty nonsense before and things just got worse.

Ray

[Heat]

... in response to Re: Re: Stupid Arrogant Fox, posted by Ray on Jan 11, 2006

AMERICA IS SHIFTING LEFTWARD   E-mail this column to a friend!

 

By DICK MORRIS

January 11, 2006 -- It is always dangerous to generalize about ideological trends among the American electorate, since it will always lean right on certain issues (like defense, terrorism and taxes) and hew to the left on others (like healthcare, education, poverty and the environment). But the data are becoming overwhelming that the nation is moving left and is likely to stay that way through at least the 2006 election — and, if President Bush doesn’t adjust, for a lot longer.

The evidence is clear: The generic party ballot for Congress, for example, has now swollen to a 13-point Democratic edge while Bush’s job approval hangs in the 40s and his advisers are relieved that it is no longer a lot lower.

Why the leftward move?

A big part of the reason is the success the Bush administration has had in solving and hence diminishing the importance of the Republican agenda. Taxes have been cut, we have not had a terror attack since Sept. 11 and trial lawyers are on the defensive. The issues that remain — energy, environment, healthcare and Social Security — usually are Democratic and liberal.

The drip-drip-drip of Iraqi casualties isn’t helping Bush any, and Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) has done more to hurt the GOP than any Democrat has, but the fundamental reason for the liberal drift is the salience of issues normally identified with the left. To reverse the situation, therefore, Bush has three options:

(A) Fight the Democrats on issues that are already in play but have a Republican skew.

(B) Raise new issues that have a built-in skew right and a Republican orientation.

(C) Recast Republican positions on Democratic issues that are already in play to make them work for the GOP.

The Democrats are helping Bush mightily by their vitriolic response to reports of National Security Agency wiretapping and their opposition to the Patriot Act renewal. Since we have not had a terror attack in four and a half years, the homeland-security issue, the mother of all Republican issues, would seem likely to fade into the background. But by beating Bush over the head for his efforts to keep America safe, the liberals are helping Bush, raising the salience of one of his core issues. In his State of the Union speech, Bush should spend considerable time taking them to task on these grounds, since it will help him enormously.

Two new solid Republican issues are begging for attention from the White House: immigration and drugs.

The administration’s guest-worker program is a good step in the right direction to appease Hispanic voters, but it must be accompanied by some red meat for the base — the border fence passed by the House. The fence without guest-worker rights will alienate the fastest growing bloc of voters, the Latinos. The guest workers without the fence will do nothing to move voters toward the GOP.

As the victory of Eva Morales in Bolivia makes clear, cocaine is concomitant of oil in fueling terrorism in the Western Hemisphere. The narcoterrorists use our dependence on black oil and white cocaine to power their anti-American work and terrorist activities. Soon their terror will spread to our shores. Already the cocaine infects our young.

Bush should urge drug testing, with parental consent, in schools in his State of the Union address and put drugs back in play as a domestic issue. Crime is down, but drug use is still a vital Republican issue. Put it back on the agenda.

Finally, the Republican Party had better consign itself to defeat in the next two elections unless it does more to elaborate an energy/environmental policy. It must go beyond nuclear power and Alaska drilling in policies to achieve more energy independence.

Terrorism and pump prices have made this issue the dominant one in our political matrix. Bush needs to make hydrogen and hybrid cars a key part of his program and needs to challenge America to switch and end our dependence on imported oil.

On the environment, Americans have already decided that global warming is causing weather aberrations like the hurricane activity this summer. The administration can no longer keep its head in the sand on this issue. More than any other subject, this area of Bush blindness is making America Democratic.

Bush has to decide if he is willing to preside over the diminution of the Republican Party so that the nation embraces Democrats for the ensuing eight years, just as his father did. Those are the stakes.

 

[Heat]

... in response to Re: Re: Stupid Arrogant Fox, posted by Ray on Jan 11, 2006

Any rewards given to the illegals that are here now will just encourage even more to sneak in. We tried all that amnesty nonsense before and things just got worse.[[

Howard Dean would love the republicans to torpedo a guest works program.

While you are right in principal your position would doom the Republicans to being painted against Latinos.

Thus forever pushing them into the camp on the bastards who let this happen.

That house has Left the barn and we better realize it.

[doombug]

... in response to illegal aliens, posted by Heat on Jan 11, 2006

"Any rewards given to the illegals that are here now will just encourage even more to sneak in. We tried all that amnesty nonsense before and things just got worse."

