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Author Topic: A B C's of selling contact info on internet  (Read 4256 times)
teoblas
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« on: November 16, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

I originally drafted this as a response to New Agency Founded post from Gorm...  IMHO I concluded the below info was better shared in a new thread...

I am a 40 year old, average looking and fit, economically stable but not rich, divorced guy with kids looking for an attractive younger latin woman so up to this point I think I fall right in the middle of the range of a typical guy out there.  I worked as a translator/friend with a dozen or so angecies in Cali during my first year living here in Cali so I think I know how these things work.  My spanish is good, not fluent, but conversational, so I do not have a problem with communication.  There are tons of internet sites that allow guys and girls to hook up over the internet for a range of costs.  Generally (if I understand correctly) Agencies like yours (Gorm) that are in physical contact with the women and can arrange a physical date have up to 1000 women and charge $15 to $25 a pop to sell ONE girls contact info.  Other businesses that are dedicated solely to internet hookups have 10,000 or 100,000 women (about 1/3 to 1/2 of the women have photos) and charge about the same price per month of service with UNLIMITED contacts available during that period.

I joind an online latin single site for less than $20 and sent out messages to almost 200 women.  Only 35% responded and most of these responses were half assed.  Only about 15% responded to me more than once.  Many lie about their ages or other stuff or post/send photos that are up to 10 years old (or were taken 10 or 20 kilos ago).  I am currently in regular contact with less than 10%/less than 20 and although I am willing to offer and maintain a friendship with any attractive woman that recpricates and is willing to do her part to maintain the friendship, (of the original 200) only about 3 or 4 have the proper profile and are maintaining the proper interactions to be a real candidate for a sentimental relationship.....  So what am I describing and my experiences are the same attraction, approach, and getting to know phases that happen in the physical world as they happen in Cyberspace...

My bet is that anyone anywhere using any service will have more or less the same response rate and results (possibly have more candidates if they are not very selective or ignore the red flags)..... So, if you are charging $35 per address it could cost a guy $7,000 to get the same results that I got for $20.  Probabally your service (Agency) is twice as good as an solely Internet site, so results with your site might be twice as good....and will only cost $3,500 to get the same results I got for $20.  I know this and many guys that invest a little or a lot of time or money to figure this stuff out know this, but there are a lot of new or stupid guys out there that do not know this and might fall in love with the foto of one or two girls and shell out enough to buy a few addresses.....  

I have been told by people in the business that your few outstanding photogenic girls will generate 90% the revenue......  So most/all the guys are spending (wasting) their time writing to the top 3% of hot model type women who get soooooo much physical attention they hardly have a need or the time to wade through the hundreds of e-mails they receive.  If, with so much attention, they are looking at their e-mail then they are motivated by either looking for the most attractive guy from a non latin culture or are looking for a future in another country.  I have personally met and spoken to dozens of these beautiful women regarding their experiences.  Of the hundreds of e-mails they receive they may respond (most likely in a half assed manner) to those that 1) send a photo 2) are physically attracted to the guy or the wealth displayed in the photo 3) the photo includes you with your niece(s) or a dog 4) you write to them in their language and they are impressed with something in your profile or letter or 5) you tell them XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXX XXXXXX XXXXX. (Last entry x'ed out - you will or should include it only if it is true.)  

THAT IS HOW THIS BUSINESS WORKS.  Is anything I described above (including the agencies and the girls and the getting to know process) "bad"? - no.  Do we need more legislation to fix anything? - no.  Will legislation change these (or other male-female) dynamics? - no.  Will legislation deter internet international hookups? - no.  Do I or anybody else (with the exception of the owners of a US based Introduction Agency) need to take action or get upset about pending legislation? - no.

If anyone has had significantly different experiences or different results I would be interested to hear about it...