Or, at the least, levels of illegal immigration will simply return to where they were prior to amnesty:

"Amnesty Programs Have No Impact on Illegal Immigration, Study Says"

8/21/2003

"The 1986 passage of the Immigration Reform and Control Act -- which granted amnesty to 2.7 million undocumented immigrants while simultaneously tightening border controls and increasing penalties for employers who hire illegal workers -- did not change long-term patterns of undocumented migration to the United States, according to a study published in the August issue of the journal Demography.

"Economists Pia Orrenius and Madeline Zavodny found that apprehensions of persons attempting to cross the U.S.-Mexico border illegally declined immediately following passage of the law but returned to normal levels during the period when undocumented immigrants could file for amnesty and the years after.

"They based their analysis on U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) data on apprehensions between 1969 and 1996. To examine the impact of the amnesty program on illegal border crossings, their calculations take into account changes in border patrol enforcement hours, seasonal variation in migration, wage differences between the U.S. and Mexico as well as trends in the number of visas granted."

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=19867

[Beattledog]

... in response to Re: illegal aliens, posted by doombug on Jan 11, 2006

I agree with you totallys

Beattleodg

[Ray]

... in response to illegal aliens, posted by Heat on Jan 11, 2006

Heat,

If some Latino-Americans care more about their ILLEGAL former countrymen than they do about America, then screw them! I say let the Democrats have their votes and just do what is right.

You may be surprised at how many Latinos here do support controls on illegal immigration. The ones doing all of the whining and protesting are the far-left racists of the "Latino community".

Ray

[Heat]

... in response to Who cares?, posted by Ray on Jan 11, 2006

I care Ray. What you propose is political suicide.
And thankfully it will never happen.

You would hand this country to the likes of Howard Dean.

[Ray]

... in response to Re: Who cares?.I do., posted by Heat on Jan 11, 2006

Would you rather kiss the asses of the likes of MEChA, La Raza, and the Brown Berets? Not me buddy!

The leftist Chicano revolutionaries who are opposed to ANY controls on our border will NEVER, repeat NEVER vote for a Republican anyway, so why should you care what they think? They and their sympathizers will always support psycho leftists like Dean regardless of what you or I say. So I say screw the whole lot of them! I have enough faith in the American voters not to fall for that leftist baloney (I think…LOL).

I respect your opinion Heat, but I think you’re wrong on this. I can’t believe you don’t have the balls to stand up to the leftist Chicanos because they might support an idiot candidate like Howard Dean and his ilk in the elections. Frankly, losing an election is less disastrous than selling out your values IMHO. I wish you would rethink your position on this one :-)

Ray

[Brazilophile]

... in response to Re: Re: Stupid Arrogant Fox, posted by Ray on Jan 11, 2006

Instead of whining about the poor performance of the politicians YOU put into office, why don't you put your money where your mouths are?

STOP buying homes built by illegal Mexicans (and other nationalities)!

STOP shopping at Walmart, and other large store, which use illegal Mexicans to clean the stores!

STOP hiring illegal Mexicans as domestics and babysitters!

STOP hiring illegal Mexicans to mow your lawn and do other gardening!

STOP buying agricultural products that were harvested by illegal Mexicans!

START paying HIGHER prices for those goods that were made by AMERICANS or LEGAL Immigrants, and SMILE as you do it!!!!!

Next, you are going to whine about China!

And, of course, little of this is ON TOPIC.

[Ray]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Stupid Arrogant Fox, posted by Brazilophile on Jan 11, 2006

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Again, you show your ignorance in the first sentence of your post.

My representatives here in California are a bunch of leftist whining Democrats and I can assure you that I did not have anything whatsoever to do with putting those bozos in office (LOL!)

And please, one question mark at the end of your sentences will suffice. You really need to watch that hypertension. I give you 120 points on your systolic for each question mark :-)

Ray

[Ray]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Stupid Arrogant Fox, posted by Brazilophile on Jan 11, 2006

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With most of your points except for the first sentence and the part about China and Walmart.

What does China have to do with the Mexican government?

Why do you REALLY hate Walmart? Are you an anti-capitalist?

Ray

[Beattledog]

... in response to Re: Re: Stupid Arrogant Fox, posted by Ray on Jan 11, 2006

There should be no  guest work program until all Americans are employed.  The employers say that they cannot find workers.  If they will play the correct wage, the empolyees will be find.  Anyone caught entering this country illegally, should have a chip implanted  in them.  When  they try to enter this country again, they will be easy to find. A reasonable solution, in my thinking, to a huge problem.  Illegal immigration must me stoped

Beattledog