Teo Blas
www.teoblas.com

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Gorm
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to A B C's of selling contact info on inter..., posted by teoblas on Nov 16, 2005

Hi Teoblas,

...We changed our pricing, now its 15€ per contact, and I pay for the postage, the photo printing, the delivery...

... and on our Agency you can register for a low €15, and let the ladies choose you!

In all, great comments. I think you are right on, that most guys out there write 1.000 of e-mails and letters to the top models displayed on the various internet agencies, and get a low quality response with no love in the air, a lot of barking and hardly any biting ;-)

Teoblas, even though you speak spanish, you don't sound very satisfied with your experience so far. Instead of sending out 5.000 e-mails and letters, what is the experience that a man really is looking for?

Would it be better to pay a flat rate and let an agency hand pick 20 prospects, and then arrange a trip of meetings?

Any suggestions?

Gorm

p.s. we don`t sell addresses. We believe addresses can easily be abused. Please correct me if I`m wrong.

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teoblas
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: A B C's of selling contact info on i..., posted by Gorm on Nov 16, 2005

The girls say that they are interested in meeting guys from another culture, but they do not take enough initiative.  You would think the girls would take the initiate and meet a guy half way but the majority don't.  Even if they "choose you" it will interesting to see if they maintan their half of a budding relationship.

For example this morning I got an e-mail from a girl who lives 30 minutes away from me in Cali and to whom I had last sent an e-mail on 27 Oct, over two weeks ago.  She finally responded this morning with an e-mail that failed to address anything I said in my last e-mail to her and by saying "what happened to you, how come you don't write or call?"  I let her have it and reminded her that after more than two weeks her only response was to tell me that I don't pay her enough attention - i.e. entertain me....  She can take her crappy attitude and her twisted plea for attention and throw it in the same virtual toilet where I tossed her e-mail address and phone number.  She is part of the 90% I weed out.  I will focus my resources on women that are interested in me (a guy with my profile) and don't have mental problems, emotional disorders or other significant issues.....  It is the same with my male frienships, I know hundreds or thousands of guys but I only maintain a close ongoing friendship type relationships with a handfull of male friends with whom I click....  

Any guy can make a relationship work for a time if he really wants it, but if the other person is not truly compatible the relationship will take an ever increasing toll over time.  I speak from experience, I married my first girlfriend at a young age and after 7 pleasant years and 5 unpleasant years it mercifully ended.  She is a nice person, very attractive, we had common interests, there was chemistry, but we were NOT compatible.  Now, older and wiser, I have choosen to go beyond just the attraction and common interests phases... but the majority of single guys that I meet in latin america are making the same mistake I made 20 years ago.  How many guys are visiting a foreign country where they don't speak the language or understand the culture and after a week and after meeting 2 dozen girls they settle for a pretty face, bumps in all the right places and nice company....  Any girl, even bad girls, can put on a good show for a week....  So IMHO most of the guys that fall into the profile I described above are entering into disapointing relationships and are just as out of touch as most of the ladies.

I am not dissatisfied, I just report stuff the way I see it.  For example, with an internet connection and for less than $20, the price of two drinks in a singels bar in the good old USA, I am in contact with a handful (about 5 weeded down from 200) of really, really good candidates for a serioius partner.  As an added bonus I have made about 2 dozen amistades....  Your chances ARE better for hooking up in Latin America....  However the streets in Latin America are not lined with golden eager p*ssy like most agencies like to portray and only about 5% or 10% of the agencies avoid all types of unethical behavior.... hopefully your agency will be in that 10%.

I have never met Jamie of International Introductions in Baranquilla but from what I have observed he has most if not all angles of the agency business figured out pretty well.  You might be able to pick up some concepts from his web page http://www.latin-wife.com/ , by doing a search on his posts here on Planet-Love, by contacting him, or even visiting his agency and paying his fee.  Even though he or some other agency might run a tight ship, the girls in his city, in your city, in my city fall basically into the same or similar statistical patterns.  And it IS a numbers game........

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